Ygrain

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  1. It is obvious only after it happens, just like Patchface's rhyming about chains for the guests. And what is the purpose of the purple flowers that Arya is never seen wearing? What happened at that feast we never saw nor hear about? Do you really need to be explained the difference between Varys, who makes use of people as he sees fit regardless of who they are, and LF, who planned the demise of the Starks from the get-go? Or do you need to be reminded of the extent of Sandor's involvement with both Sansa and Arya? See below. Couldn't agree more. Sigh. My point is that the descrition fits both Jaime and Joffrey, who, being Jaime's son, has his golden looks, as well.
  2. Found Joffrey's Blackwater armour - part-gold: Boy and horse alike wore gilded mail and enameled crimson plate, with matching golden lions on their heads. The pale sunlight flashed off the golds and reds every time Joff moved. Bright, shining, and empty, Sansa thought. Funny how Sansa's thoughts fit with the imagery of Bran's vision.
  3. OT: Could someome help my memory if it has been discussed that the shadow "armored like the sun, golden and beautiful" is not Jaime but Joffrey? He also possessed a golden armour (had it for his funeral, haven't checked what he was wearing during the battle of Blackwater), and his involvement in the Starks' lives had a bigger impact than Jaime's.
  4. There is a difference between thining creatively and between making things up so that they "fit", sorry - besides, your hypothetical scenario doesn't fit, either, because if Arya was indeed wearing them, we would have a comment how she was lucky that she got the rash only on her arms. Besides, why would the vision show something so absolutely inconsequential that happened completely off page, as something to characterize Arya? It doesn't make any sense at all. If he was important enough to be shown in a vision just because he was there all along, then he should have got a honorable mention, at least in retrospect or something, and with Bran's interest in knights, he wouldn't have escaped his attention (you're forgetting that we have Bran and Jon's PoVs during the royal visit to Winterfell). No, he doesn't wear an armour, but Sandor doesn't have a hound's face, either - i.e., the vision is symbolic and the armour needn't be literal. LF's family sigil is the Titan (just like Sandor's are the hounds), which is a statue/fortess, i.e. stone (and bronze, I know). Furthermore, armour can be used in figurative meaning (e.g. Sansa's courtesy is a lady's armour) and stone is associated with lack of feelings and mercilessness (Lady Stoneheart), so there is a number of explanations why the armour may not be a literal one and still fit Petyr. Plus, that thing that both me and LM have pointed out before - even he is not there yet, LF has had an immense impact on the Starks' lives, the biggest of all the characters involved with them, and a negative one, so he indeed is a giant shadow looming over any other. But death and destruction is what he spreads, and his psyche under his smooth exterior is deadly and corrupt. I don't see Sansa as weak-willed, for one, and if she arranges the situation, or issues a killing order, she would be the one who killed LF even if her own hands remained clean.
  5. So the flowers that she was holding in her ARMS, are shown in a vision as serpents in her HAIR. Sheesh. Because 2-metre tall men are so easy to miss in the crowd, apparently. So, the vision showed us a person that no-one, the author included, considered important enough to mention, who has zero importance to two out of the three characters included in the vision and a limited one to the third one... It might have been Gregor, but if it was him, it definitely wasn't due to his proximity at the time.
  6. ???Where is this stated? The first time we see Gregor in AGOT, it's at the Hand's tourney. And why should he be escorting Robert, anyway? He's a Lannister vassal, not Robert's, and the three guards are Jaime, Boros and Meryn. It's definitely not JonCon, but not for the reason of proximity. At that point of the story, Jaime wasn't doing anything except being around, which is hardly worth placing him in a vision, and Sandor's only contribution is killing Mycah. It's Jaime's past (pushing Bran) and future (ambushing Ned and sending Brienne on the quest to find Sansa) that makes him significant, and Sandor later becomes involved with both Sansa and Arya. Gregor has zero connection to Sansa or Ned and there is no interaction between him and Arya during her capture, so there is no reason for him to be in the vision, either. Whereas Littlefinger is the reason why they all went to KL (had Lysa murder Jon Arryn and blame the Lannisters for it), and his betrayal of Ned directly caused Sansa and Arya's respective ordeals, not to mention that he is the prime suspect in enabling Jaime's ambush of Ned and manipulating Joffrey into executing Ned. If that doesn't count as a gigantic influence looming over other persons involved with the Starks' lives, I don't know what else might.
  7. You're welcome :-)
  8. Which is why I favour LF. His scheming has had an immense impact on Ned, Sansa a Arya's lives, and in this respect, Gregor doesn't fit at all - out of the three, he was involved only with Arya, and not even personally. There is no reason why the vision should point him out as the most important figure. And death on an immense scale is what his machinations cause, so that his twisted little ego can have the power and revenge that has consumed him. His smooth, unthreatening appearance is like a mask, or helmet, but when you look inside, you see him for what he is.
  9. The bells belong to the Red Wedding vision and it's a reference to poor Jinglebell with his little bells.
  10. I think those are valid points - Manderly doesn't want to pledge himself to Stannis but cannot afford to flat out refuse just yet, so he's basically buying himself time by dispatching Davos on... is it correct to say, a shaggydog mission? If Manderly was indeed the one who dispatched Rickon and Osha to Skagos, he doesn't really need Davos to go there, right? How Osha and Rickon got to Skagos is the only part of the whole story which I find potentially fishy, even though there certainly could be a plausible explanation how they got there and how Wex learned (in fact, the knowledge the two went to Skagos may not have come from Wex himself but from Manderly's own search after he learned about the survivors).
  11. That's what I think, as well. Either he was unconscious or pretended to be dead, and Ramsay's men didn't bother to do anything about the dead, they left them where they fell, no matter who they were. I don't see anything implausible here :-) Oh? And where does it say "they didn't find any bodies in godswood"? I've re-read the chapter, and it doesn't. There may have been bodies which either Bran didn't see because they were not along the path they took to the hearttree, or were omitted in the description because they were not important, just like GRRM doesn't describe every single body they encounter as they roam amongst the castle ruins the whole morning See above - it would have been perfectly possible for Luwin to drag himself there after Ramsay and his men were gone. In fact, it is the only explanation that makes sense, because had he tried to crawl there while they were present, they would have finished him off. As for the inconsistence between the people and voices, I think it is a matter of omission as well as a couple other linguistic knacks the names of which I have forgotten: the number given doesn't necessarily relate to the number of voices heard (and as you have noted yourself, it is technically only five people speaking, anyway). What Wex "said" is not, "I heard six people talking"; what he, with the intrusions from Manderly and Glover, says, is "I heard voices. There were six people who were supposed to be dead". It is completely irrelevant how many people were actually speaking under the hearttree, and poor Luwin is irrelevant, too because he is not one who had disappeared from the castle and had been presumed dead, and he died shortly after, anyway. Hence the discrepancy in the numbers: number six doesn't relate to everyone speaking or present but to the number of people who were supposed to be dead but weren't and are hugely important.
  12. Lyanna holding onto roses on her deathbed comes from Ned's memory of her demise in his very first PoV, it has nothing to do with the dream sequence.
  13. I'm afraid not, someone reported it here from a con, I think, and I've seen it referenced around several times since. I was never invested in it, so I didn't look for the link.
  14. Back then, Cersei was not Mrs Bobby B yet.
  15. In fact, this is further supported by the Kevan epilogue where he thinks that Cersei would have given him the sons he wanted - not meaning that Kevan knew what was going on in Rhaegar's head but that he thought wanting more sons was the motivation behind Rhaegar's actions, and didn't think such a motivation out of place.