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  1. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    Not sure Tyrion wouldn't have told him. Perhaps not, but I can't see why he wouldn't, other than to try and prove his worth by finding her himself and carrying out damage control on his own. Up in the air I suppose but he does mention a few episodes back at the beginning of the street scene where the dude calls him a demon monkey that although he's been sending communications to Tywin he's not heard any responses. So he is keeping Tywin abreast of the situation in KL, pure conjecture about what he's leaving in or leaving out. Aren't there a few references to the Umbers' illiteracy? Can't remember if that's book only or both. I have to disagree on this. It was obvious to him that she's highborn, hence the "m'lord" discussion. As I said earlier, her answers didn't fool him, hence the "too smart for your own good" comment. Of course she would masquerade as lowborn and unimportant if what she wants- wisely- is to avoid attention. Hell masquerading (as a boy) is what she was doing when he first found her at Harrenhal, so it's not exactly out of character for her from what he knows of her. And he figures out she's a Northerner on his own- he asks and she confirms. So yes, he can figure that out. "Most people" might not want to act lowborn, but most people also wouldn't act as if they were boy recruits for the Night's Watch, either, who aren't treated very well, themselves...which, by the way, is yet another clue to her being a Northerner trying to get back, though admittedly very subtle.
  2. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    :agree: Cersei won't let him for fear of tipping people off about the incest. Later in the books, when he finally begins to come out of his disillusionment over her, he does start to try to reach out to Tommen a little. Her answers would be clever enough to fool some, perhaps most, but not Tywin. This is the point of that "did anyone ever tell you you're too smart for your own good" line....it doesn't make sense unless Tywin knows she's lying. If she's just telling him the truth, what's so savvy and smart about that? This is a good observation; if you are referencing reader/viewer reactions, people's perceptions are skewed by the fact that most like the Starks and want them home, so they like Tyrion for being willing to give them up, but they hate the Lannisters, Jaime in particular, so they want him to pay at all costs rather than be given his freedom. But I also think many people, myself included, saw Jaime as a far more valuable hostage than the girls, whether or not he is, in fact, an albatross, as some have said. I despised Cat because it seemed to me that all she had done by freeing Jaime was traded the death/imprisonment of one child (Robb) for the hope of life/freedom of two others (the girls)...to me the war was over once Jaime was free. Does one man make or break the war effort? Not necessarily...I'll use everybody's catch-phrase of the butterfly effect....on morale for both armies, on bargaining positions, on Robb's perceived strength as a king... just the way I saw it. Not at all. More like he didn't care what he did with her. Which is, IMO, one of the only things about the whole Arya/Tywin plot that actually rings true of him.
  3. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    WHAT?!?! Hardly :leer: Yup, they did. I think you may be right, but that "Jaime Lannister sends his regards" line may have to come out, then, which is a shame.
  4. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    She also describes him to Cat as having black hair, which, though minor, to me gives it a bit of validity. If she were calculatingly thinking it up I think baby boy'd be blonde like his half-sibs. Thin, I know, and yet... The summary for next week's episode includes: "Joffrey doles out rewards to his subjects." I interpreted that as a description of the bodies from the three whores interlude. But those weren't really flung at his people, so perhaps not.
  5. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    Removed for accidental double post.
  6. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    Re: why Ros was thought to be Tyrion's whore, that necklace bit comes from last season....remember Theon's infamous full-frontal scene with Ros in which Tyrion was discussed...Theon notices the lion necklace and gets pissed and Ros talks about how some of her clients pay better than others...
  7. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    Good points all. Book Robb was impulsive and foolish wrt Jeyne, which I actually found understandable and tragic in the books in its context, but don't even get me started re: Theon, which I didn't find nearly as understandable. Jury's still out in my mind on whether or not I like the fact that HBO made it Theon's idea to go negotiate with Balon (though that could be how it went down in the books, as I believe all we know of it is Robb telling Catelyn his plans, but not their genesis). Unfortunately, though, HBO made Robb even dumber, for several of the reasons you list, which sucks because he was so kickass at the beginning of the season, before all his scenes devolved into romantic mush.
  8. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    LF is only on one person's side, ever and always.
  9. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    I don't think it's quite the same, if we take as given the arguments of economy/budget/simplicity and leave the rest, I still think it blows that Tywin will only be in cahoots with the Freys in bringing about the RW. The Westerling subplot was a brilliant, cold and calculating bit of Tywinesque strategizing and opportunism, nicely echoing his lifting of the siege in KL during Robert's rebellion, and it would have been nice to have that side of things included. Especially considering the whole grandfatherly rapport with Arya this season, I think he's not quite coming off as the powerful, unstoppable monster he is in the books, and the viewers may find it hard to gel with Tyrion taking him out later. I know we've heard the Tysha story, but we've seen the Arya interactions, so it's up for debate how non-readers will interpret him. I agree with the earlier post about his casually dumping Arya on the Mountain as a good view of cold-hearted Tywin, but that again, is partially due to the fact that those of us who've read the books have reason to fear and loathe the Mountain much more than the TV audience, who've only seen him slaughter a horse and heard the story of what he did to little bro as a kid.
  10. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    I interpreted that as bait for Arya's reaction, but I guess it works for Tywin, too... Like this a lot. A very good thought, and I do believe you're right. I think Loras as Renly is highly likely and I think it would be a good change. Don't think it's dramatic enough for the end shot, though. I sort of assumed it'd be Bran and Rickon out of the crypts revealing they were alive but now that that's shot, I'm thinking homage to last season the dragon(s) burning down the House of the Undying...though it wouldn't really finish off Dany's plotline from Clash. True, we don't exactly know that there isn't a Robb Stark heir, but we do know about Jeyne's mother getting in the way of that. Not impossible, of course, for GRRM to throw us a curveball later; one might even say it is likely, considering Jeyne just sort of disappeared and nothing much has been said about her. Discarded b/c she was merely a plot device or saved up and waiting in the wings with a little understudy in her belly...who can say? Look what happened when LF disappeared for awhile....
  11. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion Mk. II

