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  1. I agree that the events we're seeing were triggered by the death of the dragons. From things that were said in AWOIAF, it appears the dragons were a magically created countermeasure to the Others.
  2. I agree there is no plot hole. In fact, the NW requesting aid and being ignored or rejected is the story. The problem is that people don't believe what they are hearing, not that the NW isn't trying to warn people.
  3. The reason we don't hear about the response of Robb is based on the POV system. In order for us to know Robb's response we would have to have our POV near Robb hear Robb's response to it. Since Catelyn never hears anything about the request from the NW, we can assume that Robb thought the issue so minor that he dismissed it out of hand. And except for Stannis, that was pretty much everyone's response to the missives.
  4. How Daenerys will die

    The idea that magic is at times weaker and stronger is a constant throughout the book. If defeating the Others causes magic to disappear entirely in the world, then all things magical will cease to exist and/or function. If Jon is resurrected with magic, then Jon only continues if magic continues. This would not be a new concept in the book. Rather it is one that has existed from the beginning of the story. I have always been pessimistic about Dany's chance of survival (10% or less). I have always thought her story is one that leads to her death (I think she is Azor Ahai and AA is a sacrificial figure). My feelings about Jon were at first very optimistic. Once he was stabbed in ADWD I wanted to believe that he was only injured and would recover normally, never having died. However, if Jon is resurrected through R'hllor's fire, then it is very likely Jon also dies close to the end of the series. At this point I only give Jon 50-50 chances of surviving the book. I am also fairly certain he doesn't sit the Iron Throne. This is was a huge change in my thinking over the course of the books. After AGOT I was sure he would live and be king. But many other things have happened in the story and I'm no longer so optimistic about his chances.
  5. Possible Crackpot! One Stark sister will die in season 7!

    So, has any of the deaths since season 4 made any sense? I think readers of history or historical fiction place too much emphasis on what actually occurred in history. Just because GRRM uses history for inspiration doesn't mean he'll do it exactly the same. I don't know if D&D will either.
  6. Would a Manderly/Greyjoy alliance make sense?

    Actually, I'm going to correct you on one point. The Manderlys are not known for their large fleet. We the readers know that Manderly has 50 ships, but Westeros in general doesn't know that. Robb ordered the Umbers and Manderlys to build a fleet before he headed south. At this point Manderly's fleet is a secret. Manderly has a problem in that he doesn't have men with the skills to sail the ships he has built. That is the question I thought you were going to ask and, yes, I think Manderly could find some IB who were qualified to sails those ships.
  7. What is Jon Snow's real name?

    Either Jon Snow or Jon Targaryen. No matter what his first name is Jon. Ain't no way he's going to answer to anything else at this point.
  8. What is D and D's endgame?

    Aegon Targaryen the VI will sit the Iron Throne. However, in their version Jon Snow's "real name" is Aegon Targaryen. GRRM's end game, Aegon Targaryen the VI, will sit the throne. Only it will be the Aegon Targaryen we met in ADWD. Bwa-ha-ha-ha.
  9. How Daenerys will die

    What is logical? Dany dying in childbirth seems wildly illogical to me because it doesn't fit the story I am reading. I think MMD's statement to Dany was more of a "fuck you" than curse. The purpose of the incident with MMD is show Dany's evolution into someone who could sacrifice herself to save humanity. I see Dany's story as one of learning to let go until she is finally willing to let go of her life for the greater good. And the story of a woman who reaches for greatness but is defeated by her weak, womanly body is so cliché. There isn't anything edgy or ironic about it.
  10. Possible Crackpot! One Stark sister will die in season 7!

    Honestly, I'm kind of amazed that Sansa has made it this far.
  11. How Daenerys will die

