Le Cygne

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  1. In the A World of Ice and Fire mobile app it's clarified that Robb named Jon, but that's strongly indicated in the books. The authors of the app ran questions through GRRM and came up with a number of confirmations/clarifications. The book: The app: GRRM writes the appendix, and it is canon. The books make it clear why they call Bran a prince: "I don't have to tell you my dreams. I'm the prince. I'm the Stark in Winterfell."... "You are the Stark in Winterfell, and Robb's heir. You must look princely."... "Your brother's lost his kingdom," Little Walder told Bran. "You're no prince now, just a hostage." Also the show used the title, "Prince of Winterfell" as one of the episode titles. Theon calls himself Prince Theon when he takes Winterfell. He tells Bran, "I've taken your castle. It's Prince Theon now." Sansa could have very well meant Rickon (not Bran) when she said "My little brother cried when I left Winterfell." Show and books are different, the show often hand waves things. They seem to be holding to certain main story points, but how they get to those points is often very different.
  2. http://www.indiewire.com/2016/09/emmys-the-americans-keri-russell-matthew-rhys-win-1201727802/ Yep.
  3. That's right. Robb is king, has no legit offspring, Bran is heir. Then Robb thinks his heirs are dead other than Sansa, who he doesn't want, and so he names Jon. Robert had legit offspring, or so he thought, Joffrey. Cersei is not heir.
  4. [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Yeah, that was telegraphed. It's an excellent bet he's going to say this again...
  5. I knew what you meant, I wasn't saying the line from the book is ridiculous, but that we were kidding about the White Book pushed aside for incest... Jaime has come such a long way...
  6. Reminds me of the Grapes of Wrath... They ain't gonna wipe us out. Why, we're the people - we go on. (from the ridiculous to the sublime, that is...)
  7. Oh, that was terrible! Could they hear the audible groan from readers when he pushed the white book aside to have sex with his sister, surely they could.
  8. I don't know if anything is worth bearing Cersei and Euron...
  9. Well, they did say this, before the series began: http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-thrones-lost-1031645/ And this: http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/game-of-thrones-showrunners-on-changes-from-the-books.html
  10. Indeed. They spent a lot of time on that story, and they keep saying those earlier seasons matter, and they keep saying they hint, a lot (added a quote below...) The separation is part of their story, and there have been lots of hints since they parted. Books, Sansa keeps her feelings for Sandor to herself, but he brings her up to Arya, and he did on the show, too. They also had him tell her that he came back for Sansa, then later is told it's never too late to come back, and is sent her way.
  11. Yes, and I see you are writing passionately about jonsa, but this romantic chemistry you see, I sure didn't pick up. The showrunners said it had never even occurred to them to go there, all I saw was a brother and sister. And not a very warm brother and sister, l think the Jon and Arya reunion will be quite the contrast, in fact. As for picking up on SanSan, lots of viewers, show only, did, even the cast were saying "he loves you" and singing Beauty and the Beast during the show commentary.
  12. There's absolutely no indication that GRRM envisioned a romance for Sansa and Jon. There's nothing there. (By the way, he did say "there's something there" for Sansa and Sandor, books and show.) He said he was just making shit up in the outline, here's a recent transcript: And finally, if there's a romance in the books between Arya and Gendry, I bet it will be on the show. Maisie and Joe look fine together, and lots of people are interested in their story.
  13. Sandor is in his 20's in the books (there's a 15 year age gap, same as with Jaime and Brienne) and the author has repeatedly stated sexual maturity = adult in Westeros (he has also said Dany and Drogo is romantic and sexy). And Sansa is shipping herself with Sandor. She thinks about Sandor's cloak more than she thinks about Jon. She is grooving on Sandor's kiss, dreams of him naked in bed with her, and places him in her marriage bed, and much, much more. There's an elaborate Beauty and the Beast story for them, that began in the first book...
  14. Just remembering from what you said, there was also this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/03/11/ian-mcshane-game-of-thrones-is-just-tits-and-dragons/
  15. Sansa and Jon were raised as siblings, and consider themselves such. Comic Con: When Turner is asked if Jon and Sansa as something romantic will ever happen, she makes a face, everyone on the panel makes faces, the crowd laughs. Asked about issues if that happened, Conleth Hill says "deformed ones." Turner says they "have grown up together, they may as well be siblings, they have that sibling rivalry" and "nothing will happen." She says to Benioff and Weiss "If you make something happen, I am going to kill you. I don't want to take part." Weiss says "it hadn't occurred to us" to go there. As for Sansa and Sandor, the one Sansa is dreaming of kissing in the books, the showrunners stated Sandor is playing down in age (his 30's) and age gaps are common in period romances. They have an actual romantic storyline in the books, where they are both seeing each other romantically, based on Beauty and the Beast (the author even gave Sandor the Beast's lines), and the show has hinted along those lines. Also it's notable that they diverted her storyline, she's now in the north instead of close by to Sandor like she is in the books, but they headed Sandor north when he returned.