mediterraneo

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  1. Ehm. Eddard wanted to use hair as parentage proof. Varys got him interested in Jon Arryn's readings and Pycelle was reticent enough about it to let Eddard suspect. Martin instead is a 21th century man, knows about genetics, and set up a description of many previous crosses between a dominant gene (black hair) and a recessive one (blonde hair) to leave us totally in the dark about whether or not Jeoffrey can be son of Robert or not, as we cannot know if Robert carried both genes or not while manifesting the dominant one. Cersei too wants to believe her children to be Jaime's. She psicologically need that, and strongly shouts about that. But "kids, don't try this at home" about her birth control techniques. They don't guarantee anything, it is quite possible to get pregnant while acting Cersei's semen control protocols as she describes them. Martin didn't ever affirm that this or that character is or isn't children of that other. He lets his characters speak, and see, and think, and then he lets his readers chose what to believe. That's the beauty in it's work. Cheers.
  2. Well, Thoros is surely in good faith doing what he does in the name of his god. He truly believes it. On the other hand, we have a So Spake Martin affirming here in 2007 (6-8 july, Indianapolis) and in other places too that: "There will be no gods on stage in the books and the reader will have to decide whether there are gods or not." I feel that while Martin can change idea and include direct divine intervention in the future, that covers the books already published. That includes all of the sacrifices you list and all of Thoros actions. So your opinion seems to be incorrect, according to the author of the books: those are included as "not a clear case of divine intervention" in Martin words. It is to be taken in account that the author does want the situation to be as ambigous as he can write it, and you are surely free to recognize it as divine, as well as magical or in any way you choose.
  3. In the same way of Melisandre's shadowbabies, Bran's telepathy and sight, wargs and general skinchanging, not burning on pires when birthing dragons, the strange things the Undying and Qaithe do, the face changing of the followers of the many faced god. There are always people doing things, sometimes int he name of some higher power, sometimes not. There should be some SSM about religion and no gods directly intervening, ever and the westerosi having to rely on faith to understand what's true, what's a god, what's a miracle, and indeed if gods as we moderns intend them actually exist.
  4. Inherently, no one. No god has intervened Westeros, ever, nor will them in the future. Unless Martin changes idea and takes back one of the core points of his novels: like in our world, gods just exist in the faith of their followers. If you want to measure the impact of the faithfuls and magicians in Westeros, I bet it is between Bran's impact and Melisandre's one until now, with the Walkers as possible "help" towards Bran and the "old gods" side. If we had Essos too in the fold the red priests there are working towards a continent wide slave insurrection for Daenerys, that would be my "most powerful god" bet, but you explicitly limited this to Westeros. Cheers!
  5. Hello everybody, I'm with the gold miners. there is money there, we need to put that back in function asap. The silver mine is a bet, and it is best to bet with someone else's resources. Promise a surname and a share to anyone finding new streaks of silver - the Hollis girl will be married to this -now very rich - guy as a premium for her family's faithfulness. Same line with the boats: give anybody licence to build boats for a share of the revenues, if they promise some months a year of use of those boats for my navy. Tipify types of boats (bigger? faster?) as privilege - to pay for. Hopefully the best fisermen will try to improve their situation and pay for the right to build more impressive ships for me. On the trading routes plan: take it, and we will go soving problems as we go. We will have to meet very soon with Crackehall as he and his wife will be present at my father's burial. That's the occasion to show him how much being in charge has already changed me (at least during PR) in a context in which he will hopefully be attentive to his wife's wail. Get a way to talk with my sister regularily, and be frank with her: your family still needs your help, father left a mess, tell me if I can help Crakehall in any way as we could need his friendship a lot. Talk to her about the route thing. If the Hollis girl can't be married to the silver finder, send her as maid to my sister - she will be a good way to talk reliabily to my sister and a backup source of information there. The sister side must be the leverage with Crakehall, we NEED the deal, and I as a new lord cannot have a so and so deal with someone "they think" is