Tyryan Lannister

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    Hand of the King Heretic, Lord of the Tundra, Drinker of Beers

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  1. It's interesting that it's the Crone, the personification of knowledge and wisdom, that lets the first crow, the harbinger of death (or doom), into the world. A bit of hidden knowledge from the old Andals about delving to deeply into the mysteries of the world?
  2. Well. the evidence we have is not that Torrhen was hoping to do anything with the arrows, but rather his bastard brother, Brandon Snow. And, Brandon was the leader of the group that approached Aegon with terms (whether to actual negotiator at the end was Brandon or Torrhen I could not discover). http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Brandon_Snow
  3. But the comet comes during the awakening. For Ice, we have the direwolves, the various dreams, Bran's fall/crow stuff, and increased WW activity prior to the Comet; for Fire, we have Dany and the feelings/dreams with the eggs. Yes, the comet does have something to do with the whole thing, both considering its timing relative to the birth of the dragons and the fact that various magic users talk about an increase in potency with the comet sightings. However, unless the actors knew it would be coming, the comet cannot be the trigger due to it appearing after some of the ground work was done. Plus, just semantics, but there is definitely a correlation. You cannot reasonably argue against that. Causation? sure, you can argue that. Degree to which they are related? Undoubtedly arguable. Correlation? The simple fact that they (the Starks, the Targs, the relationships between Ice and Fire) are magical and exist in the same universe implies a correlation. Also the weirwood dreams that Jaime keeps having whenever is in contact with the stuff
  4. Let's also not forget that Jaeherys and Allysane bringing their dragons with them on their trip North was supposed to first time in _____ # years (possibly in forever) that a dragon was that far north could have something to do with it as wel
  5. Add in GRRM's propensity to turn real-world customs on their heads (in this case, the importance of patrilineal descent)...
  6. Getting back to the questions about what caused the "awakening" among the Starks and others, maybe it's Jon? Assuming RLJ, Jon is the first Stark who is the child of a ruling Stark's daughter to be raised at Winterfell in quite sometime (looking at the family tree, can't really pinpoint anytime recently where a daughter of the ruling lord raised her son at Winterfell). Maybe this is what the "Ice side" has been waiting for? A matrilineal Stark to be raised in Winterfell? And it just took circa 15 years for the pieces to start coming into place? I will always be among my northern brethen
  7. If you take out the part with Rhaegar dying, all the tragedies tend to line up with being necessary acts to hasten both bringing Rhaegar to the Iron Throne and uniting the Stark and Targaryen bloodlines--if Bloodraven had anything to do with it, he obviously screwed up somewhere...could very well be something where the Greenseer is not able to actively influence, but rather can implant dreams and/or ideas, but that it is still ultimately the choice of the individuals that decides the outcome
  8. And Bloodraven was in position well before that--if he had an involvement, it could have been to try to hasten Aerys' removal for __________reasons
  9. I can't help but wonder what part Bloodraven has to play beyond being the teacher to Bran. While we know when he went missing; we don't yet know the actual details of his leaving the Watch, nor his involvement in anything prior to Bran's fall. For all we know (and, yes, I know I'm approaching Big God Comes and Manipulates mode), he could have been the reason Aerys went truly mad in the first place.
  10. True, but Jon Arryn was a few days dead, and Robert had made his mind to get Ned as his Hand possibly before Gared even got south of the Wall (which is to say, don't really know the exact timline of when Gared fled and how long it took him to get caught versus when Arryn died and the raven was sent, but, given that Cat has the message in hand on the day of the execution, we know that Arryn died at least a small number of days before the day of the execution and the finding of the wolves. And Ned had already made the decision to go south before the crows lured Bran up. GRRM's a prophet it would seem
  11. Ok, so, part of the reason I came back is because I decided to read the series again. And from AGoT, Cat I: "Every noble house had its words. Family mottoes, touchstones, prayers of sorts, they boasted of honor and glory, promised loyalty and truth, swore faith and courage. All but the Starks. Winter is coming, said the Stark words." What if she's wrong? She (like almost everyone, both in book and in the real world--and in That Thing Which Must Not Be Named), takes it to be a warning about the coming winter. But what if that's not it. What if it actually does go in line with the other house words. What if, instead of a seeming inconsequential warning about a seasonal occurrence, it is instead a warning of the House to all others: Don't mess with the Starks, don't mess with Winterfell, cause if you do, then Winter is Coming. It gives a different light when put into context of the various times the Stark in Winterfell has had to go out and take down its enemies (e.g. the Greystarks, the Night's King, the slavers at White Harbor, the various conflicts with the the wildlings, the conflicts with the Boltons, etc.). It also plays into the Iron Throne conversations. First, alone of the combatants during the War of Five Kings, the North was never seeking the Iron Throne, instead looking to get rid of it as overlord (in a sense similar to UK and the EU vote?). So, in this context, again, Joffrey and Cersei enacted measures against the ruling Stark of Winterfell, so Winter Came. Second, Aegon wasn't able to solidify his position as High King until he had the North; another way to say that, is that the Iron Throne was not created until the North was a part of the alliance. So the Iron Throne might be symbolic of a unified Westeros--but as long as the North remains divided, as long as the Starks are not in Winterfell, as long as Winter is still Coming, the Iron Throne will not be secure. And, from where I'm standing, I don't see the North joining up with the rest of them anytime soon. As such, anyone who is still centered around controlling the Iron Throne is doomed to failure, for they will never be able to reunify Westeros, and it is only in a unified Westeros that the Iron Throne can endure.
  12. Bran going north, sure. But if we're equating Heart of Fire with birthplace of dragons, then Tyrion needs to head back westward, into the ruins of Valyria and the Fourtain Flames
  13. Yep and this truth likely will involve the Isle of Faces and the Greenmen. There is the question though of this particular "genesis" going towards King in the North or King of Winter (possibly not a difference, but the usage of "winter" was for the older Stark kings, with King in the North being a newer-ish addition--maybe timeline wise coinciding with the arrival of the Andals? )
  14. OT: For those of you who play/have played World of Warcraft or associated games, just came to a conclusion--Stannis is Arthas, and is going to become the new Lich King.
  15. This might have been part of it. Another possibility that I was thinking about is: Aegon saw the kings and nobles of Westeros continuing to fight among themselves. He had just finished witnessing a massive conflict between his former Valyrian brethren during the Century of Blood Having fought alongside some of the Westorosi kings and nobles during the fighting in the Free Cities, he would have become friendly with some of them, which hurt him that much more when they went at each other's throats So he gives them an ultimatum: stop fighting among yourselves or me and my dragons will make you stop. He then tries to stop the various fights by bringing the kings and nobles in peacefully, only resorting to combat when it is his last resort, and always stopping combat as soon as the other side wants no more As was pointed out, Aegon didn't really seem like he wanted to conquer, and he definitely had little to no interest in ruling. I fell that it was a perverted humanitarian aid thing in Aegon's mind--"I'm going to invest the lives of my men, and give you to option of investing the lives of yours, to make sure that our children and their children do not fight among themselves anymore." Or something like that