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  1. Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    Excellent point, thank you. Just to add, she was also framed for regicide and threatened by Littlefinger (and the show spelled all of that out, I quoted it on another thread). She's been passed from psycho 1 (Joffrey) to psycho 2 (Littlefinger) to psycho 3 (Ramsay) on the show.
  2. True. The bold are plot points, as is the separation. And GRRM has teased there's more to come in the story quite a lot. Recently he was asked about Sansa's sexual feelings for Sandor in the books and he answered about the show: "Well, I can use things like the internal narrative, I can take you inside a character's thoughts, which you can't do on a TV show, you just have the words they speak, you see them from outside, because a camera is external, while prose is internal." So he's saying Sansa keeps her feelings for Sandor to herself, books and show. It's a plot point, it's setting up a surprise when they meet again. He also has said before "there's something there" on the show, too. And there's more to come. It's pretty obvious things are not finished between them, anyway. Show, they had lots of scenes together, and hints after (they say they hint all the time, all shows do), the separation period is part of the Beauty and the Beast story. They become more like each other, she's tougher, he's softer, and they've commented on all of this. It's much better in the books, but it's on the show, too. Here's another quote: "By the way, Season 4 will be looked back on like Season 1 in that it is filled with subtext about what's coming, and it's so brilliantly written that you'll never know it."
  3. Yep, just thought I'd mention, the 4x10 script was made available, and they spelled out some things, like Sandor is "far stronger" than Brienne even weakened from the bite, and was "provoking" Arya to kill him. And in his return "mini-episode" (as Cogman called it), they had him carry a log by himself that it took several people to carry. So good setup for him to be in fighting form again. 4x10: But Brienne holds him off and the Hound, already weakened from his infected wounds, soon begins to tire... Even sick and exhausted he’s still far stronger than she is... HOUND You remember where the heart is? She nods. The Hound takes a deep breath and looks into the sky. There are no meaningful birds. There’s nothing to look at but rocks and sky and Arya Stark... Arya still doesn’t move. The Hound sees that he’ll need to provoke her to murder. http://www.emmys.com/sites/default/files/Downloads/Ep410_The_Children_Script.pdf
  4. Yep. Cogman is saying this: Brother Ray is a combo of two book characters (the EB and Septon Meribald). There are hints Sandor is hiding with one of them (the EB). George hinted but hasn't revealed that in the books yet. But Cogman wrote a similar storyline. They kept the essence of Sandor's book story, but adapted it. They were not going to build him an island, and they already cut LSH and much of the Riverlands plot, as well as Sansa's story, so the book story can't play out exactly on the show. In short, the show passed the books, and revealed it was Sandor. Indeed. Book story for Sansa and Sandor is extensive. Show story is there, but more subtle. My guess is the show is going there, too. Show is never as good as the books, but that's the way it is. They have a good Beauty and the Beast story, so might as well have fun with it... I gathered a bunch of quotes and references here: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/profile/36670-le-cygne/&tab=field_core_pfield_14 The showrunners knew how the books would end before the show began: Benioff and Weiss: We've talked through what the final episode, the final season will be... We can't wait to write that episode... (Fortunately for fans, Martin has given them inside knowledge about what lies ahead.) Bryan Cogman: And then George reads the outline every year, and gives his notes and thoughts... We've been teeing up stuff all the time, since season one. We've known answers to questions since season one, the fates of certain characters. The showrunners always planned for Sandor to come back: Did the you and the showrunners, David Benioff and Dan Weiss, ever consider leaving The Hound dead? Bryan Cogman: He was always going to come back, it was just a matter of how... Rory is such an amazing actor and the audience has such an investment in him. We realized he could anchor his own return storyline. We could cut to him and have his own mini-episode and he’d be able to hold it. Also on twitter: The Hound sort of sneaks up on the viewer as a main character over the course of the first four seasons. DVD Commentary (more commentary at the link above): Natalie Dormer: I'm sure Kit won't mind me saying as we are friends, but I was actually more excited about Rory's return than his... Ian McShane: My role is to bring him back, and he learns a bit of humanity