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  1. Help needed.Some confused Thoughts on Bran/Brandon the builder.

    It may. Depends upon the context
  2. Heresy 189

    The Ironborn are of First Men descent. Their seafaring ways were born out of necessity after their home was separated from the mainland after the hammer of waters.
  3. Heresy 189

    I'd like to know more about the green men. I've just begun listening to the audio version of The Eye of the World which is book one in The Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan. It's uncanny how many similar elements there are! There are striking similarities to Bran's story including things that echo greenseers, green men, weirwood groves, ogres/giants, a false spring, an all seeing eye, a wheel of time, tunnels under the ground to speed up travel, humans that communicate with wolves, a one true source referred to as the light, and a dark one/force. The green man in The Eye of the World is in possession of the all-seeing Eye of the World. Should we anticipate that the green men in ASOIAF are all watching Westeros from the Isle of Men in the center of the Gods Eye? Maybe they are the true godhead? Certainly the name of the lake seems to suggest its an important place and not just the location of the Pact.
  4. Heresy 189

    Does the text state anywhere that the Children have low birth rates? I think they are few because so many have been sacrificed to work magic weapons.
  5. Heresy 189

    I have read the chapter and I too have puzzled over this passage, because I was looking for inversions and this struck me as some type of clue, but I haven't worked out the solution yet. I am actually a proponent that Robert Baratheon (Storm Lord) dressed in Rhaegar's armor and kidnapped Lyanna (magical moonmaid) as a repeat of Durran and Elenei. This would also be a fake "mummer's" version of Rhaegar the Bael-like figure stealing the Stark daughter. But I have no idea why we're supposed to take note that Dorne is blameless in either scenario.
  6. Help needed.Some confused Thoughts on Bran/Brandon the builder.

    I'd like to take credit for naming the show the mummer's version, but that honor goes to Black Crow of Heresy. We do have to keep show discussion out of our book discussions, because that's actually a rule on this forum and could lead to a thread being locked. It seems like a silly rule to me, but none the less, the mods are watching. If the wheel of time is moving in reverse, then Bran will be Bran the Unbuilder...or Bran the Breaker of the Wall, but he is building the future by disassembling and reversing the past, and to do that he has to learn what DID happen in the past and try to discern what would happen in future if he were to reverse something.
  7. Help needed.Some confused Thoughts on Bran/Brandon the builder.

    I think the parallels are meant to catch our attention, but it's meant to lead us towards realizing that the end results are inversions...the reverse of what happened before. For example, I believe Euron and Victarion are reliving the lives of Bloodraven and Bittersteel, only instead of being enemies they are united in purpose. That is why I worry that they will succeed in taking Westeros. It will be as if the Blackfyres have dragons. Maybe Sansa is the Stark that would not kneel? I like both of your suggestions...Sansa and Theon, but I will need to study the order of occurrence to see which happened first. Maybe it's not a true reversal of time, but an unraveling? Like pulling a thread. I do recall her saying this on the mummer's version. Will have to do a search of the text to see if its' mentioned there too. There are other passages that suggest a wheel of time: The Kraken’s Daughter Asha asks her uncle to lend her his history book so she can read about the last kingsmoot, and Rodrik frowns and says “Archmaester Rigney once wrote that history is a wheel, for the nature of man is fundamentally unchanging. What has happened before will perforce happen again.” Rodrik says he thinks about what Rigney said whenever he thinks about Euron and how much he’s like Urron Greyiron, the man that butchered his way to the top at the last kingsmoot. The Soiled Knight Arianne brings up House Toland of Ghost Hill whose sigil is a dragon eating it's own tail. “The dragon is time. It has no beginning and no ending, so all things come round again. Anders Yronwood is Criston Cole reborn." The mention of Archmaester Rigney is a reference to Robert Jordan, author of the Wheel of Time book series. Robert Jordan is a pen name. His real name is James Oliver Rigney Jr.
  8. Help needed.Some confused Thoughts on Bran/Brandon the builder.

