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  1. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    She wasn't, I don't think. But right before she runs into William and Logan,during the encounter with the bandit gang it seems like she flashes back to a previous iteration in which she was shot by one of the bandits. She then uses that knowledge to avoid being shot by the same bandit and gets away. But it's been suggested that that flash between the two iterations of her loop is when we switched to 30 years ago Dolores.
  2. R+L=J v.162

    Wait, what? Jaime is still alive in the books. It seems he's being led into a trap, but still alive.
  3. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    No. The modern hosts are basically just made out of synthetic human body parts. It is technically possible that since Delores is the original host, she still has her mechanical parts in the modern timeline. But it's unlikely, at one point they mentioned that she's been repaired so many times she's practically new. Also I think it was said at one point that Ford's robot family are the only hosts built by Arnold still in the park. So I think Dolores had her mind transferred to a new type body at one point. Yeah. While as I said maaaybe Dolores is still mechanical in the main timeline, all the soliders William killed were also mechanical. So that should all but confirm that was in the past.
  4. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    One minor thing that I'm confused about is the lobotomization process. If I remember right in the first episode it seemed like it was protocol for hosts that became unexpectedly violent or otherwise glitched out in a disturbing way. (Milk revenge guy, Peter Abernathy) It wasn't totally clear, but I had the impression that lobotomizing them was a safety measure. Note that Old Bill was retired but apparently never lobotomized. Yet Clementine could still hold and presumably use a gun. Her ability to hypothetically use it on a human was the result of Theresa and Charlotte's tampering, but it seemed like all the lobotomy did was...well essentially what it does to humans in most cases. I get that the decommissioned hosts in the lower level have basically been Checkov's robot army since the pilot, but it seems strange to me why they would lobotomize the troubled ones to destroy their personalities and not just destroy them all together.
  5. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    I'm really surprised how many people think Logan has a better chance of turning out to be the Man in Black than William. There are way more clues that he's William. Also the Man in Black clearly has blondish hair, not dark like Logan's.
  6. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    Catching up on the thread I saw a few people wondering if Hopkins would return next season.
  7. Video Games: Thread Simulator 2016

