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  1. Possible marriage

    But many people, like me, do not doubt that Sansa and Sandor might meet again and that there might be some interaction of plot importance. Of course they could meet before all is said and done, why not. But I doubt the story will go the way you hope. Actually we all may be wrong with our different little hopes I do not believe that a love story in the traditional happy ending manner will be set up. Sansa and Sandor might even turn out to be on different sides of loyalty or one may die because of the other. Sansa may try to exploit Sandor's emotions and Sandor may refuse, Sandor may be torn between Arya and Sansa etc. If something like SanSan happens, if these two characters meet again in a storyline of their own I expect tragedy, not a final "happy ending" with both of them disappearing into blissful story oblivion. But I think Sandor has returned to be a supporting character to Arya's, not Sansa's story, an interaction that has fascinated me, and I guess many other readers and viewers, much more than his less complex relationship with Sansa.
  2. Possible marriage

    I have no idea about people rooting for Jon and Arya as romance but I think there is a rather small part of book readers who sees a romantic relationship between Sandor and Sansa as possible outcome at the end of he books. And very few readers would perceive this as happy ending. A quite special group of fandom deals with "evidence" here and is determined to find it everywhere.
  3. Lyanna casting appreciation

    Lyanna is not only sixteen years old in the series. As younger teenager she was nearly Ned's age, meaning she can't have been much younger than the young Ned actor. And she would nearly be the age of Sean Bean if she were still alive. Now let's assume that Ned is supposed to be only three or four years older than Cersei and Jaime, they are forty at Blackwater. That would make him forty five as oldest at the beginning of the series, maybe fifty now and Lyanna a little younger if they were alive. Jon is at best twenty five now, nearly twenty at the beginning of the series, so Lyanna would have been twenty five or more at Jon's birth. Does this all fit? Has Lyanna been in her late twenties and behaved like a reckless teenager who can't be bothered with writing home? Certainly not. Meaning calculating the age of characters and evaluating the ages of actors with logic is quite pointless.
  4. Will Jon and Sansa become romantically involved?

    Did this thread get a little off topic ? I am not so sure if Jon -having been dead - will ever have something like a normal future. Should he really shake that off like a bad cold and go on with life as if his own death never had happened ? I believe Martin knows his philosophy and mythology, including different religious interpretations, he would not simply brush over the fact that Jon has been DEAD. And I am not so sure that Sansa will survive the books at all. So maybe Sansa and Jon coming together might be an ephemerical thing. Apart from that, if there should be a marriage between Sansa and Jon romance needs not be a topic at all. It might be a purely political decision, arranged by the two characters concerned because it would be the reasonable thing to do in their eyes. Just like Ned and Cat.
  5. Tyrion's Tragic End

    @Elisabetta Duò "Maybe it's just me tho.. Tyrion is my fave character and maybe I'm making up excuses to 'not believe' he will die (I wouldn't rule out that GRRM killed him for shock factor / achieving that kind of result JKR got killing Snape, but it would make me really sad ...the 'unperfect' one has to die so that the younger and more handsome ones will rule)." No, it's not just you, I feel the same way. The dwarf as character who supports the hero or the heroine instead of being himself the, if only secret, hero in the end .......... No, please no, not again, this has been written a hundred times! @Lost Melnibonean I do not think that Tyrion will be the betrayal for gold. Tyrion is THE character in the books whose biggest "weaknesses" are his emotionality and his seeking for love. So loving, in which way ever, will play a central role for his character's fate. He will be Dany's betrayal for love. There are several possibilities though: - He may have to protect Dany from herself and from the consequences of some terrible decision by acting directly against her orders or by giving informations to the enemy. A scenario where Tyrion loves Dany, either romantically or as brother. - Tyrion may betray Dany in order to protect someone else he loves, Jaime maybe or Sansa. Tysha would be a candidate as well, if there were a possibility that she might ever appear in the story, which for good reasons - avoiding spoilers - I do not believe. Betrayal for gold - I think both Tyrion and Dany will grow beyond wanting most of all what they started out to desire on the surface. Dany the powerless wanted power via the IT and Tyrion the despised wanted dignity and recognition via Casterly Rock and its gold. If these two characters survive at all they might get their superficial wishes granted - only they may have grown beyond craving them by then. .......or Dany will find her house with the red door and Tyrion will write the History of Westeros and Essos in some remote library.
  6. I do not care if Brienne knows that Jaime pushed Bran out of the window. But if this has been told to her as part of a very intimate confession it would be a serious and ugly break of confidence if she told anyone, even Bran himself. The only exception would be if another person is accused of having done the deed and threatened for it while Jaime is not there to put things right. In that case, and only in that case, there would be an excuse for Brienne to break Jaime's confidence.
  7. George R.R. Martin is King in his own Rite.

