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  1. Two crew members have talked about three months' worth of night shoots: a makeup artist and an assistant director. The assistant director posted on Instagram last week about it being "week 3 of 11." Tacking on eight weeks to that takes us to the beginning of April. We know that Miguel Sapochnik's "big things" will be filmed in March and likely involve the big KL set which is still being built. My guess is that the night shoots involve both the Winterfell battle and the final confrontation in KL. Maisie Williams did an interview with People recently where she mentioned that the day before the interview she had been doing combat training. Going by the fact that the Winterfell battle stuff has been shot at the Moneyglass exterior set over the past month and a half, we can piece together who is and who isn't involved based on who's been spotted in Belfast around that time. Kit, Maisie, NCW, Gwendoline Christie, Joe Dempsie, Rory McCann, and Kristofer Hivju have all been spotted in Belfast at various points over the past six weeks. NCW and Gwendoline were filming together for a week in January. So it stands to reason that Jon, Arya, Jaime, Brienne, Gendry, the Hound, and Tormund are all involved in the fighting at Winterfell. (One can probably safely assume Jorah and Pod are also in the mix, even if I don't believe their actors have been seen in Belfast over the past six weeks.) Of course, that assumes that they haven't been filming other scenes while the Winterfell battle shoots are ongoing.
  2. If the KL set is for a simple roasting with dragonfire, they don't need a physical set for that: they can CGI it as they did with the street scenes for the wildfire explosion. There's going to be a lot of action with extras on that set, or else they wouldn't bother building it. The production designer spoke about Miguel Sapochnik filming big things in March. I'm guessing the KL set is for that. The next batch of real spoilers will probably come out of the KL set filming in March. I don't expect much for the next little while (although I'd love to be proven wrong). ETA: Maisie Williams was spotted today in Belfast. Rory McCann was apparently seen at the Belfast airport this morning (although it's not known whether he was flying in or out of town). Hound/Arya scenes incoming?
  3. 1.It's that video which seems to be of the attackers yelling that's leading people to think that the attackers are human and not wights. 2. I agree re: the battles, although they're not going to construct such an elaborate set unless a lot of human action will be involved. Otherwise, they could just CGI the destruction (think the exterior of the sept explosion sequence).
  4. Looks more like McQueen to me. A lot depends on what is happening in that Jon/Cersei scene (assuming it isn't a fake). Is he a prisoner? Is he offering his help against an imminent WW attack on KL? Is he giving her one last chance to surrender before Dany and her dragons level the city? If the two big set pieces in S8 that we know about--battle of Winterfell, siege of KL--are human vs. human, that begs the question of how they're going to deal with the NK threat. Even with a lavish $90 million budget or whatever it is, they can't afford to have three huge battles in one season. So if the two big set pieces don't involve the WWs and involve human conflicts, how will the WWs be defeated? That site is full of it. They once claimed that one of their sources had informed them that Sansa would die bearing Ramsay's child in S7. With that said, Rory McCann was seen in Belfast around the same time they were shooting the Winterfell battle, so it's quite likely that the Hound is involved in the battle somehow. There are also scenarios where the Hound is fighting with Unsullied for other reasons, like maybe he talks smack about the Unsullied's abilities and they spar with him to prove him wrong.
  5. I believe that for S7, there were pap shots of a Jaime/Cersei scene in front of that very same window. That's probably how the paps knew to target it. An article from L7R was posted a few days ago about the Belfast exterior set (which is standing in for KL). Key points: 1. Last weekend was spent moving fuel tanks, but on Monday, the fuel tanks were gone, and L7R speculates that it's because they had been used: smoke could be seen rising from the set. 2. A hole was made in one of the walls (meaning a breach from an attack, maybe?). 3. Filming isn't yet over, because a sort of tower is being added to the walls. Pics are in the article I linked. This has led L7R to speculate that rather than a simple dragon attack, KL is being subjected to a full siege.
  6. Yes, here. I'm wondering if the autographs were a hoax and Isaac isn't there after all. Looks like only Jon, Cersei and Cersei's entourage are involved in the scene. Biggest question (assuming no Bran): why is Jon there by himself? Unless of course the rest of his crew is there but Cersei demands to meet with Jon alone. D&D alluded to writing a meaty Kit/Lena scene for S8 in the S7 DVD commentaries, so I guess this is it. Should be fun.
