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  1. I don't know, a lie is a lie honorable or not. Ned lied to the world when he declared Jon Snow as his bastard son. He had a choice of betraying the honor to his friend King Robert or his sister Lyanna. The way I see it, if Jon dies in the war versus the Undead his lie doesn't matter. If he survives the war versus the Undead, Jon has no obligation to fulfill a promise to serve a queen who did not hold up her end of the deal. Jaime explained it quite well, "if the dead win, they come down and kill us all. if the living win, they come down and kill us all for the betrayal" But now that I think about it, I bet if Jon bends the knee to Cersei she would probably do the exact same thing as she is doing now so in the end none of it matters and Jon not only saves some face by sticking to his word with Dany but he also got to make babies with the Khaleesi. That was Jon's plan all along, Jon = win lol
  2. Hehe, it's a good theory but the show has been pretty obvious with some the important details as of late ie. killing the White Walker kills those he summoned, killing the NK is the ultimate end game, NK set up Jon and co. to get an undead dragon, Rhaegar/Lyanna lineage for Jon. If I were Jon, I would err on the safe side and let everyone know every detail about what they know about the Undead army. There has been no hint of the Night King's powers only working North of the Wall. That would be far too naive to ignore that major detail. Dead is dead north of the wall or south of the wall by the information we have from the show now. It would be kind of cheesy if the dead south of the wall rise up to fight along side Jon/Dany but ya never know! So by your logic, are you saying that Jon just buried all those corpses after the Battle of the Bastards? That would be no sense. I still need an explanation as to why the show made a point in showing Jon ordering for Rickon be buried in the Crypts of Winterfell, "where he belongs" he says something to that effect. He should have burned him so that he doesn't come back as a Wight, a far worse situation to have to see your little brother start fighting as a Wight. They burned the Nights Watch brothers and technically they were south of the Wall at Castle Black.
  3. If Jon had learned about how his "father" Ned was the keeper of one of the biggest lies in Westerosi history about Jon's lineage, I think he would have followed suit and bent the knee to Cersei in the understanding that there is a far, far bigger picture than who's allegiance he pledges to and his whole idea about what "honor" means. Ned saw the bigger picture when it came about raising Jon as his own and sacrificed his honor for the sake of his nephew of royal decent. It wasn't important at that time that anyone knew about Jon, I think what was more important to Lyanna and her promise request was that Jon be kept safe and schooled well. By the time of that promise Rhaegar was dead, his family was dead and there was no real future for Lyanna if she had survived to explain it all. Ned's biggest lie in regards to Jon was the most honorable thing he did in his life. Ned risked the lives of his own family and all of its history for Jon, for the bigger picture. If Jon ends up fulfilling the PtwP prophecy, Ned ultimately saved Westeros using a lie. Jon will probably end up just like Ned in the end, never knowing about his lineage and go on sacrificing his own life for his distorted idea of what he was taught "honor" was from his "father".
  4. By the was things are going, Jon and Dany are heading towards a tragically romantic ending ie. Rhaegar/Lyanna and similar to Robb/Talisa in the show. Thematically, Martin seems to not favor the heroic/romantic fairy tale endings as in other stories. Too predictable and not accurate to what happens in real life. The Martin version of "love" in his story has literally caused thousands of people to die throughout Westeros, why? Because someone fell in love with someone who was forbidden to them. Robert/Lyanna/Rhaegar, Robb/Talisa, Littlefinger/Catelyn/Lysa, how many people had to die just because of these romances. Just saying that the ending with Lannisters ruling or even the Greyjoys ruling over what is left of Westeros would be a fitting end. If Tyrion ends up on the Iron Throne by way of him being a secret Targ or through an election, he can still honor his marriage to Sansa making her the "younger, beautiful queen" to succeed Cersei as well as the Valonqar prophecy of either Jaime or Tyrion ultimately destroying Cersei some how.
  5. I wondered why Jon never informed the special counsel in Kings Landing to start burning their dead rather than burying them. I think that that is an important step to mitigating the Night King threat. The Night King's ultimate plan may have always been to let the Seven Kingdoms kill each other and then use the dead to get rid of the rest of the people. We saw how he planned it all out to get Viserion as his Wight, proving that he is the most strategic villain in the show so far. I would hope that he did at least tell Dany to burn all of the corpses from the Field of Fire battle. Easy enough when you have a dragon. Also interesting that he never even thought about burning Rickon's body after the Battle of the Bastards. Will the dead Starks make a return when the Night King comes to Winterfell? Jon may have to fight Ned, Rickon, Lyanna and the whole Stark gang in the crypts if it gets that far. Unless their is some special magic protecting the Winterfell Crypts, could the Undead Starks make a hero's return to life ala Uncle Benjen who died but never turned completely Wight?
