Aedan Stormrage

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  1. High Valyrian

    We do have it, it was one of the first words we've got. From the books. It is valonqar, we also have "older brother": lēkia and "younger sister": hāedar. Check the Valyrian wiki: http://wiki.dothraki.org/High_Valyrian_Vocabulary :) Cheers!
  2. High Valyrian

    Yes and no. It has 4 genders, but they are not masculine or feminine, they do not align with sexual gender. The 4 genders are: solar, lunar, aquatic and terrestrial. Check the vocabulary page: http://wiki.dothraki.org/High_Valyrian_Vocabulary (We are working on a comprehensive grammar page too, at the moment we have pages about different parts of its grammar.) So, while it has no masculine/feminine alignment on each word it does have some other kind of gender. For example, in the case of "Prince", the word is dārilaros, which means "who is to be king/queen", the word is of the solar gender but does not imply a male or female. But for example we have a word for "king" (male) dārys, which is solar, and a word for "queen" (female) which is dāria, and is lunar. Hope that cleared the question.
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  4. High Valyrian

    Just awesome: http://www.dothraki.com/2014/05/the-valyrian-word-for-hamster/
  5. High Valyrian

    Here you say that the fact that we have Ae-rys, Daene-rys, Ae-gon, "point toward a language that inflects nouns by case, gender and number very consistently.". Which is quite impossible to gather from just the proper nouns and the "consistency" is really hard to tell from the only 1 plural noun (with no singular stated). Here you say that compounds are rare for such a language, although most case languages do have compounds as I have demonstrated before. Also you say that it is difficult to find a marker in such a word as "rys" which contradicts even David's creating of many monosyllabic words, as the ones I have exemplified above. But just to remind you: rūs "baby", which even has the same number of letters. Here you state that "just looking at the info in the book" you gather how the word should be divided. There's no real evidence for this, the word could be split in many ways. No, it only means that it does not use any case in compounds, as so many other languages do. In fact why couldn't the word for "Dragon" be "drac" and the genitive "draca"? That's just a random thought to illustrate that there's nothing you can infer directly from the look of the word or its length. No reason to think the genitive was dropped. How could this even be if Latin itself has compounds of this same kind and is an inflected language? Furthermore, Old English is also another inflected language and also has many compounds. So your conclusions do not follow from what you say. David envisions High Valyrian not being too prone to compounding, but there's no "evidence" in the books and it's not "obvious" from the words. That's all I'm saying. Cheers!
  6. High Valyrian

    There's been a new post from David about the Valyrian language(s) worth reading: http://www.dothraki.com/2014/05/the-state-of-valyrian/
  7. High Valyrian

    Don't remember where I did this. You said the books were consistent about gender, when in fact they are not. There are just names, with no reference to gender other than the fact that names ending in -lla and -lle and occasionally -nne will be feminine (very Latinate, English-y). Then you talk about grammatical gender vs. biological gender which could not be in GRRM's mind since he's not that knowledgeable about languages. In fact some endings do suggest parallels: -nys/-nyra, -nya; we find that some endings only occur for feminine others only for masculine. We have Viserys, but Visenya, Rhaegar but Rhaella. It does seem Martin had in mind some endings that were indicative of feminine. What I mean by this is that there's nothing in the books that hints at the system DJP created, not that there's any problem with that, but your claims are unfounded. You seem to believe Martin knew Latin and wanted to emulate it. In fact in the history of fantasy-writing Tolkien's Eldarin is a more plausible model, even if you are affected by it indirectly. And how did Tolkien call Quenya? The Elven Latin. Certainly it's a language that has the function of Latin in Medieval Europe, but the aesthetics of Elvish languages still have a lasting impact in what is perceived as "fantasy language of lore". I don't think he had imagined the whole thing or had a particular language phonotaxis, that's way too sophisticated and he said he knows nothing about languages, he's not Tolkien, he himself said it, not me. I've never said there would be "lots of monosyllabic roots" having just a few is enough for -rys to appear. Latin has pēs "foot", ōs "mouth", rēs "thing", aes "copper", bōs "cow", mūs "mouse" (to list the most famous ones), and their compounds: bipēs "biped", aerifer, or how about centicēps "hundred headed"? And that doesn't make Latin any less Latin ;) There are hundred of ways you could have dealt with "rys" DJP just picked the one he liked the best, but there's no more reason for it than a different one judging by the books. Again I'm not saying this IS THE CASE, I'm just pointing out that you have no bases to think what you say so vehemently. It can be your opinion, but there's nothing other than opinion to support it, not the books. My comparison with Old English is to illustrate that compounds do not mean that the language doesn't have a genitive, they just don't give you that information at all, so it is very pertinent. You say this doesn't affect GRRM's idea about dracarys yet you say that this shows what the idea was? Make up your mind. To me it's quite clear that he wanted to evoke "draca" and "draco" and "dragon" and then added one of his "Valyrian suffixes" namely -rys (cf. Ae-rys [we have Ae-gon, Ae-ron], Vise-rys [we do have Vise-nya], Dae-ne-rys [we do have Dae-ron], Manta-rys). We can't assume anything from that one way or the other, that you like what DJP interpreted and then created is good, but don't say the books clearly show this because they don't. DJP doesn't like compounds for HV, that's ok, but don't tell me the books say that. It's just interpretation. ;) Note: Sorry if I sound too harsh, I don't mean to, but I wanted to make that point clear. Cheers!
  8. High Valyrian

