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  1. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    Ah, so your notion of honor is betrayal, and you'll ignore evidence that Northmen accept avuncular marriages because it doesn't fit what you want to happen. Not to mention that Jon's character's was originally envisioned as the guy who falls in love with a girl he believes his sister. Somehow I think that Jon finding out that Dany is his aunt isn't going to change his feelings for her. Personally I think that the drama is going to be more about finding out that Ned was his uncle than Dany being his aunt. You know, even if they broke up, then it's not a betrayal. Betrayal is stabbing someone in the back. It is true that many people in the fandom have been fantasying about it for years because they want to pit Dany and the Starks against each other: "Omg, Dany will want to burn Ned's kids, somebody stop her!" But there has never been any real reason to believe that aside of wild speculation and wishful thinking. Jon has no reason to betray Dany, especially if they are apparently on the same boat of being betrayed by Cersei. She's willing to reasonably talk to him, she's willing to join him in fighting the Others, he seems to genuinely like her and trust her abitilities if we go by the information he indeed voluntarily kneels to her. Deception is not in Show Jon's arsenal, not at all. Well, I think we've head bellyful of each other. I won't be disappointed if you choose to discontinue this conversation. I think we've arrived at an impasse, anyway.
  2. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    Maybe. Right now the badly disappointed person is you. Shuddering and all at the horrifying thought of these two fictional characters making out. Forgive if I find it funny as well as highly biased. As for Wall falling, sure, it's supposed to rise the stakes. As in "oh no, these two just found love, but now everything goes to hell and they may all die". As for the RLJ reveal, that has already been confirmed last year. HBO put it on the official site. Bran is just a moron that takes too long to put together the obvious because someone needs to spoonfeed the watchers that haven't paid attention and apparently believe that the reveal was that Jon is the child of Ned and Lyanna. But speaking of contrasting juxtaposition, since Cersei is suppossed to have a miscarriage, another woman may be getting pregnant during these last, very dramatic moments.
  3. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    Mea culpa, but I think I have a point anyway. If I am right, that is.
  4. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    Well, I think that GRRM chose to include this interesting piece of trivia for a reason. Anyway, theSibling incest is different from avuncular incest. In many European countries to this day laws forbid marriage only between (grand)parents and (grand)children and full and half siblings. Since what isn't forbidden is allowed, it means that nephew/aunt and uncle/niece are fair game. Granted, nobody does it nowdays, but historically it happened. It's not comparable to sibling incest that has been always unthinkable.
  5. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    I just find it amusing that people who have claimed that GRRM and/or D&D would never ever put these two characters together now claim that even if it happens of course they won't be the endgame! Never, ever. Like, if J/D comes to pass you've been terribly wrong about them before, so I wouldn't immediately start making predictions about the future development of their relationship if I were you, LOL.
  6. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    Yup. A baby. Hopefully a Luke and a Leia both.
  7. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    That makes you very unbiased, I'm sure. In the show we know for sure there's no afterlife. There's no Drogo and Rhaego waiting for Dany. That was the Undying's way of trying to bedazzle Dany, so she doesn't defend herself when they steal her life energy, much like in the books. Their spell was broken when heard her living dragon children call, and she turned her back on her dear dead ones. If it's a foreshadowing of anything, it makes more sense that she's on the brink of death, but the memory of what she has to live for gives her the strength to go on. FYI, Stark men have married their nieces before. If they could marry their brother's daughters, I don't see any reason why another could not be in a relationship with his father's sister.
  8. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    I see you're not going to give up hope even if it happens, LOL.
  9. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    Well, you said that if it happens in the show, you hope it's made up by D&D. That would be denial to me. If it happens on the show, it happens in the books as well. Daenerys Targaryen and Jon Snow are arguably the two most important characters in this entire story. A possible romantic relationship between them is not a meaningless detail that can be easily dismissed. I can tell you 99,9% that Jorah and Dany aren't going to end up in a romantic relationship. I am rarely so sure of anything. That's simply not GRRM's style, not at all*, and the show despite its divergences is still adapting the skeleton of the book plot, so, no, not gonna happen. * If you don't believe me, check out Dying of the Light, The Meathouse Man, The Tower of Ashes, Starlady, etc. I cannot think of a single example where the lady changed her mind in the end. This could be the first time, sure, but given that ASoIaF seems to be the remix of pretty much all GRRM has written before, I find it exceedingly unlikely.
  10. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    Yeah, but not all interpretations and theories are equal. As for the Jonrya hints, I guess it depends on what you count as a hint. Personally, if S8 epilogue has Jon screwing his little sister, I'll accept it as the canon ending, no matter how much I dislike it. I won't live in denial. The thing is, you don't seem to be able to do the same with Jonerys. You dislike it, so you fight tooth and nail to deny that GRRM has it planned in the books and D&D had to made it up to put popular characters together. Not sure what are you getting at with Jorah. Are trying to tell me the show playing up the "Ser Frienzone" angle for laughs somehow proves that they make all the romantic stuff up? Yeah, no. There are plenty of book readers who also feel that Dany should return Jorah's feelings. The thing is, GRRM does not write Nice Guy wish fulfillment fantasies. I've read his work outside of ASoIaF, and there are plenty of male protagonists that are rejected by women they love, and rejected they remain and have to learn to live with it on their own.
  11. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    Not necessarily romantic? In the previous post I've explained that blue roses have romantic conotations, both inside the story and outside of it. Well, given that she dislikes Hizdahr and Euron is bad news, of course that the second vision is not positive. It's not positive because Dany's feelings about this person aren't/won't be positive. It's dependant on her POV. Imagine if Janos Slynt entered HotU. Do you think that the guy who executes him would have been symbolized as a blue rose filling the air with sweetness? Of course not. He would be reprezented by something sad and/or grisly instead. Anyway, I've always thought that the bride of fire visions are connected to the three mounts. The silver one is about her first in the bed, the second one with the corpse is about someone she will dread, the one with a sweet-smelling rose is about someone she will love. Overall I just don't understand why you're searching for alternative explanations. J/D being romantic together does not go against anything in the books. In fact, it fits very well with HotU as has been debated to the death. You may not like it, but there's really no reason to believe that D&D are not showing us GRRM's intention for these two. And about Dany not finding Jon attractive... oh, she will. Tyrion lampshades it in his conversation to Aegon. The joke is, it's not about the imposter nephew that fights Lannisters, but about the real nephew that fights the Others. It's also a mistake to believe that these characters are stuck and won't go through further character development. Dany at the beginning of AGoT is a different person from Dany at the end of AGoT. Dany at the start of ACoK is different from Dany at end of ADwD. The same is true of Jon. They are both going through transformative experiences. If Dany met Drogo.today, she would likely abhor him as a slaver. The main reason why she came to love him was because he gave her a sense of agency when she has been powerless and abused her entire life. Later on she is attracted to Daario because he represents her desire to go fire and blood upon the slavers and doesn't want her to become the obedient queen in silk that pops out sons. When she comes to Westeros and fights the Others, she will be looking for something different again.
  12. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    My point is, this vision describes a relationship. A relationship between Dany and Jon, not Lyanna and Rhaegar. Jon smells sweetly to Dany. This vision is from her perspective. It's not about how Rhaegar or Lyanna viewed each other.The sweet quality describes Dany's own feelings, not Rhaegar or Lyanna's. Besides, if you were an author would you really choose a sweet-smelling blue rose as a symbol of familial relationship and would you then put the symbolic reprezentation of this familial relationship into a sequence of visions callled "bride of fire"? IMHO, that would be one hell of a misleading literary creation, LOL. Both in the context of ASoIaF and wider popular culture, blue roses are clearly connected to romantic love.
  13. Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

