Tini

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  1. You are wrong. Robb *was* the king - not for us, not for North or South, but for his followers. For those Northmen who swore allegiance to him as their King in the North. As far as these people are concerned, Robb was king. Therefore, in their eyes, Robb did have the right to change someone's bastard status. This is evidenced by Catelyn Stark's dismay when Robb told her of his intention to legitimize Jon and get him out of the Night's Watch. Robb is dead, his war ended. But many of his followers are still alive. The question is what they'll choose to do, and what Jon chooses to do. Jon intended to march south when Bowen Marsh stabbed him. Let's assume that he recovers, and will eventually march on Winterfell, ousting the Boltons (if Stannis does not beat him to it). Most people in the North have no idea that Rickon and Brandon Stark are still alive. They hate the the incumbent on the Iron Throne, and the idea of being ruled by the Boltons. If they hear that Robb Stark's heir Jon is marching to take back the North ... they might very well decide to join him. King Stannis (who is as much king as Robb was) offered Jon legitimization, and Winterfell. Jon refused him. He might not refuse Robb, and them. The question, then, is how Westerosi nobility would deal with it. Stannis won't be happy but he might accept it if Jon bends the knee. He needs all allies he can get. He needs strong allies. A legitimization by Robb Stark will carry more weight in the North than one by him. It might even prevent unrest among Northern Lords when Rickon Stark eventually returns. Robb wanted to name Jon his heir to disinherit Sansa, but he also intended to make sure that no child (not even his own) would ever become King in the North - because the North needs a strong, grown-up ruler. The Lannisters and Tyrells will not accept Jon as King in the North, nor as Lord of Winterfell. But they are increasingly under pressure from Jon Connington and Aegon Targaryen (real or not doesn't matter, Aegon just needs to keep winning). Neither Aegon nor Daenerys will support Stannis' claim to the Iron Throne. But they have no particular axe to grind with Jon as heir to House Stark. Both might try to win Jon over to their side - and that would lend Jon additional legitimacy. Other Houses will pick their sides in this Game of Thrones, and accept or reject Jon's claims accordingly. If, at some later date, the world finds out that Jon is Rhaegar's son, or some such, some of these alliances might dramatically shift or even break. But by then, it will be too late. Once given, the legitimation cannot be taken back. Jon would probably take the opportunity to name Rickon heir to Winterfell, and restore succession to Ned Stark's sons. At that time, he might finally even be powerful enough to make a bid for the Iron Throne. Even though he is not in the Baratheon line of succession. I don't think any Baratheons will be left by that time.
  2. Maybe the lemon tree was an apology, and nothing more. Was there anyone really that interested in their well-being after Willem Darry died? Not Illyrio, or Varys. I think those two only developed an interest in them when Daenerys got old enough to have children. They intervened to make sure that Viserys didn't marry his sister - the only high-ranking female down-on-his-luck Viserys Targaryen could hope to marry. Dany's children by Viserys might've posed a danger to Aegon, so Illyrio devised a plan to prevent this. Doran Martell had developed second thoughts regarding the deal he'd struck with Willem Darry. He wanted his daughter to become queen, but not risk Dorne becoming Viserys first, and possibly only, supporter. He never abandoned the plan entirely, as is evidenced by the fact that he never contracted another marriage for Arianne. But neither did he move the plan forward by letting Arianne know of the betrothal. When Viserys died, Doran still didn't arrange a marriage for her. He seems out of touch with the flow of time - so possibly he pondered helping Viserys and Daenerys after Ser Willem's death, and just didn't get around to it before Viserys died. The rest of Westeros had mostly forgotten them. As long as they remained in Essos, without any (Westerosi) political backers, they weren't of interest. So, who are "they"? Robert could be talked out of hiring knives. Cersei or Tywin, however, might not have been so easy to dissuade. It didn't require hired knives to make Viserys seek Illyrio's protection. That just required Illyrio's vast wealth, and a promise to support Viserys' cause. And a certain willingness to put up with Viserys' temper.
  3. I think Jaime would be extremely surprised if Tommen started acting like Joffrey. He knew both of them. His instruction was meant for the members of the King's Guard, and only for them. He changed their orders - not so much in his capacity as commander of the King's Guard, but in the role that Tywin intended for him. Tywin wanted him to become a subsitute father for Tommen. Jaime refused that, as he refused his position as Tywin's heir. But now that Tywin is dead, Jaime has started filling his father's place. Not at court. In the country. His actions at Riverrun show that he is capable of the same sort of actions Tywin was capable of - and renowned for. Tywin's actions were not the actions of a nice man. Allies and adversaries respected him nevertheless. And now, after the way Jaime ended the siege at Riverrun, they start respecting the Kingslayer as they respected his father. "The power lies where people think it does" is absolutely correct.