    Neither Meereenese nor Astapori Valyrian are "creoles", they might have evolved from a creole or pdigin, but they are fully fledged languages by now. A creole is something else entirely. I would say that on the contrary, the phonology is basically Valyrian, it just retains some sounds that could represent a Ghiscari influence. This is a point to have in mind. Just like how "dragon-fire" is so very Chinese-influenced? :p I don't agree with any of this. Certainly it is a judgement call but there's no reason for what you say. First of all there's no hint at all of HV having "consistent endings of nouns/proper nouns point toward a language that inflects nouns by case, gender and number very consistently" as you say. In fact quite the contrary, Aerys is masculine, Daenerys is feminine. The only true point is that -lla and -a ending suffixes are reserved for females. Other than that, there's no consistent treatment at all and no hint whatsoever of cases, only that "valar" is supposed to mean "all men" in some way, but we have no singular. If this were true we wouldn't have a word like rūs which means "baby" in High Valyrian. So this is not true at all, "rys" could have meant "fire" and nothing would be wrong there. It's just a judgement call. Again I completely disagree with this. I can think of a ton of ways to divide "dracarys", for example "draca + rys" but also could have been "drac + arys" and "drac + carys" (with loss of a consonant). This again is a judgement call, it depends on what you want to get. In fact if we compare with the names, as you say, I would think the idea is "dra-ca-rys" (cf. Mae-kar, Rhae-gar, Ae-rys, Dae-ne-rys, etc). This is totally unfounded. A compound doesn't need to use the genitive, and such a compound can be found in a language with genitive, just think of Old English hronrād "whale-road, the sea", in which "whale" is not in the genitive. It is always a decision he takes out of many others. In fact compounds are frequent in Tolkien's elvish languages, which in many ways define the idea of the fantasy language.
  9. High Valyrian

    Yes, I am. And also I'm one of the few collaborating with the High Valyrian wiki.
  10. High Valyrian

    I don't understand what's "Wean" nor "Wesave". Just let me tell you that a High Valyrian language has already been created by David J. Peterson, so it's a fact now, and well, certainly the jury is still out on the subject as to whether the Westerosi language is actually English or is represented by English and unknown.
  11. High Valyrian

    Right you are! Thanks. Nice catch there!
  12. High Valyrian

    Well, he certainly already has a big vocabulary (close to 1,000 words if I'm not mistaken), but they haven't been released, unfortunately. About the writing system I agree with you, I hope they let him do it, that'll be mighty interesting. If you want to learn as much as you can about the language I would recommend this site: http://jdm314.livejournal.com/ It has all the information that's known about High Valyrian and Astapori Valyrian. The blog entries are very comprehensive and well done, so you can already get to learn all there is to know about the language. Also it includes notes and links to David Peterson's material on the language as featured on his blog, so this is the must-go site to learn more about it!
  13. High Valyrian

    Sorry, my friend, but you couldn't be more wrong. As far as we know, we had lots of instances of -is sounds. I don't get what you mean about "music", I speak Spanish and I think English is waaaay more musical than Spanish or Latin. I think that's very very subjective. I don't think it's right to say that "morghulis" is an exception, on the contrary is more common than I would have expected, also the fact that Latin has an -is ending doesn't mean that makes it Latin.
  14. High Valyrian

    No, they speak a bastard Valyrian with only a substratum of Ghiscari words. So, in fact, they speak a descendant of High Valyrian Take a look at this quote: Dany asks: "Missandei, what language will these Yunkai'i speak, Valyrian?" "Yes, Your Grace," the child said. "A different dialect than Astapor's, yet close enough to understand. The slavers name themselves the Wise Masters."
  15. High Valyrian

    Also I don't think "valar morghulis" sounds particularly Latin, certainly Latin had no "gh" sound, it reminds me more of a stereotypical "elvish" than Latin at any rate! I think this is absolutely subjective. I don't think Valyrian should be exactly like Latin, also it is a good thing that Valyrian has its own personality and not just a copycat of Latin. I find funny that you did like Dothraki and Valyrian was created by the same person, David J Peterson, but as I said, highly subjective matter, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, etc. ;)