  6. Looking back on S7 again, it seemed to me once Drogon and Jon "hit it off" Dany was wooed from that point on. It just so happens to be the fact that Jon is part Targaryen is the main reason why Drogon was welcoming to Jon, unbeknownst to either Dany or Jon. It is the ultimate sign of approval if your kids like the new potential mate. Dario never had that relationship with any of the dragons. The only other "Targ" who was amicable with the Dragons was Tyrion, if you had to choose which relative to make babies with who would you rather have? In the end I think both Jon and Dany will indeed perish saving Westeros on their dragons and it will come to light that actually Tyrion is a Targaryen and then he has the rightful claim to the Iron Throne. It may appear as though the Lannisters win the Game of Thrones but it is actually the Targaryens. Bittersweet ending complete.
  7. Yes but in the end Jon got laid for being honest, win. Screw Westeros, Westeros screwed both Jon and Dany over from birth. They should be pissed off at Westeros and here they are sacrificing multiple lives for them.
  8. All's I have to say is...
  9. Jon is also the Drowned God by coming out of that cold water. Did anyone else make that connection?
  10. This is pretty obvious that Arya in the show appears to have "lost it", but I am starting to think Bran saves the day at the last second and reconciles the sisters. I would hate it too, but what a way to cap of those shenanigans Arya getting stabbed in the stomach 3 times and go on living crap back in S6. A cheezy ending for a cheezy storyline. But there is still hope they redeem this plot at Winterfell. If this is true then Arya might as well be the Waif in the spirit of the Faceless Men. She is a Fake Arya lol. I doubt she will ever see Jon again to find out.
  11. It's either one of 2 things, both involve a plot twist in the cheesiest way possible. - Arya is not Arya but is actually the Waif and Arya really died back in Bravos. She seemed very creepy and sounded much like the Waif with her words. Perhaps the Waif or Jaquen Hqar made it to Winterfell before the real Arya and perhaps a nod to the book's Fake Arya. - Or (this actually makes the most sense) Arya is blackmailing Sansa into killing Littlefinger herself to prove her loyalty to her family again. Look at the way Arya gave Sansa the dagger that was used to try and kill Bran. This is mob speak by Arya to basically prove Sansa's loyalty to House Stark once again or else face the wrath that is Arya. Arya has her sister dead to rights and she finally wins versus Sansa. I think it is safe to say that even though the show portrays LF winning the spy game with Arya, it's all a roose Think about it, how the hell can LittleFinger out-spy a Faceless assassin that can morph into anyone they want? Arya has LittleFinger all figured out and how he works the game, she doesnt even need Bran to tell her.
  12. My thoughts on this horrible Sansa/Arya plotline is that... I think that this is something that probably isn't even in the books when they come out. I cannot imagine George writing something out of DeGrassi High drama. If I were Sansa, I'd be freaked the f%ck out if all of my brothers and sisters came back and one was dead and resurrected, one is crippled and is a mind zombie, and my little sister is the most sinister spy-master/assassin/murderer there is. Sansa has to be going nuts at this point. The only redemption for Sansa now is that she is actually slow playing her hand and being one step ahead of LF. I highly doubt spymaster Arya hasn't already figured out LF by this point, Arya is well-trained and he spying has been done off screen. I saw a face that looked like the new maester, so it is a safe bet that he has been her this whole season. Think about it, that was the Bolton's maester - he should be dead in Arya's mind. But she can also wear faces of people who are alive so Arya probably spied on LF wearing the face of that girl she saw spying for LF. The girls conspire this whole plan to wrestle the Vale army away from LF and Robin.
  13. To me it seems to be an easy explanation on Sansa's part, she figuratively had a knife to her throat while writing it. Geez, even Cat and Robb knew that the instant they got the note. Now Arya's not that stupid and would and should comprehend Sansa's scenario at the time.
  14. I enjoyed that scene. Especially the smirk Arya had the entire time, epic! Bronn says it best when he told Tyrion that the Goldcloak armor would just slow him down. Bronn would have held his own in a fight against the Hound, plus Oberyn proved that quickness and agility can out duel a heavy armor knight. Lets not forget that Sir Jorah was bested by the Bravosi in the fighting pits before the cliche spear/sword in the back saved his life!
  15. Why no Ghost? I have been severely disappointed with the lack of presence of Ghost in Jon's story this entire series. Dragon have been great, but Ghost is such a huge part of Jon's character - he should at least be at Sansa's side some of the time, at least moping around WF.