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  1. The Theory of Rhaegars Rubies

    In order of birth, yes. But people already know that Daenerys of House Targaryen exists. But, there is a seventh member of Rhaegar's immediate family who remains undiscovered.
  2. The Theory of Rhaegars Rubies

    Rhaegar's (immediate) family.
  3. The Theory of Rhaegars Rubies

    No worries.
  4. The Theory of Rhaegars Rubies

    There were a few people who contributed to that discussion, including @Lady Gwynhyfvar and @FrozenFire3. @Consigliere suggested an alternative much later that I think makes more sense, though. Since the idea is that Rhaegar's rubies are referring to his family via "blood," Consigliere subtracted Rhaegar and Rhaego, and added Aerys and Rhaella in their place. In the case of Rhaegar, it probably doesn't make sense to include him in a list of his own family. Also, TWoIaF told us that Aerys and Rhaella had a number of children who lived at least as much as Rhaego did, so it no longer made sense to include him in that list, either. So, the updated list is: 1. Aerys 2. Rhaella 3. Viserys 4. Rhaenys 5. Aegon 6. Daenerys 7. Jon Snow It's of course possible that the seventh ruby just refers to something else, like the Stranger for example, but I still like this theory.
  5. Robb Stark Reveals Jon Snow's heraldry in Season 1 (spoilers)

    The phrase "all in black" appears a handful of times throughout the series. All but two are direct references to (men of) the NW, and one of the remaining two is an indirect reference. The last one, however, describes Rhaegar Targaryen: They had come together at the ford of the Trident while the battle crashed around them, Robert with his warhammer and his great antlered helm, the Targaryen prince armored all in black. On his breastplate was the three-headed dragon of his House, wrought all in rubies that flashed like fire in the sunlight. The waters of the Trident ran red around the hooves of their destriers as they circled and clashed, again and again, until at last a crushing blow from Robert’s hammer stove in the dragon and the chest beneath it. When Ned had finally come on the scene, Rhaegar lay dead in the stream, while men of both armies scrabbled in the swirling waters for rubies knocked free of his armor. - AGoT, Eddard I This line is interesting to me, since Jon is arguably a Targaryen prince who is armored (re: dressed) all in black. Certainly the black leathers and furs he wears armor him against the cold. So, I've always thought that this line might be another R+L=J hint. To take the comparison a step further, neither one was protected by their black armor. Rhaegar's steel plate failed against Robert's war hammer, and Jon's black clothes did not dissuade his sworn brothers from murdering him.
  6. The Heresy Project: Tywin + Lyanna = Dead Girl

    Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion.
  7. The ASOIAF wiki thread

    @Rhaenys_Targaryen Perhaps it could work like this: in 280 Lord Whent announced his intent to host a tourney, presumably when the winter broke. And then in 281, presumably with the winter (temporarily) breaking, he announced the official dates.
  8. The Heresy Project: Tywin + Lyanna = Dead Girl

    I've read about two (separate?) stories. 1) "RLJ is too obvious." 2) "evil little smile." Or something along those lines. Right. There was no Sable Hall back then. Okay, let's say I exaggerated, and it's only a really big twist that GRRM set up. The same point still applies about undermining the twist. One that GRRM went to great lengths to set up, especially if RLJ isn't true. I never said she knew. And as far as I know, the story is that GRRM hasn't told her. However, if she suspected that RLJ wasn't true, I still question why she would share that info with a fan base that had been largely fooled. It seems to me like (some of) you want to have it both ways. On the one hand, GRRM went to a lot of trouble to obscure Jon's parentage. Especially if you assume R+L=/=J, because that means RLJ is an additional layer of misdirection. Yet you also want to argue that Jon's parentage isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Sorry, I don't buy it for a second, regardless of whether Jon's dad is Rhaegar, Robert or Arthur. Red herrings are for the audience. I wouldn't say it has to be named per se. The whole point of a red herring is to misdirect the audience. That said, what good is a red herring if it doesn't (at least attempt to) mislead the audience? If a large portion of the readers don't know about RLJ, it can't mislead them. Right? I've said before, and I'll say again, if RLJ isn't true I fully expect it to be introduced into the text as a false solution. That is, someone will incorrectly figure out that Jon must be Rhaegar and Lyanna's son. I completely disagree.
  9. The Heresy Project: Tywin + Lyanna = Dead Girl

    This is just wrong. Testimony that Wylla, or Ashara, or the FMD are Jon's mother are absolutely evidence or information about Jon Snow's mother. Remember something doesn't have to be true or correct to be evidence.
  10. Heresy Project X+Y=J: Robert + Lyanna

    I'm saying, if you believe that line is connected to the one about Joff being taller than Robb and Jon, and believe that it also applies to Jon in some way, then a logical conclusion to draw is that Jon is trueborn. You can use it however you want. But, at least one other person in this thread seems to believe that line is a winky-wink indicating Jon is significantly older than his given age.
  11. The Heresy Project: Tywin + Lyanna = Dead Girl

    I never said that, and I think you misunderstood what I meant by "vast, vast majority." It was simply a way of referring to people who believe in R+L=J, since that is how I described them in the previous post. In case it's still not clear, I was simply communicating that no harm was done because RLJ is true. I think the proof in the (potential) harm of Parris's statement is the fact that people still bring it up from time to time. I've seen it mentioned by Heretics on several occasions. How many people do you think have been moved by those words to question RLJ, and investigate other solutions? That's exactly why I don't think she'd say that if she really thought R+L=/=J. Because she knows that some people are going to obsess over it, and that someone would most likely eventually find the "real" solution. And once the "real" solution was discovered, it would spread like wild fire. Goodbye shocking revelation. But if everybody already knew the answer to the "shocking revelation." There's no harm done in pulling someone's leg.
  12. Heresy Project X+Y=J: Robert + Lyanna

    I agree with the bold. Part of what I'm getting at, is that a lot of people think the line in question applies to Jon. And I'm saying that if it does, when we combine it with what it told us about Joff, that it seems to tell us that Jon is trueborn. Since Joff is taller than both Robb and Jon. So, if you want to say it applies to Jon, I think it points to him being trueborn. If not, then it only seems to apply to Joff. In which case it shouldn't be used as a point in favor of Jon being older than he is said to be.
  13. The Heresy Project: Tywin + Lyanna = Dead Girl

    Right, and the vast, vast majority of us know why that is.
  14. The Heresy Project: Tywin + Lyanna = Dead Girl

    Referring to the twist he's set up. Assuming R+L=/=J, GRRM has got the vast, vast majority of his audience fooled. We're really set up for an all-time shocker in terms of revelatory twists if Rhaegar is not Jon's father. That being the case, why in God's name would she say anything that could possibly spoil the eventual reveal?
  15. The Heresy Project: Tywin + Lyanna = Dead Girl

    Yes, I know. So I ask again: what is more likely, that she was having a bit of fun at someone's expense, or that she was undermining her future husband's greatest twist? Because when she said that, some people would obviously start to look for the "real" answer, which would undermine the RLJ ruse.