    This!! I am so glad the books were not squeezed into three movies.
  8. We should stop this now. If you desire to have the last word you can do another spiteful post after me, enjoy. If Martin had written Dany's wedding night the way he did today I would call him insensitive at best or even misogynist. But he did not. I think it is great that the show presented Dany's wedding night as what is was: abuse and rape. If they had done it with the same accent Martin used there would have been a shitstorm in the Web, and rightfully so. But they did not. I am done with that topic and nothing you write can change my opinion. But this exchange is not about convincing me or anyone or defending poor Mr Martin, is it? I do not care about what it is, go on without me. This thread is too interesting to get locked, we will all behave.
  9. @sweetsunray And why is it sooooo unthinkable to you, such a horrible desecration of the Holy Book that Martin might do something differently if he did it again? Hasn't he himself said that Tyrion's tumbling in AGOT wasn't the best idea, that show Osha and show Shae were great? It can in no way be offensive against an artist if I imagine he might do things differently under different circumstances. It's not diminishing Martin's work as a whole, everyone can be criticized. I do not really know what Martin thinks and you do not really know but rethinking one's artistic work is a healthy process. But what I know for sure is that he is in no need of protection against any of my infamous suggestions. Be his white knight if you like but he does not need you against me. I love his books.
  10. @sweetsunray I actually have no idea why you are fighting with me. You try your best to present me als white racist and I am none of those , LOL. Stop it and don't twist my post! I try to give explanations why many high quality writers in a different timesetting have not been free of inconsiderate ideas that are shaped by precisely that timesetting. We all learn and these writers might have done things differently today. Art happens in a social and political context, there is no such thing as standards of "perfect art" in some timeless space, valid for eternity. Every good artist knows that and Martin will as well. I love Martin's works but they are not beyond criticism to me. Nothing is, actually. Should they be in your opinion? Does it mean I do not love ASIOAF enough if there are elements I do not like? The child characters are great but too young imo and Dany's story starts out in a way I do not find believable and I would not find it believable if she were five years older either, full stop. Though I think it believable that later Dany takes charge of her situation with Drogo. Remind me about what we disagree. Because you find Dany's wedding night believable and I don't? Because I think the show did better here? Heresy? So many spiteful words from your side about that one point?? I forgot, this is internet anonymity and I am old fashioned.
  11. Actually I love the show and I enjoy it very much. There are some things I like less, like the twisting of Ellaria, or Tyrion being a little less complex in the show. I miss the mystical magical aspects of his journey. Though that is richly balanced by Dinklage's great acting (Only - how even greater could Dinklage be if Tyrion were as nuanced as in the books... ). I loved the books right from the first page and I will never stop loving them. Of course, as books, they are so much more rich, a rare experience. There are some aspects that annoy me though in the books as well, first of all the cartoonish way to deal with Cersei. No, I cannot say that I love the show more than the books. I love both. At present I soooo much want the next book and I can hardly wait for season 7. Lucky me, actually. Two events to relish.
  12. Ts, I am aware that the nineties were not the dark ages. And yet the political situation has fundamentally changed. There is not only the recent threats to thousands of women by terrorist organizations, there is fortunately a bigger awareness what forced and arranged marriages mean as violence against women. I guess the show knows that and Martin does as well. I am not much younger than Mr Martin and I know myself that even some feminists back then in the nineties belittled some far away violence against women as being part of "cultural diversity", and you know, other cultures have a right to their culture........political correctness misunderstood. But "far away" is not far away any longer and many women and girls concerned are right among us. Martin is a politically aware person, he will know that himself, and know better today like many of us. Martin never writing a rape in a POV would by logic mean that no POV character could ever be raped. Now I do not see why Theon's torture - he is a POV - or Shireen's burning should not be just as gruesome to read as any rape. Do you literally need to be told how fire on skin feels? Martin could for sure imply that rape has happened and write about what that does to a person. We cannot be sure that POV characters are safe from rape, torture, mutilation and horrors like that.
  13. Cersei She is far more complex, more subtle and more relatable than in the books. In short she is far more interesting and Lena Headey has a huge part in it. Tywin His show only scenes with Jaime and Arya were awesome. Charles Dance! Sansa's story I prefer Sansa's show story to her book story - so far since I am quite sure that she will get more into the center of attention in the books as well. I guess she will have some ugly experiences in the books too, Martin won't spare her, no more than any other character. Sansa won't go on organizing parties, her book story will be as interesting and as gruesome as her show story already is. Margaery Natalie Dormer's grown up, clever and sexy Margaery was great. Hardhome and the battle of the bastards. I generally prefer that the young characters are older in the show. I like it that they presented Daenerys' wedding night as what it was: rape. Here Martin in my eyes did a misstep: A frightened and shy thirteen year old girl getting aroused by a guy who gropes her when she has no choice in It - that is a juicy fantasy for those who love scenarios where virginal girls are "introduced" by a superior aand strong male. Wet dream as long as it stays a fantasy. But In reality a scenario like that is rape and abuse. Now back then when Martin wrote the books we were not aware as much as today of children forcibly married, women enslaved by terrorists etc. Today Martin might decide to do the scene differently and I am glad that the show did, given the present political situation. Otherwise I would call it rape apology. Be aware that I am not against showing atrocities within a timesetting like that as long as they are presented as atrocities. Shireen's burning was certainly the cruelest of all and it will probably happen in the books as well. KFC Inn Show Shae Tyrion and Dany have met!
  14. Poll: Top 6 characters

    1. Tyrion 2. Daenerys 3. Arya 4. Jon 5. Brienne 6. Davos