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  1. Saints not likely to sign Butler to an offer sheet Basically, the Saints said that they will not give up the #11 for Butler so they can't sign him to an offer sheet and ship their 1st pick to the Pats. They could still trade for Butler but that would require Butler to sign the tender (which he still has not done). If Butler does not sign the tender b April 21, he can only play for the Pats UNLESS the Pats sign him to a tender and then trade him. Given the time they have had, this is not a surprise. You have to figure if they were going to do this deal they would have done it by now. The only other way would be to concoct a trade and that may or may not be happening. As Peyton said, the situation is "ongoing" but it seems like if a trade was going to happen it would have by now.
  2. GOOD NEWS! The Raiders and Jets will never give up their God given right to trade for players to huge contracts whom will immediately suck.
  3. The Patriots are good at something, so lets ban it. A rule to bar teams from winning 5 Superbowls in 16 seasons narrowly lost.
  4. I have no idea if he could because Belichick is so immersed in football all the time that that could be all he knows. But, yeah, he has such an eye for talent; for coach-ability; for what matters in particular match ups etc. But he also knows he is on solid footing BECAUSE he knows so much about football. If you put him in a baseball dugout, Belichcik could never say to himself, "Hey, I know this game" the way he does in football, so if he ever had to make a decision he could never fall-back on "No, I know this game as well as you can know it..." In fact, Belichcik spoke about this a few years back when asked if he could do another job in sports that was not football related and the discussion got turned to baseball. (this is a paraphrase of what was said) "I have no idea how anybody can be a third-base coach," Belichick said. "I mean, you have one decision to make- whether or not to send a guy home on a ball hit to the outfield - and there are just so many factors to consider that are just so variable - arm strength, accuracy of the throw, speed of the runner, - and you have to do it all in a split-second. How can you make that decisioon and do it right so quickly? I doulc never do that. "Now, first-base coach; I could do that job. Guy gets a hit you stand there and say 'Good hit, way to hit the ball' or 'way to take that walk; nice job.' Now that's a job I could do." Then again, most coaches in most sports are terrible, so Belichik would likely go above 500 lifetime in any sport.
  5. Back to the Future II must have SUCKED for us...
  6. This is exactly my point again, returning to Parcell's line: You are what your record says you are. While the Pats could be 3-4 in Super Bowls, they are not; they are 5-2 and there are a lot of factors that go into that. Case-in-point, one of those "wins-turned-into-a-loss" I am assuming would be the 14 Sueprbowl. Pats were battling with Seattle and then Kearse makes a horseshoe-up-the-ass catch. The ball bounced lucky for him and Seattle. How does That "lucky" play make Seattle any more deserving of winning or for calling that game a "loss" for the Pats? It doesn't. Only the final score matters. But by your logic, I could make a fantastic argument that the Pats are two plays from being 7-0 in Superbowls (Helmet Catch in '07; Welker's drop in '11). But it really doesn't matter to me; there fact that we are talking about one QB making it to Seven God-Darn Superbowls is astounding. 3-4 and 5-2 are dramatically different results, but in many ways its just a reaffirmation of how cosmically incredible the Pats have been since 2001 and how fortunate I am to be watching them and rooting for them. Basically, once the argument starts with "In their Seven Superbowls, Brady and Belichick should have ..." the speaker is implicitly admitting that Brady is the greatest QB of all time and Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.
  7. "The record is misleading" is, well, misleading. I always agree with what Bill Parcells said when he was head coach of the Pats and was asked (paraphrasing) "The Pats are 2-4 but could easily be 4-2" and his response was: "You are what your record says you are." Look at Cleveland under Beliehick: 36 - 44. He had ONE winning season 11-5 and four losing ones. The Browns had ONE season under Belichick where they got a lot of attention (1994) and they were 1-1 in the playoffs (ironically, defeating Parcell's Patriots). The problem was that Belichick was still a young coach and he made mistakes. The most well-documented was the way he treated defensive stand outs. With the Giants, Belichick knew what he had in Lawrence Taylor. Taylor could basically do everything. But LT also loved to party; loved going all night and into the morning doing, basically, whatever he wanted. And that would include staying out Saturday night deep into Sunday morning and stumbling into the locker room for a 1pm game. And LT could do it. Belichick learned that players like LT could party hard and still play hard. So when he came to Cleveland, Belichick took the same approach- guys were free to do what they wanted to do when they wanted to do. And it was, predictably, a fucking disaster because, well, most players are not LT! This lead to problems. He did get the team to work really well in 94 after he settled the whole Bernie Kosar problem (cutting him), but then the team moved. I think, AT BEST, Belichick's record is "underwhelming;" as stated several times, its basically Rex Ryan's record. Belichcik has made it to the playoffs ONCE in SEVEN SEASONS (CLE: 1991-1995; NE 2000, 2008) without Brady as his QB. To me, that means something. I also think that Belichick's standing in the NFL NOW blurs the proper view of his Cleveland tenure THEN; in many ways Belichick 1991-1995 was similar to Pete Carroll 1997-1999: young guy, over his head, unimpressive results with a talented team). But because Belichick is impressive now, I think we have a tendency to overrate what he did in CLE, which was in effect "not much."
