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  1. Why I really hope Tyrion isn't Aerys' son

    Or both? LOL! I'm waiting........this forum is a bit special here.
  2. Could it be that you don't like Tyrion? You seem a little biased here.
  3. What are you saying? A rape isn't a rape if the rapist believes it isn't rape???
  4. I did not see it as anyhow sexy or romantic in the books either, I found it hugely disturbing, but it was not meant by Martin to be so very disturbing. The way the helpless girl gets aroused by the big male beast when the author should have written about fear, pain and disgust from the abused child. This is what annoys me in Martin's writing here. But let's leave the topic, I don't think we are so far apart from each other here.
  5. Yes, of course the "marital" rape of Dany in the show makes me hugely uncomfortable! But the point is: it is meant to make the watcher uncomfortable, it is brutal, cruel and straightforward rape, not romanticized at all. A clear description of an awful situation. While in the books Martin romanticized the abuse of a very young girl, suggesting that the frightened and shy child would be easily aroused by her abuser, rape turned into vanilla romance ideology. The situation may be glorified and on the surface easier to digest but the ideology behind it is imo gross: She doesn't really dislike it, she'll come around as soon as you do it. An abuser's wet dream. Now I am sure that Martin really, seriously intended to romanticize the situation, it was a different time at the beginning of the nineties and the awareness for the topic of child abuse was much lower. I bet Martin would never have written it that way today and the show corrected an error from Martin's side. I love Martin's books but we can find some misogyny even in the works of the greatest writers. If the show had given the situation the same way Martin did back then there would have been a shitstorm about rape ideology all over the web. And rightfully so. This way the show made a clear statement and preseted a disturbing and ugly act of marital rape as such.
  6. This Tyrion's conflict would have been rather lame in comparison, if Sansa had been a skinny little girl, had not been a child In a woman's body, had not been sexually desirable, had not been the very present memory of Tysha. Actually the wedding night chapter is one of the best in the books imo. Martin grasped the misery of both protagonists in a heartbreaking way: the child who tries to do what that septa and this world taught her as duty, who tries to emulate the proper wife: "she did not know what to do. Should she open her legs for him....." this is so painful, the child brainwashed into female duty, miserable and yet trying to do what is expected of her. As it happens in countless forced and arranged marriages all over our world still today. The man desperate in his longing to repeat the only happy time of his miserable life while already convinced that this can never be. Both characters made naked by the author emotionally and physically, their vulnerability laid bare. That painful chapter, brilliantly written, both characters humiliated, denuded, exposed and dissected by Martin. Great writing.
  7. We will have to to agree to disagree about the first part of your post. It is late here and maybe this is not the place for a qualified and deep debate of gender topics since you and I could easily bring up ten fat sources of scientific and political secondary literature to support our respective approach. Sorry but my work day is over now
  8. I agree with you, this accusation of misogynism is a dead end in every Sansa debate. Accusing people of disliking Sansa because she is "feminine" means playing the game of those who declare certain character traits as inherently feminine. Tell me what is misogynistic here! Men can be just as emphatic, can love beauty - or can be as passive, naive and selfish as women. The so called feminine is a social construct. "People who dislike Sansa have problems with female characters and women in general....." Posters should stop this line of arguing, it's cheap. Of course I pity the abused girl, of course I feel for her, she has many parallels in history and in our world where girls (and boys btw) get sexually abused and forcibly married. Yes I am sorry for her but of course I know this has to happen to her character in order to make Martin's story the story it is. And it is therefore pointless to hope that Sansa of all characters might get away lightly while other young characters get killed, burned, raped, sold into sex slavery etc. Martin will give Sansa's character the plot he needs for his books and her character development will be shaped along with it, making the book outcome possible the author has in mind. Can I pity a character and feel for her or him without liking this fictional character? Of course I can. I may be hugely interested in Sansa's story and she got some of the best chapters in the books, the wedding night with Tyrion and the snow castle chapter. And yet - I am still waiting that Sansa herself (we are talking books not show here) and not the situation and location she is in, might really capture me. This might yet come, I am hopeful, but so far if there is nothing than pity it is death to fascination. Which character we like and dislike actually tells far more about ourselves than about the character concerned. And I freely admit that I do not particularly like the fictional personality of Sansa, for many reasons already discussed in this thread by many posters . And yet I would do everything to protect a real life child in her situation, whether I like this child or not. Quote from Maxxine and I agree "I don't mind that she got rescued or that she actually needed rescuing. It's the attitude that she has of there is nothing I can do to help myself. Either someone going to come save me or I'm screwed. Just like to prototypical damsel in distress story. I understand that GRRM most likely did this on purpose to put in that fantasy trope. I'm just not a fan of it and it's a part of the reason why I'm not a Sansa fan" ....and I am waiting for Martin to make Sansa break the trope.
  9. the Stigmata of Melisandre's murder