  7. It's on: a fan in Dubrovnik on their Instagram stories showed an autograph from today from Kit...AND ISAAC. Whaaaaaaat? The rumours were right. The Mountain's actor's latest Instagram photo shows that he's in Dubrovnik. So is there one scene with the Mountain, Jon and Bran, or multiple scenes?
  8. These points have already been discussed, but briefly: 1. Outline Sansa is not one of the main five guaranteed safe passage through all three books, even though Bran, Arya and Jon are. 2. The books are described in the outline as a coming of age story for these five characters. Surely that would apply to Sansa, too, were she to live through the books. Sansa can't have a coming of age story if she dies, though. 3. The part in the outline where GRRM says that Bran, Arya, Jon, etc. will make it through all three (as then planned) volumes is preceded by a bit where GRRM says that he'll kill off sympathetic POV characters and wants to create the impression that no character is safe. 4. Outline Sansa bears Joffrey's son and is befriended by Tyrion (who also befriends Arya). 5. After Joffrey's death, Outline Jaime takes the throne by murdering everyone ahead of him in the line of succession and blaming Tyrion for the murders. This would include Sansa's son. There is no further mention of Sansa in the outline after this. 6. Right after discussing the murders, the outline states that an "exiled" Tyrion makes "common cause with the surviving Starks" to bring down his brother. Since there's no mention of Sansa escaping with Tyrion, by extension Sansa isn't one of the "surviving Starks," TLDR: Outline Sansa dies in KL, murdered by Jaime. 1. The obvious divergences between the outline and the ASOIAF in terms of plot--Tyrion burning Winterfell and not Ramsay, e.g.--are irrelevant to a discussion of whether Sansa will survive in ASOIAF because the ending has always been the same since 1991. 2. All the named characters who died in the outline died in ASOIAF, even if the circumstances of their death differed. 3. There are several clear clues that Outline Sansa dies. 4. GRRM planned an ending that didn't include Sansa in 1993. 5. If the ending has always the same since 1991, the ending to ASOIAF won't include Sansa, either at all (most likely) or (less likely) in relation to the big ticket items (who gets Winterfell, who rules the North, who sits the throne, etc.), since GRRM decided those without any reference to Sansa. 6. GRRM recently talked about a character he had in mind who was always doomed, but whose method of death he hadn't decided on until recently. He probably wasn't talking about Sansa, but it does confirm that there are certain characters in GRRM's mind who have always been doomed, even if he hasn't quite decided how they're going to go. TLDR: Sansa won't get Winterfell, she won't be any sort of queen, and she'll likely die. All these arguments are based on the books, but Sophie certainly hasn't been filming very much for S8, which would make perfect sense if she dies partway through the season. The original ending has always been the same. If it didn't include Sansa in 1993, it won't include her in 2019 (when we get the broad strokes version of GRRM's ending), either in any significant fashion or at all. Could this scene be from Riverrun? I remember that scene from S6 where Brienne and the Blackfish are walking around the castle.
  9. Photos of Kit filming in Dubrovnik! He's filming on some kind of staircase. LOL at his high heeled boots. I don't know who those guys in black costumes with him are supposed to be. No other lead actors in the shot.
  10. "Sansa is the main character"? LOL, no. Sure it can, because GRRM has always said that the ending has always been the same. If the outline implies that Sansa was meant to die in 1993, she was meant to die in 1991 (when GRRM came up with the ending), and she's likely still meant to die. Even if she doesn't die, for GRRM's original ending to remain undisturbed by sparing Sansa, she can't end up with Winterfell, and she can't end up as queen (since those slots would be reserved for his real main characters, the big five). It's all pretty simple. 1. GRRM has always had the same ending since 1991. 2. He planned on killing off Sansa in 1993, so a dead Sansa was part of his original ending. 3. Therefore, he either still plans on still killing off Sansa (most likely), or on giving her an ending that doesn't conflict with his original ending, which presumably included who got Winterfell (Bran or Arya), who ended up as queen (Dany), etc. 4. Given that all the outline characters who died still ended up dead in the published books, if Outline Sansa died, ASOIAF Sansa is going to die as well. Because it gives away that GRRM planned on five lead characters surviving and strongly implied that GRRM planned on Sansa dying. If the ending's the same as in 1993--and GRRM said many times before the outline leaked that it is--then Sansa won't be a part of it, either at all (as I suspect) or in any significant way. She can still survive if she's irrelevant, for example if she runs off with the Hound never to be heard from again, but how likely is that? Well, no, because it shows GRRM planned on killing Sansa off, and that she can't therefore be a part of his ending in any significant way: no Winterfell and no crown. NCW and Gwendoline filmed together one week in Belfast in January that we know of (when the Winterfell battle stuff was being shot). There is likely more. And GRRM said in the outline that he intended to kill off sympathetic POV characters, BUT that five characters would live through all three (as then planned) volumes. Sansa was left off that list of safe characters, even though three Starks made it on, so that again is yet another strong indication that he planned on killing her off.
