Robin Of House Hill

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  1. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    As a practical matter, yes, the tests would have to be performed before each election. The logistical problem would be enormous. I'm trying to avoid your first paragraph, because while you are probably correct regarding their reaction, it raises the question in my mind, whether privileged people are due special consideration. Historically, if a non-privileged group does anything that gets them up in arms, the police arrest them once it passes a certain criteria. Should the higher probability of their reaction really afford them extra protection?
  2. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    Then there is no further point in communication. If you assume that I don't mean I say what I meant, what's the point? Is there some rule that applies to them that didn't apply to African-Americans?
  3. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    So we are faced with a choice of sitting back and allowing people to be harmed, or acting to end the reign of those doing the harm. What happens when there is no way to stop the harm and still abide by democratic principles? Since the test would be applied to all, left, right, and center, how is it a call for restrictions on the right, as you indicated below. You know, I had something to say, but the hell with it. I have my passport and the means to escape if I need to.
  4. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    Ser Scot, There is no perfect solution to this, What is served by having people who are incapable of understanding the issues, vote on them, except adhering to an ideal? And again, intelligence is not "know enough." Intelligence =/= Knowledge. Studying does not make anyone smarter. It makes them more knowledgeable. What those who are below the requisite intelligence do if prevented from voting, is problematic. What happens when the current authoritarian/reactionary crew stays in power, till the left becomes radicalized? What happens when a general strike starts and Trump, with the backing of the Republican conspirators, declares martial law. Where are those democratic principles which are supposed to save us, then? I love it how you assume that people who can't pass an IQ test or psych evaluation are on the right.
  5. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    FYI, the very framework of the US Constitution is based on rights for rich white men. If you haven't noted the reference in it to "other persons," or how long it was before women could vote. Use democratic principles when electoral districts have been heavily Gerrymandered to greatly favor Republicans? Like that's going to work. Voter turnout? Fanatics are highly motivated. Not so much, the others. And the left has no fanatics at the moment. The idea that we must constrain ourselves to working within a system that has created this problem, is like refusing treatment for cancer, because we want it to go into remission.
  6. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    That moment you realize it has to be replaced, but those in power, today would do so much worse.
  7. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    How about the elimination of the Senate?
  8. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    Or a constitutional amendment.
  9. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    The Senate is a big problem, there, especially since they "advise and consent."
  10. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    NLR A few weeks ago, I watched an interview of people who voted for trump. They were asked if he was doing a good job. Most of them said yes. They based their answers on what he wanted to do, rather than what he actually did. In other words, they were incapable of discerning wish from reality. I'm not sure if that speaks to intelligence, or cognitive ability. BTW. the irony is that the Electoral College was devised to deter a populist election, but did the exact opposite.
  11. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    Because replacing one unfairness with another, will only repeat the cycle. I don't know if what I suggest is within the realm of possibility, but the idea is to end the need for revolution.
  12. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    Finally, we get to the heart of the matter.In the past, IQ tests have been shown to have a bias against certain groups. A great amount of care would have to be taken to see that whatever test was used, was as objective as humanly possible to make it. It would have to be tested in all population centers to ensure that it was not biased by quality of education, had universally understandable questions was not biased against those with disabilities such as blindness or deafness. A difficult area would be how to make it fair to those with learning disabilities, because intelligence and ability to learn are not synonymous. Despite the difficulty, I do think an IQ test can be devised that is objective. Subjective results would not pass constitutional muster.
  13. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    I really wish you luck with that. I'm nowhere near optimistic in that regard. My all time favorite expression is, "If you cannot say what you mean, you can never mean what you say," yet you think that my saying people able to understand what they are voting for and not be batshit crazy, means I only want people who agree with me to vote. That only makes sense if all Trump supporters are presumed to lack intelligence and are deranged. Of course, if that is what you think, we may actually be in agreement.
  14. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    It is a representative republic, but it is not representative. If Idaho has the same number of senators as NY, that is not representative. If political districts have been Gerrymandered to give one party a decisive advantage over the other, that is no representative. I think you are trying to preserve something that doesn't really exist. So, can it still be called democracy when it has been distorted in that manner?
  15. Is Revolution The Only Viable Solution?

    Human life is less important than a process? Similar question that I asked Ser Scot. If Trump starts rounding up <group>, do you wring your hands and complain to Congress, which beside being complicit, would probably take months or years to rectify it, or is action to frotect those lives more important? Do we really have a democracy?