Sorry: I have read again (too much interruptions while writing).
Are you saying that at France the Queen was named Fou?
Sorry that I understood that were the alfiles.
About saturanga right now I can't recall if it exists any queen. I know two elephants, also (I believe) 2 viziers. And what I recall more is that it could be played by 4 at the same moment (or at least that happened with the one that we had at home).
And maybe that can be also carry to tve books with so many players and differdnt interests.
I am not a chess master. All I know is reading so if I am writing something wrong I like to know and correct myself. I write here to learn. If I know everything I won't write. So thanks for illustrate me.
It is the first time that I read one writing Shartanj and not Saturanga.
I didn't know about the Russian implications at the game.
I still saying that the movements of the Queen were changed as a consecuence of powerful queens at 1400.
I can't say if the queens are the viziers and the bishop the elephants of the shaturanga.
But I know and I recognize that chess is important at ASoIaF. And do I like to find this connections.
And I hope that you also.
About the bishop as alfiles I know that I read about it long ago and that it changed the name at France, that after at England changed again I didn't know. Anyway I will try to find it to two you where I read it. What I can say that the french name wasn't Fou (at least I didn't recall that name, the crazy, it was another one).
You are forgeting about that people of the books can be arrenged as Chess (or Cyvasse) pieces.
Bishops were the viziers, the people that the King counsulted.
The movements of the Queen were improved by the importance of the Isabel I (Spain). Because Chess came from India, thru muslims to Europe. But it was France that changed the name of Viziers to Bishop due to the importance of Catholic religion.
I really think that is important all the references about each one play Cyvasse (it is telling how they think, how they react). We know that Myrcella is a good Cyvasse player. Better than Trystane.
Sometimes I have wondered if all Sansa at King´s Landing is a chess movement (a pawn that arrives at enemy terretory reaching the top then it is transformed at a Queen, because that is how chess moves). And I am sure that they are more chess implication at the books.
I really believe that GRRM has creates evidences of the power of all the religions. Only that the one of the 7 are more subtle than the others, and not always applies as the person who is prying want to. And maybe many of the examples are at the Sansa chapters.
Hi! It had been a while since my last post. But I was having that thoughts about Second Sons (not only the name where Daario Naharis was) but also the amount of characters that are second child. Sansa is the second one, Daenerys is the second one, Sandor, Nedd.
About the Lannister: there it can be considered by different points. One is the technical that Jaime was the second one (he came out graping Cersei´s foot), but if it is focus only on second sons then Tyrion is the second one. And Tommen also.
So there is the second child: Sansa, Daenerys, Sandor, Nedd, Jaime, Myrcella, Stannis, Margaerys, Quentin. And the second son: Bran, Sandor, Nedd, Tyrion, Tommen, Stannis, Loras, Trystan.
I can´t remember if it is posted something here about second childs. But I think interesting to think about it (more when I remember that Henry VIII was also a second son). I can´t get right now the idea that tie together all, and I will love to hear your ideas about it.
Ragnorak many times LadyHawk came to my mind when I read ASOIAF or see the show (IIRC Corseque at tumblr wrote a fantastic essay about Sandor and Navarre swords) but also the bird and the wolf, and the bishop guards that wear white clothes.