    But why does Dany give a fig about the long dead Lyanna Stark? No matter how romantic and full of love (or not) the relationship between Lyanna and Rhaegar was, it doesn't pertain to Dany. She has no reason to care for their love. They had died before she was born, and this is a triad of visions about her life, about why she is the bride of fire, what life has in store for her. Dany's never going to even meet Lyanna. She will meet Jon Snow. He is the rose in her vision, not his mother. I really don't see any reason to grasp for unlikely alternative explanations and claim that D&D are effectively lying to us about major story points.
  14. Historical figures the Targaryan Kings are based on

    Well, I don't say they are 1:1 parallels. More like inspirations. An overly pious king and a young warmonger, though I think that Baelor fits Richard and Louis better than Daeron does Henry. I think that Daeron's conquest compares better to Henry's sojourn in Wales rather than Alexander's empire-building because it was short and unsuccessful, while Alexander's vast empire outlived him, albeit not by much. Alexander's project was also far more ambitious. Similarly, Rhaegar gives me the vibe of Edward the Black Prince, who was very popular, eloped with Joan of Kent, and in spite of hopes put in him died before his father, but, again, it's only a vibe.
  15. Historical figures the Targaryan Kings are based on

    Baelor reminds me of Richard II of England (religious and fasting himself, no heirs of his body) or Louis VII of France, the first husband of Eleanor of Aquitaine, who was also almost a monk in a marriage bed (at least accrding to Eleanor). Daeron the Young Dragon resembles young Henry II. Early in his reign, Henry tried to conquer Wales, but failed miserably.