    I actually think may have heard of this game before, but I probably never would have bought it had I not read this. This is exactly the kind of immersive and emergent storytelling I love in games. I'm gonna give it a try sometime soon. On another note, I know I once said the Division was not worth buying on one of these threads. The new Survival DLC is out and since I paid for the season pass and heard good things I reinstalled the game to give it a shot. It is by far the most fun I've ever had playing The Division. It's a single encapsulated (~2 hours long max) mission where you start with almost nothing and have to compete with 24 other players for resources across the whole map. I haven't even touched the PvP mode yet. Honestly their virtual map of NYC was always the games best asset, and it's great to see them repurpose it for some end game content that's actually fun. It's also worth noting they've changed the interiors of buildings a lot and added a blizzard. Another plus is that since it's it's own sorta mode, it doesn't matter if you only have lower level gear in the main game.While at the same time the rewards you get do apply to the main game. So it was a great place for me to jump back in after such an absence without getting floored by players with max gear score. Anyway I really can't recommend it enough.
  8. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    I don't see how that's proof, unless we can be sure there was only ever one "critical failure"/"incident." Which we can't. The idea is that Dolores went on that spree and killed Arnold about thirty-five years ago, the William timeline is about thirty years ago, and all the other stuff is current. So Dolores can flash back to the events leading to Arnold's death while with William without creating any conflict.
  9. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    I think it'd be more like he realizes she was never capable of loving him and is just a robot. That would be a punch in the gut, but I don't think it drives him to "turn evil." Rather I think since he had so much fun in the park/it made him feel alive and the hosts are all just robots anyway why not keep going back and having more fun killing them? Then he realizes after his wife's death that his violent acts against these fake people have affected his personality in the real world. Then he see's something in Maeve that makes him think the hosts do have the potential to be truly alive and sets out on his suicide mission.
  10. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    I don't think this is the case. It seems to me that for most of that time he was filling what he saw as a void in the park by being a villain. Then he had the incident with Maeve the year before and since then has been trying to awaken Dolores and the others via the maze. Edit: Hey does anyone know if Jimmi Simpson is coming back for season two? It wouldn't prove anything either way, but I'm inclined to think that if William is the Man In Black he probably wouldn't. They'd do the reveal and show the incident at the end of this season and then probably only have the one timeline next season with Ed Harris playing the character.
  11. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    I do think he plans on dying. He said at one point that he was never leaving the park this time. I think either he plans to die as a means of carrying out Arnold's mission, or he hopes to become an "enlightened through trauma" host and live forever. To that end I could see the WIlliam is a host version of MiB theory working better than the two timelines theory. Either because MiB wants to make his younger host self self-aware and then somehow upload himself into him. Or because Ford created host versions of William and Logan specifically to poke at the MiB. Obviously Ford wants MiB to succeed, and why is a huge question mark at this point. So it's possible Ford helped MiB continue on so he could eventually meet his younger robot self. Edit: I don't think I was very clear here in my original post, but the idea was that it'd be similar to how Theresa thought Bernard brought her to the hidden room despite his programming, but in reality Ford told him to bring her there. We're meant to think Ford wants the Man in Black to succeed for some reason. But it's possible he wants to lure the MiB to a specific site just to reveal something to him and have him choked out by someone he thought he had a connection with. As usual, I'm just thinking out loud.
  12. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    Well it wouldn't really be three timelines, so much as two timelines with flashbacks to a major past event. So you think when he dragged Dolores to the barn in the first episode he was just having a bit of sadistic fun before starting his maze quest? Cause I figured he had started with her, we just didn't see exactly what information he got from her in that barn.
  13. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    Yeah I guess that could work, I was imagining that they'd be sleeping in the same building at that it would seem really weird if Delores just wandered off for the night and showed up the next morning with no explanation where she had been. From an interview with the director of the last episode: So maybe there's still hope for Elsie? Also I was thinking the Man in Black's description of killing Maeve and her daughter seems like it could be a pretty big mark against the "he is an older William" theory. He talks about how he'd never seen a host be "truly alive" before, when William seems to be witnessing Delores having her own awakening. Though I guess it's possible he's talking about something other than what's going on with Delores. That the awakening caused by pain and suffering is different than Delores just going off loop and suddenly being able to shoot other hosts. Also he says that was when the maze was revealed to him. I can't remember, is William aware of "the maze?" has Delores used those words to him?
  14. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    Nah man, Logan's dad runs Delos. When Logan dies WIlliam marries Logan's sister and takes a(and eventually the) leadership role in the company. William/MiB surviving the "critical failure" might also explain why "that guest gets what he wants." even if he's not the board member sent to evaluate the park.
  15. HBO's Westworld(v4)- What door? [spoilers]

    The idea is that her thing with William was the first time she went "off loop*" and she has occasionally wandered off in the thirty years since. The Stubbs scene has to be intentionally misleading for William==MIB to work. Again the main sticking point for me is why does the show hide the fact that Delores is with two guests from Stubbs at that moment? There's really no reason for that other then deliberate misdirection. *You could argue the time she shot everyone in the proto-Westword was the first time she went "off loop", but I dunno that she had a loop back then. Also I think that was her just following Arnold's revenge code. Edit: I think if anything this is actually an argument in favor of William==MIB. Just like Bernard's conversations with Delores while she was camping with William and Logan, Ford's interrogation of Delores makes a lot less sense if everything is effectively linear. Otherwise we have to assume that For had Delores faint in that parade in Piraha, then had her taken to HQ. Then spent time talking to her, and then somehow replaced her without William or Logan noticing...It does not make sense. Especially given how protective William is of her at that point.