from Brother Ray. Bryan Cogman: Yes, he does. We knew we wanted to bring him back this season, and it's interesting that in the books, Brother Ray is sort of a blend of a couple characters that actually Brienne encounters. And there's a hint that the Hound may be hiding out with one of these characters in the books, George hasn't revealed kind of what he's going to do with that yet, but we took that kernel and fashioned this storyline... It's a sort of paraphrasing version of a speech that one of the characters gives in the books. So George's soul is in there as well, as I hope it is in all the scenes we write, even if they're not in his book. -- Commentary for 6x07, talking about how the show revealed Sandor's return before the books They said when he returned he wants to live his life a different way: Benioff and Weiss: He's a more thoughtful person... He's really thinking about his past in a way he never had before... He's starting to see that there's perhaps a different way of living your life. Also here's the script from 4x10, Benioff/Weiss clearly say Sandor is trying to provoke Arya into killing him, that's subtext in the scene: (Also note they kept Sandor saying "your pretty sister"... easy to cut, but they kept it. And they added the "happy memory" subtext.) But Brienne holds him off and the Hound, already weakened from his infected wounds, soon begins to tire... Even sick and exhausted he’s still far stronger than she is. She’s unable to lift her sword arm... HOUND You remember where the heart is? She nods. The Hound takes a deep breath and looks into the sky. There are no meaningful birds. There’s nothing to look at but rocks and sky and Arya Stark... Arya still doesn’t move. The Hound sees that he’ll need to provoke her to murder. HOUND I cut down that butcher’s boy of yours, the ginger. He was begging for mercy. “Please, ser, please don’t kill me, please, please.” Bled all over my horse. Saddle stunk of butcher boy for weeks. Arya watches him, silent. HOUND And your sister... your pretty sister... I should have taken her. That night the Blackwater burned. I should have fucked her bloody. At least I'd have one happy memory. But Arya will not be provoked...
  5. Agreed. GRRM keeps saying it's on the show (he did so again recently). Of all the things that I've liked about the show, their story is right up there. But there are so few bright spots on this show.
  6. He goes there a lot about Jaime's gradual awareness of what he's done in the books. Brienne tells him it's wrong, and in a key moment he says this: "I've lost the hand I killed the king with. The hand that flung the Stark boy from that tower. The hand I'd slide between my sister’s thighs to make her wet." And then just before he rejects Cersei, putting her note on the fire, he dreams of the mother who told them it was wrong, too. "He dreamed they would be so strong and brave and beautiful that no one would ever laugh at them."... A tear rolled down her cheek. The woman raised her hood again and turned her back on him.
  7. I think that's more bad writing than anything else. Cersei was taunted by the commoners on the show, too ("brotherfucker!") If the spoilers are true, it's part of a montage. Like chaos is a ladder, they showed LF talking about putting chaos in motion, then look at the resulting chaos. Here they show them together, and others finding out they are related, and the wall falling.
  8. [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Yeah, that is a good sign, in the midst of bad. He should have been long gone.
  9. That is interesting, like he's there for his Lannister part, but not for her. When he leaves, I bet he takes the Lannister armor off. Wouldn't that be something if that shield belonging to Brienne's family came into play. He somehow gets hold of that, when he decks himself out in different armor.
  10. There was a case where half brothers of a father married his children to rob them their inheritance in the Stark tree, and they never included that on the show. Jaime and Cersei, Craster and his victims, and the Targs, there is an emphasis on narcissism and madness, yet more victims, and eventual doom. It's going to be a plot point, the way they structured the story, if it happens.
  11. She seemed pretty precise with those dragon strikes before: And here: And here:
  12. Yeah, much better to try to convince a lying psychopath to do the right thing, then to trust her, and in the process, give a dragon to the enemy. It's always better to engage the enemy with a small force in order to convince another enemy that you need help before you can engage the enemy.
  13. Yeah, not a fan of those costumes. (Also good point about Jaime's costume.) Oh, that would be nice, that's a side of life in Westeros that hasn't been explored much.
  14. [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Oh here's the new picture...
  15. [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Seven seasons later, same old Jaime.