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  1. What is Littlefinger's next move?

    Welcome to the forum. The point you made made is quite interesting to me. The broad point that you make that Mel has a significant roll in Jon's arc is where I agree. But rather than saving Jon's life again, I think Mel connects up with Dany and informs her of the threat from beyond the wall and convinces her to head north.
  2. Jon Snow complete injustice

    Jon was “Lord Commander” of the NW. By making claims on the LC, Ramsey dictated conditions of war to the NW. Ramsey has no authority to dictate terms to the NW. By declaring conditions of war, the NW has to defend itself as there is no separation between the LC and the Watch. The KW is not a democracy or a council; they are soldiers that follow the orders of their Lord Commander; those that don’t (Janos Slynt) find another alternative. Jon asks those that have taken the Black to stay at Castle Black and asks only Wildlings to go with him to take on Ramsey. This wasn’t because he considered what he was doing wrong, it was to keep the NW in command of fortifications and focused on the threat to the North. Yoren was able to go throughout Westeros to gather recruits without any problems. Alliser Thorne was also able to go to Kings Landing without problems, Jon, LC of the NW; son of Ned Stark, going South to protect the NW from Bolton's army would gain recruits for the NW and not be considered abandoning his duty. The fact that he is going to remove a threat to the NW should be looked at with approval and if he saves his sister and Mance in the process, all the better.
  3. If Sansa's promise to LF in her letter to him is an implied acceptance to marry, I could see her telling the North that Ned raised Jon as his son and that she abdicates her claim to Winterfell in favor of Jon. She would reason that Bran is presumed dead and Arya has disappeared and as the only living son of Ned, it is Jon's right to inherit.
  4. Brienne to meet ...? (Book & show discussion)

    If Brienne connects up with the BwB, Sandor could tell a story about how Ned was taken captive and who held a knife to his throat. That's something that neither Sansa or Jon know of Littlefinger.
  5. Sansa saving Winterfell, wildlings and the northerners

    The show writers didn't have Karstark say that Jon knew Winterfell better than any of us for no ... reason
  6. Sansa saving Winterfell, wildlings and the northerners

    Sansa wasn't around to see any of the events that raised Jon to LC. She wasn't in Robb's camp to see how he outmanuevered Jaime even though Jaime had the greater forces. When Sansa hasn't felt as though she was threatened or a captive, her decisions have always been self fulfilling much like her mother (who grew up with Littlefinger). Sansa still see's Jon as her outcast bastard brother and doesn't trust his ability even though he was taught strategy the same as Robb. That Jon's won over the North's ancient enemies, the Wildlings, is to her what the Wildlings were obligated to do. Yes, Sansa saw the results of a disparaged Stannis who at the time had burned his only child causing the vast amount of his support leave him. Stannis then finds that his wife hung herself with grief and that Melisandre who instigated his rise to power abandoned him. By the time Stannis got to Winterfell he was on a suicide mission. That is not the case with Jon or the Wildlings, who are fighting for more than to recover past glory. As Karstark told Ramsey a few episodes before, "Snow knows Winterfell better than any of us." Jon will have a plan that isn't going against the Bolton, Karstark and Umber forces head on. Sansa is still a Summer Child of the South. Look at the way Jon winced when Sansa spoke to Glover as if she was parroting Cersei.
  7. Sansa meets Littlefinger

    I have to think that Littlefinger still hates Starks and unlike the rest of Neds kids, Jon has no Tully in him. He may consider Jon as someone that's between him and Sansa. To me, Jon is about as safe with Littlefinger around as he would be with Ramsey.
  8. I can see this a a great possibility as scars and healing tends to be a theme in the overall story. As I read, it seems that the gulf between those that have power and those that don't is huge, and the story is of how people deal with their power and how those that don't have to cope with their situation. But, in both Westerns and Essos, change hasn't happened much in 10,00 years. The status quo has primarily been the same. Does this have to do with natural conditions, magic or both? In our world, invention and progress are the norm. In the GRRM's world the status quo may be the norm. The following is regarding the natural state of metal over time: "Corrosion is nature's method whereby metals and alloys return to their un-refined naturally occurring forms as ores and minerals" The above definition of corrosion is the natural transition that begins once steel is created to return to its natural state as an oxide. When “Ice” was reforged into “Oathkeeper” and “Widow’s Wail”, their return to “ice” seemed a possibility. In the next books, look for “Widow’s Wail” to gradually find the way towards “Oathkeeper.” This would be in keeping, not only with the two swords returning to their natural state, but also maintaining the status quo.
  9. Can Robb's will override the oath of NW?