    I think Jon's second life is no more than a borrowed one in any case. Anything else would imo be sweet but trivial and sugar coated, sorry and sad to say so. Jon just can't go on as if nothing had happened, happy ending and all. "You have been dead? Don't be such a pussy, take a shower and get on with life!" No, Martin would have far too much respect for the enormity of having been dead, for death as ultimate human mystery in philosophy, mythology and religions. I believe he would not allow a character that was dead to go on as if nothing of significance has happened with him or her. See the changes that happened with Beric and even more so with Lady Stoneheart. If the show went "by the book", then Jon's wounds would stay open like stigmata, he would not age, his hair would not grow and so on. Nothing of all that is a topic in the show but it should be by all story logic. This btw is the reason why Lady Stonheart could not be in the show, too obvious, everyone would have asked the same questions about physical changes in Jon. But all this will, I believe, be a topic for Martin. Resurrected Jon won't be a normal young man with scars over his wounds, who ages and before that has a happy family. So the idea of Jon's life being linked with Melisandre's, as MizasterJ wrote, is clever and very much possible. Sad but one possible story answer to deal with Jon's borrowed life.
  10. @sweetsunray This is true in general what you are writing but Sansa is imo not of that enlightened emphatic resilience but of the self absorbed kind. it does not mean that I am not interested in Sansa's fate, I am, and even more so in her character within a show we are not allowed to name here. But it is a detached interest, not an emotional one like some posters in these forums here have. Or not an emotional interest like I have in e.g. Brienne.
  11. Ok. Maybe Sansa has a certain ability to de-escalate situations if she wishes to do so though she completely failed when Joffrey was bullying Mycah and Arya. And Sansa has another competence: she is resilient. Resilience is mostly interpreted as positive quality but it has a dark side: insensitivity. Resilience is a very particular ability: to deal emotionally with horrible situations without breaking down. This has nothing to do with empathic competence, with sensitivity, maybe right the contrary. It has to do with the ability to deny, to not see, to not realize the horrors that happen around you, to not let them get close to yourself, to shield yourself from others' misery. For example Sansa's approach to the tournament killing or to the disappearance of Jeyne. Yes, Sansa is a survivor because she is able to fabricate and to deny reality. This is good for her and it may carry her to the end of the books since we need the observing character who tells but does not interpret. But it does not make me like her character overly much. To each his or her own.
  12. I do not think that the respective ages of Turner and McCann are the most important argument against any elaborate happy ending the way SanSan fans hope for. I think the character of Sandor has come back for Arya first of all. He will meet her and in the end he will teach her a final lesson: Stop killing! Arya and Sandor have chemistry, a complex and hugely interesting relationship in both books and show, something that is worth a conclusion beyond any "shipping" fandom fun. While the conclusion I see for Sansa and Sandor, if any is needed at all, would most likely be a tragic one: He will die for her or because of her. But Sandor might be the turning point for Arya.
  13. This is very well said. Some fans feel the need to style her favorite Sansa into someone very special. Why? As if it were illegitimate or below standards - or simply boring - to like and to root for a character who is nothing but, well, average. Sansa is like any of us in this strange world, she is our eyes and ears, she sees and remembers a lot without always understanding, her POV's allow us to draw our own conclusions without spoonfeeding us solutions and clever deductions. No, she cannot be the special heroine with superpowers, neither intellectually nor emphatically. Her role in the story is to lead us, clueless newcomers like her, into Martinworld, easy access.
  14. Thrones at the Emmys

    I am definitely happy about it! But Lena Headey should have had her Emmy.