  11. And we have good reason to be skeptical of GRRM's claim that he made it up on the fly, for the reasons I've said, particularly since it gives away 1) Ned isn't Jon's dad and 2) the main five survive. I mean, come on. What else is he going to say? "I can't believe some jerk leaked the outline and spoiled a good chunk of my ending"? I can't blame him for trying to downplay its significance, but those assertions cannot be taken at face value. It's like Kit's ridiculous claims before S7 aired that they'd shot 500 minutes of fake footage, or however he put it: the Lads leaks were widely known, and he was trying to throw fans off the scent. Well, no, because the phrase "the surviving Starks" is not qualified. If Sansa isn't with them wherever Tyrion is, she's not one of the surviving Starks. Relatively minor. Viserys, Drogo and Joffrey are also named in the outline, and they're all minor characters relative to the leads. That's not going to happen, for the reasons I've stated. GRRM planned an ending without Sansa, an ending to which he apparently plans on adhering.
  12. If it wasn't a tipoff to Sansa's death, the outline would have specified. We're meant to read between the lines, because that's the last time the outline mentions anything in reference to Sansa. If she escapes or is forcibly married to Jaime, why not mention it? Instead, Outline Jaime murders everyone ahead of him in the line of succession, which would certainly include Sansa's son, and murders Sansa as well. The bit about Outline Jaime murdering everyone ahead of him in the line of succession has been discussed to death. However, there's another clue that Outline Sansa dies. The outline also says that Outline Tyrion goes into exile after being framed for the murders by Jaime, making common cause with the "surviving Starks" against Outline Jaime, and falls hopelessly in love with Arya. The phrase "[making] common cause with the surviving Starks" implies that all the surviving Starks are in one place to plot, plan and unite against Jaime. That can't be true if Outline Sansa is still trapped in KL with Jaime; she wouldn't be in any position to make common cause with Tyrion, but all the "surviving Starks" do. Therefore, Outline Sansa's not one of the surviving Starks. Therefore, Outline Sansa was murdered by Jaime. (It also seems odd that Outline Tyrion would fall for Arya and not Sansa, assuming GRRM always planned on making Sansa the more beautiful sister and always planned on making Tyrion as shallow as ASOIAF Tyrion turned out to be, if Sansa were still alive around the time Outline Tyrion fell for Arya.) If GRRM planned on bumping her off in the outline, she is going to die in ASOIAF as well. All the named outline characters who died--Ned, Robb, Cat, etc.--have died in the published books, even if the circumstances of their deaths were different. GRRM spoke not too long ago about a character he always knew was doomed but had only decided very recently on how that character was going to die. I don't think he was referencing Sansa, but the statement confirms that GRRM has characters in mind whom he always knows are doomed, just as the outline spells out that there are certain characters who have always been safe. Sansa could very well fall into the "always been doomed" category. Even assuming GRRM intended Sansa to survive at the time of the outline, which I doubt, she was a relatively minor character, and GRRM has admitted that he came up with Sansa to stir up conflict within the otherwise harmonious Stark family, suggesting that she wasn't otherwise needed for the story he already had in mind (and the ending that he claims to have known since 1991, two years before the outline was written in 1993). With 3/5 Starks in the outline big five guaranteed to survive, one of them would have wound up with Winterfell, not Sansa. GRRM may have elevated Sansa's prominence in ASOIAF relative to the outline, but if he's sticking to the same ending, then Sansa won't wind up with Winterfell. And before anyone comes at me with "GRRM said the outline was some shit he made up"... 1. GRRM only said that after the outline leaked; 2. GRRM has said that he didn't expect the outline to be published for many years (either 20 or 40, can't recall); 3. GRRM's been saying for years that he has always had the same ending in mind (before the outline leaked); and 4. It's clear that for all the divergences between the outline and ASOIAF, and yes, there are many, it's not just some shit he made up: the major deaths are the same, the main characters are the same, several key plot points are the same, and the outline clearly implies that Ned isn't Jon's father. So not just some shit he made up. TLDR: Sansa's probably doomed, and even if she isn't, she's not ending up with Winterfell.