  8. Revis obviously listened really well to Cris Carter.
  9. I don't know. I actually think Butler is better than Gilmore so losing him- which I think is all but done -has the potential to make the team worse. I think Guy is akin to Long so that's a wash. Will Ealy be the breakthrough player? I don't know; my inclination is that he's the guy who makes an impact here and there, but I do not think the Pats have anybody that makes me think, "The team got immediately better." I think that they have potential and we will see what happens there. And if Butler resigns - and I do not believe he will - then, yes, they are better. But I think that they have the POTENTIAL to be better, but that may also mean they have the potential to be "meh."
  10. (So, my one-day trial just got extended into two so ....) The HIghtower resigning was fucking huge. This is the leader of the D; everything goes through him; he makes everyone better, he makes huge plays, he is the communication with the coaches during plays; everything goes through him. But if he was gone? The team devolves immediately into "Devon McCourty and 10 role-players." While that's an exaggeration, its only a slight one. Hightower makes this D respectable; without him; without Collins; without Butler; without Jones, this D is on the down-side of that ranking, falling almost certainly to the twenties in DVOA defense. With High they are probably in the low teens. Regardless, huge day for the Pats that will almost certainly cap one of their best free-agent experiences to date.
  11. Er... they were REALLY middle of the road. The Pats had a fantastic game in week 3- they shut out the Texans but make no mistake- the Texans were so bad at that time and Watt was playing hurt. Also, the Texans committed costly turnovers on special teams; the D never really had to take the field. But also, Pats played a lot of TERRIBLE offenses in 2016 which assisted keeping their PPG total low. Again, looking at DVOA- this time on the offense's side - the Pats played the BOTTOM FIVE teams in DVOA - the 49'ers, Texans, Rams, Browns and Jets. The Pats played four more games against sub-average DVOA teams Bills x2 and Miami x2. And the Bills BEAT the Pats in week 4 (no Brady). Look at the top-ten DVOA teams from 2016- Pats were 1-1 against those teams with a loss to Seattle, and a win against Pittsburgh, but that Pittsburgh win was without Big Ben. In the Playoffs, the Pats tightened things up by the AFC Championship game, but their D was mediocre against the Texans, good against Pitt and schizophrenic against the Falcons. But the Superbowl is also cloudy; a HUGE part of the Pats success came from the Offense keeping Ryan-Jones off the field for so long. And Hightower's strip-sack helped... Regardless, I think for 2016 the Pats D was helped out tremendously by the schedule and was otherwise middle-of-the-pack which is sometimes good enough.
  12. I think this can be a great (if not redundant) topic, and after my trial in the morning I may take time to unpack some of this, but for now I just want to tackle this one piece. Brady's defenses have ranged from "fucking great" (2003-2004) to overrated (2001), to "meh" (2007, 2009, 2012) to flat out fucking terrible (2011, 2013). Here are the Pats defensive rankings (DVOA) by year, broken up in total defensive ranking and Weighted (w. Weighted games that happened at the end of the season count more than games that happened at the start) 2001: 13th total D, 13th Weighted D (not nearly as great as we all remembered) 2002: 14th Total, 21 Weighted (last time Brady finished a season and the Pats did not make the playoffs) 2003: 2 and 2 2004: 7 and 7 (seems like they should have been better) 2005: 27 and 24 (somehow made the playoffs) 2006: 7 and 4 (MUCH better than I recall) 2007: 11 and 19 (Weighted seems exactly right: the D began to deteriorate rapidly in the 2nd half of the season) 2008: N/A 2009: 14, 13 (what's interesting here is that Brady was not at 100% yet the team's D was about the same as in 2007. And yet...) 2010: 21 and 11 (THe D played great in the second half and it helped the Pats not at all) 2011: 30 and 28 (How fucking stupid is it that the Pats made the Superbowl that season? How??!?!?!?) 2012: 15 and 15 2013: 20 and 24 (Pats had no business making it to the AFC Championship game with this D) 2014: 12 and 13 (Again, in retrospect they seemed better...) 2015: 12 and 15 2016: 16 and 11 (they got better as the year went on... after they got rid of Collins... makes no sense). So, to recap, the Pats D was only in the top ten THREE times w/ Brady as the starter (03, 04 and 06) and while the Pats DID win the SB in 2 of those seasons, those were all early-year successes. The Pats have enjoyed extraordinary post season success with team Ds that have been anything but great and in a few cases (01, 07, '14 and '16) made it to or even WON the Superbowl with pretty mediocre Ds and in a few seasons made it DEEP into the playoffs with below-average to terrible D (2013 to the AFC Championship game; 2011 to the Superbowl). So, no; Brady did not have a top-notch D for even the majority of his career; he basically had a top-notch D for 3 of his first 6 seasons and that was it.
  13. Elliot was a UFA and so was House, but House got cut. I guess they may have gotten sick of always being the Bride's maid and just said they would not do it for Hightower. I don't see this as a big deal, but its fun to try to figure this out.
  14. Who were they? Just for curiosity sake.
  15. Dont'a Hightower's agent is Pat Dye, Jr. and he also represents some pretty huge names - DeMarco Murry, Demarcus Ware, and Eddie Lacy (because for a second there I thought he only represented guys whose first name began with a "D"). So this is not his first rodeo. Its possible that Dye has done this before with the Steelers - tried to get his guy a bigger deal by going to the Steelers or another suitor to jack the price-up and this move is more against Dye than it is against Hightower and/or the Pats.