    @legba11 Since prev. thread is locked I can't quote you, but I think it's personal interpretation re: whether the Halfhand was "captured" or no. It just reads tougher to me to have him die- sacrificially to boot- before anyone could technically take him into custody. I respect him more. It echoes something of the grit in the old Hollywood westerns. Also lines up well with Ygritte's answer to his question in the prev. episode, which is why I find it bizarre that he now shows up a prisoner. Don't really know what the point of having her say that was.
  12. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion

    Been ages since I read it, but I remembered Jon and the Halfhand being cornered with no way out, not ever exactly captured. Could be wrong, though.
  13. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion

    gmavridis has the right of it, at least in part. Tywin's plotting with the Westerlings and Walder Frey was a masterful example of Tywin's brilliance, ruthlessness, and power- echoing his "dishonorable" means for taking KL in Robert's rebellion- and it seems this will all be lost without Robb's marriage to Jeyne Westerling. Is it "necessary" for the plot or characterization? No, but it's badass and intelligent and it's a shame to miss out on it. Yeah, loved that bit. Same thoughts here. :cheers: On this we can agree. Brilliantly cast. Don't know if you care for this sort of thing but his portrayal of Tulkinghorn in the BBC Bleak House production is even better. Scary as hell. Spot on, all of it.
  14. [Book Spoilers] EP 208 Discussion

    Yep. I really thought the whole Westerling Momma/Tywin/Frey plot which led to the RW was great writing and good storytelling, which we have been set up for. We know how prickly Frey is about being slighted by the greater houses- the Tully's in particular- from Season 1, so I do feel the motivation for him would be the same were Robb married to a Westerling vs. a Volantian. If folks feel the need to see the falling in love, that's their perrogative, just don't really see the point of switching her character. I'm not sure we need slave city backstory, slavery=bad to everyone already, just the fact of a city being a slave city would be enough, I think. I don't see how Tulisa's little life lesson story makes anyone feel anything about slavery that we didn't already. It was clear in the books that Tywin and the Westerlings (not necessarily Jeyne, but maybe) had a deal; Mom Westerling kept pouring moon tea into Jeyne to keep her from producing an heir, and Tywin mentions the Reynes of Castamere in a conversation with Tyrion re: Robb and the Westerlings and we put two and two together. It's all perfect Tywin and I'm not sure why they might want to drop it. Hope they won't. Probably. I also think she's doing a great job, which is nice because I couldn't stand her in the books.