  13. David Nutter has been seen in Dubrovnik. So the scene is from episode 1, 2 or 4. No Tycho Nestoris for this scene, though: Mark Gatiss is in London. Filming started today, but no cast members have been spotted yet. Stay tuned. We have a pretty good idea of what was supposed to happen to Sansa. Outline Sansa bears Joffrey's child, and it's later mentioned that after Outline Joffrey's death, Outline Jaime kills everyone ahead of him in the line of succession to gain the throne. This would include Joffrey's child. Now, Sansa wouldn't be in the line of succession, but Outline Jaime would probably bump her off just to be sure on the off-chance she was pregnant, too. Nor is Sansa mentioned in the outline after the statement about Outline Jaime murdering everyone ahead of him in the line of succession. It points pretty strongly to Outline Sansa dying, which would of course mean that Winterfell was destined to go to someone else, and if GRRM is keeping to his original Sansa-less ending, well... Outline Joffrey's baby is murdered by Outline Jaime, so no, that was never the plan. The outline never said that Jon and Arya end up together, only that their torment over their mutual passion is resolved by the revelation of Jon's true parentage. Dany and Jon were supposed to survive in the outline, though, so if Jon/Dany is endgame--and indications are strong right now that it is--and GRRM sticks with his original ending--which he has always claimed to be the case--then Jon/Dany was always endgame.
  14. I suspect GRRM is sticking to his original ending, which going off the outline didn't include Sansa getting Winterfell. So either she winds up with something other than Winterfell (the Vale, say, although that's unlikely given what the show has done with the Vale), or she dies. I think the latter is more likely. Arya on the other hand has a number of plot protections that Sansa doesn't: she's GRRM's fave female character, she's his wife's favourite character, and she's one of the "main five" the original outline stated would live through all three books. None of that applies to Sansa. If Sansa is in love and ruling the North in this scenario, why wouldn't she marry? As long as she marries down (even a minor lord), the children will bear the Stark name. Also, in the books, Sansa is now aware of just what it means to be a bastard; I'm guessing she wouldn't force that status on her kids if she could possibly avoid it. ETA: The Twitter user who claimed to have spotted Kit was likely lying. Doesn't mean Kit won't show up in Dubrovnik, but this user, like Mirri Maaz Duur, is not a reliable source of information. Emilia's still heading back to London, though.
  15. Maisie has done a number of interviews recently, so I couldn't tell you. The vibe I got from her talking about how she needed to get her brain around Arya's S8 arc, how she had to go back to the first season, etc. was that the ending was a WTF moment for her, and she had to view the series as a whole to make sense of it. Eh, if a female character is killed off in a way that's an organic end to her arc, is it fridging? Sansa dying at Winterfell, the place she was once so desperate to escape in S1, would be the natural conclusion to her story. That it would fit nicely into a revenge mission to KL is a bonus. True, but LOTR had a leisurely, long epilogue, so I think ASOIAF will as well. Not only is Kit in Croatia, Emilia is not. She's heading to London, where she has an event on Thursday. Start your "Dany dies!!!!!" tinfoil now.