    Have we all forgotten that this story is a fantasy. There's been very little cultural progress in 8000 years. There are dead people at the command of White Walkers. There are Dragons, Direworlves, Mammoths and Giants in this world. How does anyone consider the laws of succession absolute within the story that's being presented. Many of the characters in this story follow the lOld Gods. Those that swear to the Old Gods swear before a Heart Tree. There is a character that is developing abilities to communicate through Heart Trees, either by bending branches to shape some form or having leaves create the sound of words when the wind is blowing through them. What if a Heart Tree reshapes itself and communicates Jon's identity or destiny through leaves rustling as Jon is layed to rest. If Jon were to come back to life, would the KW still hold him to his oath? Would the Wildlngs also ignore this event? Would Melisandre deny it? Would't Jon's resurrection under a Heart Tree that told of his destiny become legend. To me, this fan fiction synopsis would fit the storyline more than the laws of succession.
  10. Conservative or Conspiracy Theorist?

    I like to entertain theory's like: Wanda = Lemore HR knows the Elder Brother GNC: Manderly knows for fact that Bolton's Arya is a fake. Arya's been to White Harbor with Ned, 2X Robb's Will names Jon.  Northern Clans checking Jon out: Jon sending Stannis to ask for their help. Unknown to Jon = leader of the Wildlings: Took their valuables before they could go through the Wall.  Possibility that I haven't trashed: HR=HS   Total speculation:   Marwyn was Maester for Lyanna's birth Summerhall was murder and not an accident gone bad.   So yeah, I'm reading between the story lines.  It makes the years between books more interesting.
  11. At least Manderly knows that the Arya the Boltons have is a fake.   In AFfC while in the HoBW Arya remembers going to White Harbor.   Chapter 22: "She had visited White Harbor with her father twice, but she knew King's Landing better." Going with Ned, Manderly would certainly have honored her as family member accompanying his Liege Lord.
  12. Perhaps the show left out the Griff plot line because there is another Aegon plot that needs to be developed
  13. Did Jon "steal" Val?

    It’s been a while since I’ve seen this thread. Yes, I agree that the Wildlings would see Jon as a strong leader. As far a giving up their freedom twice, is the first time that you’re referring to when they accepted Mance as their leader? I understood that the reason the Wildllings accepted Mance as their leader and invaded was to get beyond the Wall in order to evade the “Others”. It’s Jon that has not only provided this but also gives them land and opportunity. That they surrender their valuables in return for the presumed safety of the “gift” may be considered giving up their freedom, but I think it’s more like they see that Jon has provided a new life opportunity to them in their dark hour. Jon has already shown his acceptance of them with the Thenn/Karstark wedding. That they surrender their valuables to cross beneath the Wall is just a formality in accepting Jon as their leader.
  14. Missandei is a Faceless Man/Woman perhaps Izembaro

    There's also this aspect. When Missandei had just been freed from being a slave by Dany, she offers Missendei the opportunity to serve her as one of her handmaids and to be an interpreter for her, but, should she want, Missandei can leave whenever she desires. Missandei says that she will stay and serve Dany. Dany tells her that she can give Missandei her freedom but by being around Dany, She cannot be guaranteed safety. That's when Missandei says "Valar Morghulis". It may be the HBO series indicates that everyone knows that terminology in Essos, but Missandei could have said a number of things back to Dany, without using that particular phrase. Why was it that Jaquen thought it was so important that he asked her to repeat the term "Valar Morghullis" when he gave the coin to Arya. And then why when she says it to the captain and gives the coin, he immediately accepts her passage and takes her to Braavos and the FM. So far to my knowledge, in the books, that term is used only in conjunction with the FM. So to me, just by Missandei's use of Valar Morghullis, it gives me reason to be suspicious of her. That and all of the other possible reasons that "TOTY" has thought out.
  15. Jon Snow's Fate - Ghost / Ice Cell

    Well if Mel's behind the attack on Jon to subjugate him to her, I hope that she become a sheath for Longclaw