in bad blood with me or the House will lose face. On the marriage: meet the Reyne, proclaiming your love for the girl in a slightly too public situation to keep this all quiet. Then let also slip -obviously not on purpose but in public- that the Preston offered a much higher dowry for an older, less beautiful woman. I would NEVER allow a Reyne girl to be so shamed as to be married with a lower dowry than a Preston almost-too-old maid. Or to be refused due to the Reyne's inability to offer a dowry worthy their name to their daughters. It can go wrong, but there would be leverage to force the Reyne to maintain their prestige by at least equalling the dowry. If the Reyne don't up the odds, be quite vocal on the matter and prefer to marry a woman "that her family doesn't despise" with the Preston woman - it will be prstige for them to be preferred on the Reyne, even if the girl is "clearly worse". Instead of meeting the Reyne the same things could be done at the very same Father's burial, letting the news about it go through the Crakehall into word of wind by quietly telling my sister about it at some mass eating, where everybody hears. That is: we would take shots at everything, hoping more than some will go, at least partially good. If either the silver or the ships pay dividends, we will have more resources than we thought. In the best possible case (Reyne upping the Dowry to Preston levels fearing to lose face, my sister helping brokering a good deal with her husband, the fishermen finding resources to build a fleet for themselves and me, someone finding the silver streak quickly, the golden mine not getting any further problems) I would find myself with resources to double the needed to keep my basis working, and I could start thinking about improving somehow the trading and-or security facilities of my lands. Putting a good tower to difend a couple of natural ports could helpt the fishermen's ships and also make a good place to unload a merchant's ship. Builidng an inn somewhere could help keep the road clean and generate revenues locally, If (hopefully when, but...) things are really ok I could think to start some kind of productive activity (what does lord Hawthorn plan to sell? CAN I be complementary with him in this or will it be competence?) or to build some prestige-generating building (a sept?) as a focus for economical activities. But I have the competitive advantage of knowing that building gothic cathedrals almost more than paid for itself in an economical and population expansive phase of the cycle - and other nobles talking of opening trade routes sounds like expansion to me. Cheers everyone!
  6. My take about the lack of marriages for Westeros' best grooms is that their families were playing a waiting game: Sansa, Arianne, Margaery, a lot of regional candidate are unmarried too. Maybe people in this culture and generation are going to keep their chances open until a dire need arises. If this was a Crusader Kings style game I would probably have tried to start building alliances in peace time, to be fair, just to get prepared. If Robb was already bethroated (or even married!) when his army got to the Twins Walder Frey could only have asked to ward and marry Rickon to a girl of his, in addition to Arya, sparing a lot of trouble down the road. If Sansa had also been bethroated to Theon before the start of the series, a lot of trouble would have been spared to the North. The only advantage waiting is to (still) have a shot at the best ones: Jeoffrey, Edmure, Renly even just as Lord of Storm's End, Robb and the girls above.
  7. Is "burnt and very very dead, please" an option, about how will he get to Daenerys' court? Or any other place, really....
  8. I'm an "heretic", so I would like to live to see a "dark" explaination for the "king of winter", shouting "winter is coming" and coming to get you. But it must be said that TFN's explaination is the simplest, the most straightforward.
  9. It was since the first read of the Worldbook I had some vague similar sentiment, but I couldn't express it, give it a completely formed reality. Silas Barbarossa, just now you are my new hero. I like this one!
  10. Why this obsession with Harrenhal? What's special there, other than unproven magic and a failed attempt at ruling the Riverlands? Byfort of Corfe made a good job on talking practicalities of an urban seat of power in Westeros' east coast. Urban alternatives could be Oldtown (less participation on the Narrow Sea traffic but you would divide the Reach) Lannisport (until the mines are out) and White Harbor (to "normalize" the North's east coast while seizing the moment to divide another strong, isolated actor). Would an itinerant monarchy be viable? I'd say no, in absence of direct, personal ties between the territories and the crown, too deeply dependant on feudal ties with (too powerful) vassals. "Divide et impera", I'd say, even more important then where you do establish your new powerbase.