  4. "Merely" ? Actually I think that this is quite enough: it is derailing Connington's plans. It's derailing Varys' plans. It will derail Aegon, in the end. The Aegon plan has been in the making for more than a decade, and Connington was, and is, central to it. And I think his intended role is far from finished. Despite Connington's best efforts, most of Aegon's knowledge is theoretical in nature. Connington has the practical expertise - and personal connections to Westerosi nobles. He was part of Aerys' court, and, for a short time, King's Hand. He knew (and loved) both Rhaegar and baby Aegon - which means that Westerosi may be inclined to believe him when he presents Aegon as heir to House Targaryen and the Iron Throne. Without the disease, he would've remained at court as Aegon's advisor, even as King's Hand, bridging the continuity gap created by the Baratheon interregnum. He would've been there while Aegon learned how to govern a country which is much more difficult than actually conquering it (as Daenerys is learning). Due to the disease, he will not be able to do so. A greyscale infected advisor would not reflect well on the new king. Worse, a greyscale infected advisor might infect the king.
  5. For his father - a father whom he loved. It could still be the betrayal for love, then.
  6. We may find out that Maggy's prophecy is linked to a different, older prophesy which was made originally in the Valyrian language. Or Maggy may have had a habit of slipping Valyrian words into her prophesies to make them sound more impressive. And then Maggy wasn't born in Westeros. She came from the East, so she probably learned the Westerosi language as a foreign language. If her native language descended from High Valyrian, valonqar might just be a word from her native tongue that slipped into her prophesy.
  7. Brienne swore several oaths - including bringing Arya and Sansa to Catelyn. She may have to choose which one matters to her most. Most likely she will not even get to choose. We know what oathbreaker Jaime chose. It'll be interestng to see her choose - and how she'll be able to live with herself afterwards. If she lives. Jaime and Brienne might have some interesting conversations if both survive the cliffhanger. I don't think Arya will be involved in resolving the cliffhanger: I don't think the timing quite works. As for Stoneheart's final death, I think it will mirror Dondarrion's to some extent - like him, she'll realize what she lost, and give up her existence. I think that will require meeting some of her surviving children, and seeing their horror at what she has done/become. Arya may very well be the one to find her. After all, there would be no reason for Arya not to accept a contract on Stoneheart - she doesn't know who Stoneheart is. If they recognize each other, the shock might even be mutual - Catelyn Stark would be horrified that her daughter joined the Faceless Men. Maybe that will make Arya reevaluate her choices. But then, there isn't much left of Catelyn Stark. I wonder if Stoneheart would try to use Arya's abilities / hire her own FM daughter.
  8. Stoneheart may still be holding Ser Hyle and/or Podrick Payne hostage. I think Brienne would gladly trade Arya and Sansa for those two. Jaime and Brienne might reason that Stoneheart will, at least, not kill her daughters. But neither has any idea where to find either girl. I don't know where, or how, but I think Stoneheart is going to meet her children - all of her surviving children - before she passes on. But that time has not yet come. I think the current arc's resolution will depend on Jaime's secret sword training, and on Ser Ilyn Payne.
  9. Why must it refer to her own brothers? Maggy the Frog doesn't say "your valonqar will kill you". She says "the valonqar will kill you". Right after she says "when your tears have drowned you....". As I see it, this leaves room for interpretation. And Maggy doesn't speak of a valonqar, either. She speaks of the valonqar. Cersei has two younger brothers, but for Maggy there is only one. So either the valonqar is uniquely determined by his action. Or there will be only one younger brother left by the time the prophesy comes true. Something that obviously never occurred to Cersei - if she kills one of her brothers, the other one will be the only valonqar she has left. Aeron is already Euron's only surviving brother. Tommen is Joffrey's and Myrcella's only younger brother. And Arya - could assume the shape of the younger brother, whoever he is.
