J. Stargaryen

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  1. You proposed a theory. I presented data that significantly undermined it. Instead of taking a fresh look at your theory, you're attacking the data. Please, don't confuse fake history with fake news. I can't prove Rhaegar wasn't cheating his entire jousting career, but I don't have to. If you now want to expand your theory to include an accusation of career-long cheating, the onus will be upon you to support that claim.
  2. Number of times "rose" appears in each book: AGoT - 106 ACoK - 154 ASoS - 146 AFfC - 177 ADwD - 161 --- Rhaegar's known jousting record prior to HH was something like twenty wins and only two losses. He lost one time each to Dayne and Selmy. Falling to the former at Lannisport in 276 and the latter at Storm's End. Both times in the champion's tilt. However, he managed to best both men as well. Defeating Selmy in Lannisport and Dayne at Storm's End. Which means Rhaegar's known record versus each man prior to HH was 1-1. Rhaegar was "seventeen and new to knighthood" at Lannisport when he overcame Selmy. Which means that, though I refer to Rhaegar's "known" jousting record, it may well be the case that he only ever entered those two tournaments prior to HH. Further, despite the (likely) later setback at SE, his earlier victory over Selmy proved he was capable of beating him. Just as the trips to the finals in both tourneys proved he was a consistently superior jouster to his contemporaries, save Dayne and Selmy with whom he was on equal terms, more or less. Perhaps Rhaegar was somewhat lucky at HH, defeating both Dayne and Selmy. I tend to think he was inspired. The Lannisport and SE performances placed him among the very best jousters in Westeros. Which means his victory was not particularly surprising or even remotely suspicious. On the contrary, he was one of the most likely winners. Certainly much more likely to defeat Selmy (again!) than a half-wildling ranger who grew up at the Wall. Actually, Rhaegar was simply much more likely to defeat Selmy (again!) than probably anyone in the 7K besides Dayne. Rhaegar is occasionally suspected of cheating somehow, someway at HH. But this outcome isn't that much different from Lannisport and SE where he was a finalist on both occasions. We also know that Rhaegar is capable of defeating Selmy which he did as a newly knighted 17-year-old. Though I very much doubt it, it's possible Rhaegar attempted to assure his victory in some way while still tilting himself. Considering his jousting prowess I think it is the only possibility of any funny business from him. But we can rule out things like glamoured body doubles since those only make sense if the double is an upgrade. Rhaegar's only peers at the time were Dayne and Selmy, who I think can be safely ruled out since he defeated one earlier in the day and was set to compete against the other.
  3. @SFDanny The link for v. 118 redirects to v. 117. Here is the correct link for v. 118:
  4. I asked you a simple, honest question. I understand why you responded like you did, though.
  5. Do you think GRRM wrote a bunch of background information—e.g., bastard naming conventions, Ned's relationship with Jon Arryn, etc.—and used that to name a tier one main character?
  6. The Case for Aegon Targaryen
  7. I'm more interested in Twin Peaks than Gormon Peake. Gotta Light? I don't know how much of what I proposed will happen either. But I do see some possible roads opening. Jon as Aegon VII definitely seems possible, but I don't know if it's GRRM's style.
  8. Sorry, but this is nonsense. I don't think we're supposed to talk about the show here. Again, this topic is about Jon Snow's true name. Earlier I said that in these type of discussions we should assume RLJ, and I explained why I think that is. I think that argument made sense, but it does exclude some people from the discussion. Let's try something a little different. Let's still refrain from arguing about Jon's parentage, but let's keep all options on the table. You think it's RB+L=J, so rather than try to argue why you think that is, stick to arguing what you think Jon's real name is. That's more inclusive, however, the problem is that he probably doesn't have a real name unless he's a Targaryen.
  9. Are we only considering that one quote? Even if that is the case, I would point out that the original Dance had two Aegons. Further, it was contested between an even-numbered Aegon and a female claimant. One of the most popular fan theories is that YG will be crowned as Aegon VI. So the promised DotD sequel actually lines up well with the idea that Jon's true name is Aegon. And it might even suggest that his eventual destiny is to be crowned Aegon VII. I know Jon being crowned the eventual king isn't the most popular idea, but if GRRM gives us a sixth Aegon, well... "Six have been found. We are all waiting on the seventh."
  10. I don't think it's necessary to extrapolate to that degree. Secret Targaryen. Bastard element. "Jo(h)n."
  11. Sure, we don't know if Lyanna gave Jon a different name. But by that standard, we don't really know much of anything. Let's not suppress discussion, am I right? How does this make sense? RB+L=J would see Robert and Lyanna sneaking off for hours or minutes at a time, whereas RLJ would have Rhaegar and Lyanna spending months together without the supervision of her brothers or father. I'm not trying to suppress discussion, Lynn. But this thread isn't a thread about who Jon's parents are, it's about what his real name is. From my point of view, it seems like the people stifling discussion are the ones insisting Jon's only name is the one Ned gave him. Especially since the OP is making the assumption that that isn't the case.
  12. I'm having trouble breaking up the quote into different sections, so I've modified your post a bit so you could understand what I was responding to. You sure about that Lynn? Ned naming one of his children after his BFF seemed so fitting that Cat went ahead and did it for him with their first born son, Robb. So yeah, the baby being named Robert would certainly not have given it away. And as I've pointed out elsewhere, we don't really get "juniors" in the series, with only a couple of exceptions. The funny thing about the RB+L=J theory is that Robert would have known he had sex with her, that Ned came back from the south with Lyanna and a baby, and was never the least bit suspicious about that baby. GRRM is answering who gave Jon Snow that name. GRRM did, however, point out that dying mothers could name their children. As far as your dismissals, come on. Pointing out the literal reading of a passage does not prove that it lacks subtext. All due respect, but that's a poor argument because anyone can make it about any clue that is based on subtext, metaphor, etc.
  13. Thank you. Those are some good ones. Especially from Jon IX. This is the quote that inspired me to consider Aegon as a possibility back in 2014.
  14. Oh boy... A character with a mysterious secret identity whose name sounds like the in-universe equivalent of John Doe. GRRM said Ned named him Jon. Okay, what did Lyanna name him?