  11. I don't think Aegon is overrated. He had a thousand men to work with and he conquered a continent. He didn't invent dragons, and powers with far more dragons that he had didn't conquer Westeros in all of its previous history. He backed up a very rash, foolhardy statement with actions, using just part of his power to submit whole kingdoms at a time. One dragon was enough for Harren, one dragon was enough for the Arrogant's army, even if Orys had to kill Argillac with his own hands. His behaviour in keeping the conquered kingdoms in as good a condition as it was possible was good, and neither he nor his inmediate successors had to face any indipendentist revolt, just some conflict with the Faith, a powerful force that he was able to cohopt into supporting his new monarchy by making himself king "by their benediction". He didn't need to field any number of his troops to keep his new subjects in line, but added strenghts to his strenght as a final result in all of his campaigns. That''s almost unprecedented, in Planetos or on Earth. That's why he kept his Lords Paramount, even the ones that had tried to fight him, to give maximum premium to the ones that accepted his rule, to give an as easy way out of the conflict against him as possible to everyone. And his dragon-borne victories are victories using his strenghts. It's easy to say that without their ships the British wouldn't have conquered half of the world. The British had ships in Cartagena de Indias and in the American indipendence war, and lost. Far from reducing the merit of their victories elsewhere, this fact underlines their capacity of using their own strenghts to seize opportunities in other places and times. Aegon lost with his dragons in his attempt to conquer Dorne. I'd bet on the dragons in any conflict with that technology level, but... dragons is not a trump card over everything in every circumstance. Dragons are fire made flesh maybe, but flesh can bleed and die. And they did, eventually, in Aegon's times. Aegon's defeat in Dorne was spectacular. Yet even with Orys Baratheon mutilated a feet and a hand, a dragon and a queen killed, nobody tried to rebel. Nobody rose to oust the Targaryen from their much reduced power, even after seeing that defeating a dragon was possible, was done in Westeros. And this is Aegon's (and Visenya's, and all of their group's) greatest victory: he established a dinasty felt as untouchable and (thus?) rightful by people that had lived in indipendence. Resuming: Aegon rocked.
  12. THanks to everybody's ones too! My mistake then, thanks to Seams: it is in the World Book. PS: we'd really need a thematic index for the SSM!
  13. Well, if I remember correctly there was a SSM saying that there are around a hundred valyrian steel swords in Westeros, so we shouldn't take too strictly any count to 12 or to 14 of the swords of which we already know the name. Like noting that it is different for a sword to be "lost" in world or simpl out of the readers' sight, there is a difference between non existing and not having been cited (yet) to the readers. There are plenty of valyrian weapons out there. And I bet against some prime number number of knights to militarily defeat the Others at the end of the series. If there is a meaning of the swords, I bet it will be symbolical, not practical. To the thread point, I like all of the "north of the Wall" references tied to the Stark family. Their old title, "kings of winter". Their warcry, "winter is coming". Their sword, "Ice". Their ancestral fortress's name, "winterfell" fitting the traditional tale of the Long Night's introduction: "A great winter fell on the land..." When you add up the legends about the Night King being a Stark, the Last Hero "victory" resulting in finding the Children of the Forest and forging a Pact with them, and even the Bale the Bard story of kidnapping... Well, when you have the Stark being the only known skinchanger born south of the Wall, you start asking yourself questions. Were the Stark of old the human half of the Children of the Forest's self defence force, pairing up with the White Walkers? Is that's why they behead wou with ice?
  14. I don't particularily like the fascist ideology he uses, but he is undoubtfully effective, even with a blaise public like this. I'm definitely in, the effort deserved it. I'd bet a coffee against the six pages, if we lived in the same place.
  15. Well, "they" still have two Valyrian Steel swords now, even if Brienne holds one for the Baratheon king's uncle. Oathkeeper and Widow's wail. I accept that Oathkeeper could count as a Lannister or Tarth sword, though.