Petyr Targaryen

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  1. I'm pretty sure that's King's Landing. It's conceivable that after Dany defeated the Lannister army, she sent the Dothraki to meet up with the Unsullied and escort them back toward KL. So at least Dany's going with an army. I also noticed that Dany herself isn't in the preview at all. My theory is that the vision Bran had in Season 4 of a dragon flying over the Red Keep will be next episode when Dany flies into the meeting with Drogon.
  2. Yea, I would agree with this. Jorah received a pardon from one of Varys' little birds because of the information that he supplied allowing Robert and Co. to initiate the assassination plot. Varys absolutely could not have foreseen Jorah turning his cloak at that point. And since Varys was able to get one of his birds all the way over there so quickly, it seems likely that Varys would already know that Viserys was dead; so I don't think it makes sense to say that Varys wanted to kill Daenerys in favor of Viserys. So for now I'll add this in my original post until it's disputed again. I wouldn't call this a plot hole. More like a budget hole. They can only have so many WW on screen at once simply out of budgetary restraints (just an educated guess). I agree with the first two being plot holes. As far as the third one, I feel like when Roose said "Ramsay has his own way of doing things", I think he was really referring to the fact that Robb had offered amnesty to the Ironborn who surrendered but Ramsay didn't honor that and decided to take Winterfell and burn it down. I don't think Roose expected Ramsay to flay and de-member Theon (especially considering that at that time Roose did not consider Ramsay a Bolton and wouldn't have approved of him flaying anyone in representing House Bolton).
  3. In the official episode description, it says that "Daenerys receives an unexpected visitor." I doubt that this is Jon just yet. According to the preview, it seems that Jon is just finding out about Daenerys at Dragonstone (Bronze Yohn saying a Targaryen can't be trusted). It's possible that Jon receives Sam's letter and decides to travel to Dragonstone to ask Dany for help. But even if Jon asks LF for his jetpack, I don't see him leaving Winterfell and arriving in Dragonstone in the same episode. With all that being said, I believe the unexpected visitor will be Melisandre. 1) She's headed south already. 2) Finding "fire made flesh" (i.e. Dany's dragons) seems like a logical thing for her to do. 3) Dany is at Dragonstone where Stannis used to be. It would also make for an interesting reunion when Jon and Davos show up there (most likely in 703).
  4. So with the airing of episode 701 on Sunday, thoughts of plot holes were reawakened from their yearly slumber. I wanted to create a definitive list of all the plot holes in Game of Thrones (show only). Please post any plot holes you've found and I will add them to this post (and include your name). For this list, I'm not looking for things like how Littlefinger travels from A to B so quickly, how did Arya survive getting stabbed by the Waif, characters knowing about things as if they had been tuning into Westeros Nightly News, etc. I consider this lazy storytelling, not plot holes. I'll include a few plot holes below to get started. Note: differences between the show and books don't count as plot holes. Lord Commander Jeor Mormont sent Alliser Thorne to King Landing to lay the wight hand (that Ghost found in Season 1) at Joffrey's feet, but that never happened. Petyr Targaryen Melisandre removed her necklace to take a bath in Season 4, but did not transform. Petyr Targaryen Where in the world is Gendry? Petyr Targaryen The Northern Lords seem to not care whatsoever that Jon Snow deserted the Night's Watch. Petyr Targaryen Varys sends an assassin to kill Daenerys then later supports her claim. YoungGriff89 Talisa Magyr was a member of a Volantene noble house killed in a Westerosi civil war with no consequences or outrage. YoungGriff89 The Kingsguard that was sent to Dorne with Myrcella was AWOL when we see Myrcella again in Season 5. YoungGriff89 Also, discuss anything you may be unsure is actually a plot hole. For example, I've heard many people say that we never found out who the Son of the Harpy is, but that's because most people assume that the SotH is a singular person. Although that's quite possible in the book, it's more likely that in the show the SotH was just a guerrilla force that was being funded by Volantis, Astapor, and Yunkai. Feel free to correct me on this.
  5. Okay, you're right on number one, my mistake. And for number 2, I wasn't saying that he was, that was my overall point. When I said why would we? I meant, yea he wouldn't. And that's why I'm saying he gave Ramsay Rickon, because he knows he wouldn't trust him otherwise. Number 3 is in fact different than number 2. I meant that previously, he didn't swear fealty to Roose and he's still not swearing fealty to Ramsay. As for the rest, I'm being hopeful that that mantra remains true with the Umbers. No guarantee of course. D&D can do what they want, as they've shown in the past. A lot of people are saying the Manderlys are going to turn, but I think it's more likely (using the show for evidence) for D&D to give that role to the Umbers seeing how they played them up this episode and we've known about them since Season 1. Manderlys haven't been mentioned til now, and we still haven't seen them. So who would care if they turned? It's almost too obvious. But then again, D&D don't always subscribe to logic.