  10. I think the fact that her height isn't mentioned means that Jaime and Cersei are of the same height. It is mentioned that they were very much alike, especially when they were younger. Sometimes she would even wear his clothes, and pretend to be him. The point would be that Cersei would not expect it. She may realize someday that Jaime fits the description of valonqar as well as Tyrion does. She'd never expect that the valonqar might not be related to her at all - it would be the ultimate proof that she's not the center of the universe. Of course, if Cersei marries Euron, Aeron and Cersei would be connected, would become brother and sister. Aeron knows what Euron has done, what Euron can and will do. I think he might kill Cersei out of mercy. There were eery vibes of compassion emanating from him in his sample chapter when he dealt with his brother's stupid lover, Falia. He might also do it to cheat Euron out of another royal sacrifice. That said, I don't see why Euron would want to marry Cersei. (I am not sure that the woman in the vision is actually tall - the shadow in woman's form is long and tall. And try as I might - I don't see Cersei's shadow as long and tall. Hers is rather short.) So I am back to Jaime, and Tyrion. To little Tommen. And, assuming valonqar is gender neutral, Arya - who is still holding on to her grudge against Cersei.
  11. As Renly is dead, Renly isn't anyone's heir. Being female is no impediment for inheriting the throne if the male line is extinct. Daenerys considers herself the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. Barristan Selmy and Doran Martell were/are willing to acknowledge her claims. People who no longer acknowledge the Targaryen claims might recognize Shireen's claims - at least if they believe that Tommen and Myrcella aren't Baratheons. Or if anything happens to Tommen and Myrcella. What Shireen is lacking is the same thing Stannis is lacking: a strong army, and solid backing among the noble houses of Westeros. But even if she never wins the Iron Throne, she is still Stannis' heir.
  12. Doran told Arianne that she would've been more than Viserys' queen consort - she was to be his equal on the Iron Throne. Yet he didn't teach her to rule. That is more than an error on his part. It's stupid, really, really stupid. And if he didn't trust her to keep secrets, he should've at least tried to teach her. But he didn't. As you said: he didn't prepare her for her role as Princess of Dorne, he didn't prepare her for anything else. In that respect Doran is worse than Tywin Lannister - Tywin didn't teach Cersei anything, either. But at least Tywin told his daughter that he expected her to become queen of Westeros. It seems Doran lost track of time, lost track of his plans as well. And while he made plans, he never followed through on them. He excpected others to do that for him, and had the gall to blame them if they didn't work as expected.
  13. We don't really know much about the FM recruitment strategies, do we? They don't advertise them. They just offer death. But that offer must be balanced - balanced by something their customer holds dear. We know how one other person joined the FM: The Waif joined them after she got poisoned by her stepmother. She was part of the price the FM extracted when her father asked them to kill his wife for the attempted murder. While it is possible that the FM just happened to need a recruit, and realized the Waif was dear to her father, there might be a different reason for asking for her: She had been marked by their God. She survived a deadly poison when she should've died. Taking her in (and killing her stepmother) restored the balance. Jaqen stayed with Arya because Arya saved his life as well as those of two others - lives which belonged to the god of death. In exchange for their lives, he offered to kill 3 people of Arya's choosing - as 3 deaths were owed for the deaths she stole from his god. Three deaths, to restore balance. Arya had him kill 2 (and not even from her personal kill list), then blackmailed him into helping him free the Northmen at Harrenhal by threatening to name Jaqen as her third choice. Four guards died as a result of her blackmail, and the weasel soup. Their deaths freed Jaqen of his service - but the balance was off again. Something Arya was not concerned with - but a FM would be. Offering Arya a place among the FM could be considered their way of restoring balance. P.S. Arya hired a Faceless Men for killing 3 people for the price of saving him and 3 others from death. She got quite a bargain. Cersei and other potential customers would've been impressed. (Less impressed with her choice of targets, though.)
  14. There may be many fierce children, but how many ask the Faceless Men to train them? Arya asked to be trained. Arya learned what a Faceless Man can do, and her reaction is that she wants to learn their art. Without giving any thoughts to possible benefits. I think that is the main reason Jaqen gave her the coin - her ticket to the Faceless Men. A coin that later told the Braavosi sailors that she was a Faceless Man, and made them help her reach Braavos. A coin that, still later, told the Faceless Men that she was either stupid or an asset. Jaqen already knew what Arya could do. And, after the above exchange, he knew that she was dutiful, too - and Faceless Men training emphasizes duty. Arya wanted to learn but had to go home. He didn't argue that. He just offered her the opportunity to learn after she had fulfilled her duty. If she still wanted to - and if she managed to find her way to the Temple (which I consider a test of Arya's abilities).
  15. I think they are the same person, too. It would be lazy storytelling otherwise - unless GRRM comes up with a very good reason for different operatives using the same face.