    I quite agree that he's drawing from many influences. My interest got peaked because of the wheel of time, which is something that I'm obviously interested in.
  9. Heresy 189

    I dunno BC, he's got a point. 1 in a thousand skinchangers is a greenseer so it seems they are one from birth. I agree that there's the necessary step of the weirwood paste to wed a greenseer to a tree, but I think greenseers are something they are born with the ability to do. I agree with you Tucu. Bloodraven was always a greenseer, even before he was wedded to the trees.
  10. Heresy 189

    I agree with this, at least I believe the ability was inherent in him. He was a skinchanger. He used ravens as his hosts and spied on the realm through them. Using ravens to spy helped him to always be in the right place at just the right time to protect the Targaryen rule from Blackfyres.
  11. Help needed.Some confused Thoughts on Bran/Brandon the builder.

    Sorry to just dump that info above without an explanation as to how I tie all that to Bran, but we need to sort through the timeline if we want to figure out how Bran fits in. Jon, of course is the bastard of Winterfell from the Bael story, so if his future is the inversion then his father is still alive, but there should be an opposite ending. Either the father kills the son, or the son saves the father. Is anyone familiar with the Wheel of Time book series by Robert Jordan? I myself only because aware of the books in the last month and was astounded at how many elements are similar to ASOIAF. The first book is actually titled The Eye of the World. It hasn't been explained what this eye is or does, but I have a feeling it's a greenseer type position, because the book's main characters are going to the place where the Eye of the World is, so if it's in a location, then it's likely some type of being. To get there the characters are traveling through "the ways" which are dark, rock lined tunnels, which of course sound like the tunnels in ASOIAF. The ways were built by ogres, which also coincides with the giants of ASOIAF. Several of the characters are bastards raised by men who really weren't their biological fathers, and these boys are reborn heroes from thousands of years ago, just like Jon and Bran likely are. So Bran may be Bran the Builder reborn, or he's a time traveler and he's the same Bran that built the Wall and Storm's End.
  12. Help needed.Some confused Thoughts on Bran/Brandon the builder.

    I posted on Heresy earlier today that the inhuman Others were the First Men that were allied with the Children and whom were turned into white walkers as weapons to defeat the Andals, therefore the Pact was between the allied First Men/Children and the Andals. This would explain how the Starks were Kings of Winter, but are later overthrown in the story of the Nights King...defeated and warded by iron swords, which was what broke the Pact causing the Children to conjure the comet that hit the moon. Grouping the Children, giants, and other old races makes me think the Starks may not be who we think they are. They may have First Men blood in their veins, but they may not be from the original lineage that lived in the north. Maybe they're descendants of a brother or cousin? Maybe they're not related at all? Most families in the south also have some First Men blood in their veins, but they intermarried with Andals. It could be that the Starks are transplants from the south just like the Manderlys and Mormonts and are not of the same lineage as the old Kings of Winter. The Starks may be the family that defeated and warded the previous inhabitants of Winterfell. One explanation that ties in all the other stories into one picture is Bael the Bard and the son killing the father which may also be the same story as the Nights King. The defeated are always vilified. There's an animated history on one of the DVDs that has Ygritte telling the story of the Wall and she says something about the son not being like the father. Basically they wouldn't follow the son after the father died. I think we're dealing with a split within the Stark family where the son turns against the father. The son being allied with the Andals while the father was allied with the Children. After the father is killed his followers are forced north of the Wall and the descendants are the wildlings.
  13. Help needed.Some confused Thoughts on Bran/Brandon the builder.

    If I could figure out how to insert an emoji from my phone it'd be bugged out eyes with my mouth open! Well done! I'm blown away! Could I use this for my essay too? Lol At the rate this is going you all will write the whole thing for me!
  14. Heresy 189

    I'm not objecting to that. It is well known the Andals burned the weirwoods and killed the tree-huggers. The only thing different is the omission of the war on magic. I think my explanation ties in all the other stories into one picture including Bael the Bard and the son killing the father which may also be the same story as the Nights King. The defeated are always vilified. There's an animated history on one of the DVDs that has Ygritte telling the story of the Wall and she says something about the son not being like the father. Basically they wouldn't follow the son after the father died. I think we're dealing with a split within the Stark family where the son turns against the father. The son being allied with the Andals while the father was allied with the Children. After the father is killed his followers are forced north of the Wall and the descendants are the wildlings.
  15. Help needed.Some confused Thoughts on Bran/Brandon the builder.

    I'm probably not explaining myself very well. I've been immersed in inversions for six months. It's almost like learning a second language!