  6. Honestly, I'm still not entirely sure that the Umber's are completely turning their cloaks here. Let's look at the evidence: 1) Ramsay remarks that the Umbers are famously loyal and SmallJon says, "to the Starks". 2) The Umbers refused to pledge their banners to Roose previously. So why would SmallJon suddenly pledge fealty now? He says that he needs the Boltons' help to fight the army of Wildings coming south. While that may be true, it seems quite possible that SmallJon is only using that as a pretense to get Ramsay out in the open. SmallJon probably heard all kinds of things from his father about Roose and it may be that SmallJon is a lot less intimidated by Ramsay. 3) SmallJon also refuses to kneel for Ramsay. He completely sweeps this under the rug by bringing out Rickon and not saying another word about swearing an oath to Ramsay. Ain't that suspicious? Now yes, he brought Rickon to Ramsay. And yes, he killed Shaggydog. But so what? I don't think this necessarily means anything definitive. Ramsay may try to flay or kill Rickon because his claim to the North is stronger than his own. But SmallJon could easily say, let's keep him alive to draw out Jon. The North remembers and they know no king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark.
  7. It's hard to know who exactly Jon will execute. Thorne is most likely a definite. Also the others who actually stabbed him. I also wouldn't be surprised if he executes Olly too but I wouldn't be surprised if he spared him too. As far as the other NW who were either complacent in Jon's murder or who supported Thorne, they could get the axe too. And the NW is hardly a force at all on their own. The remaining NW are likely to be just fodder for the NK's army and Jon will know that. He may just try to convince them all to ride south with him to rally the North. After all, the Wildlings + NW are not even close to large enough to do anything against the WW. And because Jon doesn't yet know about Dany (or isn't yet considering her a factor), he's definitely going to try to amass the largest army he can and the North is currently his best bet.
  8. Jon Snow doesn't need to be LC to want vengeance and/or justice. I feel like he's going to be less merciful and just decide okay these guys need to die and just execute all of them. There are also far more Wildlings at Castle Black right now than there are NW, not to mention Wun Wun. And since Edd led all the Wildlings against the majority of the remaining NW, I can't imagine Jon would face much resistance in wanting to execute the mutineers. Also, Ned executed a deserter in episode 101 (desertion is considered treason) and he had no connection to the NW; he was simply Warden in the North exacting Northern Law. There's no reason Jon can't do the same, especially if he is to become Jon Stark (or leader of the North anyway).
  9. From Olly's perspective, Wildlings massacred his whole village and his parents. Wildings. Not a small skeleton group. Wildlings. He's a kid. I think it would be very difficult for him not to be bigoted. It would also be pretty difficult to not be swayed by people who hate the Wildlings as well. Especially because he was taught that the job of the NW was to fight Wildlings. Now, that being said...yea he's getting hanged.
  10. Remember that Beric said that every time he came back he was a "little less". I expect the same with Jon being less merciful and forgiving. So because of that, I would not be surprised if he executes everyone directly involved in his assassination, including Olly. I also believe that by now Jon knows that the wildling and the NW are not nearly enough to stop the WW. He'll probably turn his attention south to attempt to rally the North, using the wildings to defeat the boltons to gain control of the North. So honestly, given all that, Jon will probably nuke the NW.
  11. welp, so much for that
  12. Ellaria is in this one:
  13. Yes, that is what I am insinuating. Otherwise, Doran and Trystane would have absoluely nothing to do. I refuse to believe that D&D bungled Dorne that badly. Yes, Dorne last season was cringeworthy, but I like to stay optimistic about the possibility that D&D chose to introduce Dorne that way last year to prepare viewers for a bigger role for Dorne this season. And yes, Tyrion does seem to be releasing the dragons in the trailer, but I highly doubt he'll follow Quentyn's fate. Trystane may play a Quentyn-type role towards the end of season 6. Asha/Yara is apparently going East this season so it's entirely plausible that Trystane will as well.
  14. So I was just thinking about Doran and Dorne's role this season. Doran allowed Jaime to take Myrcella home under the condition that Trystane be able to sit on the small council. Seemingly, Ellaria and the Sand Snakes killed Myrcella unbeknownst to Doran. But I have a problem with this. I find it very hard to believe that Doran would just let Ellaria and the Sand Snakes go after trying to kill Myrcella. It seems more likely that he knew Ellaria and co. would attempt to kill her again. If he let this occur, then he could weaken the Lannister's position, especially Cersei. And he could also plead innocence in Myrcella's death. He openly sent his son and heir to KL, which seems unlikely for him to do, knowing Cersei. But if he knew that Myrcella would be killed, he also probably thought that Jaime would send Trystane home, assuming Doran and Trystane had no involvement. This also seems likely for Jaime to do, to spare an innocent boy from Cersei's wrath. Cersei will want revenge and Doran could openly execute Ellaria. She's not his blood and never married into the Martell family. This may not satiate Cersei completely, but may satisfy her enough for Dorne to remain neutral for the time being. Ellaria's execution would also satsify Trystane because he'd feel justice is done. This would then allow Doran to send Trystane to Meereen to court Dany. This is total blind guessing and I'm using what I know about Doran from the books to inform this theory. But please let me know what you guys think.
  15. Well I think what he meant was that even people who are bad on the surface can have hearts of gold, i.e. Jaime (though he still pushed a kid out of a window). And even people who are good on the surface can do pretty bad things: previous posters have been talking about though Barry is honorable, he did kinda let Aerys kill all of those people. I mean even Ramsay and Joffrey have some endearing qualities, even if they're small in comparison to their evilness.