    If Dany dies, it will be because she sacrifices herself to save the world. The idea of Dany dying in childbirth is uninspired to say the least.
  12. Well no wonder you're confused. Everything I have said is based on the idea that said lord is wanting to name someone other than the traditional heir. This should be obvious from the things I've said. I'm not blaming my writing at this point.
  13. Actually, at the core of it we agree. A lord may name any heir he wishes and anyone in direct authority above him can refuse to honor those wishes. You see that as yes the lord can name anyone he wants. I see that as no the lord can't name anyone he wants. To-may-to, To-mah-to.
  14. Damn, sometimes I feel I must be the world's worst writer. Your example of Rohanne Webber illustrates my point perfectly. However, you seem to think it disproves it. Before I address that though, let me answer first about the inheritance of the Iron Throne. It doesn't matter how much alike or different the rules for the king and other nobles are. The important thing is who is determining the inheritance. What the DoD proves is that the king doesn't have freedom to name his own heir. Whether through great councils or armed uprisings the nobles have a say in who sits the throne. Standard inheritance rules are mostly used, but there are measures in place to chose a different heir if need be. Now let's move on to inheritance amongst the nobles. For greater clarity let's review how people come to have land in the first place. Step one: All the land belongs to the king. Step two: The king names Lords Paramount for the seven different regions (plus Iron Islands). Step three: The Lords Paramount gives land to people who will answer directly to their Lord Paramount. Step four: If one of the vassals answering directly the Lord Paramount has enough land, they can give some to someone else and that someone else will then become their vassal. All of these people answer to the person directly above them. Are we agreed upon this basic principle? When an individual is given land they are probably given something like a charter at the same time (charter: a written grant by a country's legislative or sovereign power, by which an institution such as a company, college, or city is created and its rights and privileges defined.). Thus, the individual being given the land will know if they have use of the land throughout their lifetime only or if it can be passed to their heirs. Thus, the individuals don't have deed to their land (they don't own it), but have an agreement with the lord directly above them about who can occupy the land and for how long. Who can be their heirs is strongly defined by custom. If a lord doesn't have an heir, he can't just give it to that nice kid down the road. He has to get the permission of his overlord. The overlord will then decide if he will allow the proposed heir to take the land or have that land revert back to its original charter holder. In the case of Rohanne Webber, she was the proper heir. The laws and customs of Westeros suggested that she would be the lady of Coldmoat. However, her father wanted to be able to force her into marriage so he went to his overlord with a suggested amendment to charter between House Rowan and House Webber in this instance. Lord Rowan agreed to the stipulation because his sister was married to the suggested alternative heir. Lord Rowan lost nothing from this arrangement. Let's look at a few more instances. It should become apparent that no lord in Westeros has the right to name as heir or disinherit just anyone he wants. Looking next at the case of House Rosby, we can see why a family would want to avoid a succession fight. When Gyles Rosby dies a number of people (six I think), think they should inherit Rosby. The issue is taken to their overlord House Baratheon of King's Landing. Oops. Cersei looks at the wealth of the Rosby's and decides to pull the charter under the guise of no true heir. There is no doubt that someone else will be named as the lord of Rosby, but all the resources of the Rosby family are now gone. Let's look at the Tarly situation. Randyll Tarly thought Sam would have made a terrible lord because he was a fat slob who couldn't fight for his land. If a man was unfit for battle, then that man was unfit to be a lord. Surely the Tyrells would understand this reasoning and let Randyll pass over Sam for Dickon. They would find nothing wrong with this reasoning, right? Or maybe, the Tyrells would be against allowing Tarly to do this because it would cause more questions to be raise about their own heir, Willas. Let's look at the Tywin situation. It was beyond clear that Tywin didn't want Tyrion as his heir. However, Tywin neither acknowledge Tyrion as his heir nor repudiated Tyrion. Why not? Why hesitate? The answer is he didn't want to open the can of worms about inheritance. Tywin wanted to solve the situation without needing to go to his overlord (first Aerys, then Robert) since he might not be in control of the decision reached. Aerys enjoyed the fact that Tyrion was Tywin's heir and would never have let Tywin change. Tywin didn't ask Robert because he hadn't yet figured out how to get Jaime back. Notice that as soon as Lannisters were running the show he did try to get Jaime back and only it is only because Jaime put an end to that attempt that Tywin needed to continue to look for a way to get rid of Tyrion. Finally, let's look at the case of Lady Dustin. Lady Dustin is the instance in the novels where a wife was left as the sole heir of her husband. Usually, a woman would have needed to produced an heir to remain as the lady of a House, particularly one as prominent as Dustin. Why is she still in charge. Probable answer, William Dustin was the last Dustin. Since Ned felt guilty about the death of her husband, Ned allowed Barbrey to remain the lady of Barrowtown until her death. At that time another family will probably be given Barrowtown. Evidence for this, no Dustins are coming forward to complain about Barbrey still being lady. This is completely non-standard. Anyhow, this is the reason no lord in Westeros can name just any heir he wants - the land and title is not his to give.
  15. I have read numerous threads where this issue is debated and I have two thoughts. The first is that succession to the Iron Throne and succession in any of the nobles from Lords Paramount on down should be considered completely separately. The rules for one is not the same as for the other. Second: No lord, from Lord Paramount on down is free to chose his own heir. Every time a lord, no matter his level, must get approval from the throne. And I say this for a reason I've never seen given before. Every lord or landed knight enjoys their position due to the good graces of the king. The Lord Paramounts are put in place by the king and they control the territory they are given. For instance, we've been told the stories of how the Mormonts and Manderlys came to control the areas they control. So each guy can say who can have various pieces of property with anyone below them. Each lord can be overruled by the lord above him, with the king having the final word. So while custom says the person who inherits is the lord's eldest son, the king can place or remove anyone he wants as a lord. Therefore, if a lord wants to put anyone except his eldest son (or who ever custom dictates is the next in line) he needs to get the king's approval for this. This is the reason Tarly and Tywin couldn't just openly state they didn't want their customary heir to inherit. If they said they wanted someone else, then the king could step forward and name anyone he wanted. In order to place who they wanted as their heir, they had to figure out how to get rid of their legitimate heir. ETA: Hah, just noticed Lord Varys touched on my reason while I was still typing. I'm sooo slow.