  16. Kit was in Belfast during part of the time the Winterfell battle was being shot.
  17. I assume NK's mark on Bran would allow him to breach the protective wards at Winterfell just as he breached the cave. Cersei would likely be quite confident about her forces' chances against the dragons, so it's not clear she would wait until Dany was gone to order an attack. She knows the dragons can be killed, and she has anti-dragon weapons. As for ordering the GC/Lannisters north, I agree, but if Cersei truly goes off the deep end, maybe she changes her mind about her plan. I thought so, too, but Maisie Williams--who has one of the loosest tongues in the cast when it comes to accidentally revealing things--has implied that her character's ending was something she didn't see coming and that she had to go back to the beginning of the show to understand her character's S8 arc. If Arya does end up a wandering free spirit or just keeps on doing her own thing, that's something Maisie along with the rest of us would have foreseen. Arya becoming a lady after all, getting married and settling down, just as Ned predicted she would, in spite of her insistence that "That's not me," would be the real shocker, and it would be something that Maisie would find genuinely surprising. Maybe the writers' loud assertions that Arya is a lone wolf, can't be tamed, blah blah blah, are intended to throw viewers off the scent. It wouldn't be the first time D&D deliberately misled the audience about future plot points; they did the same thing with hyping Jon vs. Sansa at the end of S6. Could be, but I doubt it. If KL and its million residents go up in flames on Cersei's watch, I doubt Cersei will be at her leisure to sit back and send away her soldiers to attack Winterfell, or that that's how she would react to KL being immolated and narrowly escaping with her life. If KL is indeed destroyed, that's an even bigger deal than Winterfell being destroyed...Not to the Starks, of course, but you know what I mean. Arya never needed Sansa's orders to go after Cersei. Arya's struggle with revenge has been a big part of her arc, and going on one last revenge mission, this time on behalf of a sister with whom she had a difficult relationship at best, would be much more powerful and resonant for Arya's arc than Arya meekly trotting off to do Sansa's bidding as if she hasn't been planning on killing Cersei since Season 1. I want 60 minutes of pure epilogue, whether or not I get it. I think the fans have earned it. My nightmare is that Cersei spends half the episode dying, and all the surviving characters get two minutes' worth of scenes apiece where we learn their fates. I wouldn't put it past D&D.
  18. The problem is that the analogy doesn't work, because the Scouring of the Shire occurred after the defeat of the Big Bad: the heroes return to their idyllic home and oops! Home is all fucked up and full of baddies that need to be dealt with. So Euron/Cersei as well as the WWs would need to be already defeated (and the burning of all or part of KL with dragonfire as rumoured could surely play into that), and Team Jon/Dany comes back to Winterfell only to deal with the attack...except why would the attack be carried out if Euron/Cersei have already been dealt with? And why would anyone be at Winterfell if the WWs make it as far as KL, as they would if the show goes with the "Bran them all" theory (where KL is overrun with wights/WWs and Bran wargs Drogon to set off the wildfire and destroy the city)? It makes no sense. Also, while Miguel Sapochnik has directed episodes that were relatively low key ("The Gift," "The Winds of Winter," etc.), his main claim to fame is crazy action set pieces. 8x03 is going to have something big, and a huge Winterfell battle while Cersei/Euron haven't yet been defeated by Jon/Dany is just the ticket. Furthermore, while the Season 8 budget is lavish, the show just can't afford to have many battles with 400-500 extras, horses, etc. in the same season. Between whatever happens at KL, the Winterfell battle, and what I assume will be a big showdown battle with the WWs, there isn't much room for any other big set pieces in Season 8, and 8x03 is (in my opinion) too early for the last fight with the WWs or the end of KL. If you are a "Sansa dies in S8" conspiracy theorist, there are a few separate threads that could point to the shape of part of the S8 plot: 1. The Winterfell battle seems likely to take place in 8x03. 2. Sophie Turner when describing her S8 arc said it involved a "passionate fight" as opposed to a "political" fight. 3. Sansa is likely to be in Winterfell when it's attacked (since where else would she be?), and due to her inability to fight is vulnerable (particularly if Arya and Brienne are separated from her). 4. Sansa had a connection with the Blackfish's storyline in S6 where he stubbornly refused to cede or flee his ancestral home, despite Brienne's pleas, and was killed as a result. Sansa would also likely refuse to abandon Winterfell if the castle falls for emotional reasons. 5. Sansa in Season 7 fretted about Cersei having found a way to murder anyone who's ever crossed her. Jon in S6 vowed to protect her, and Sansa shrugged him off with "No one can protect anyone." 6. Rory McCann has been spotted around Belfast around the same time as Gwendoline and Iain when they've been filming the Winterfell battle. 7. Sandor is therefore likely to be in Winterfell when it's attacked (and assist in its defence). 8. Sandor's lines addressed to the Mountain at the dragonpit in 7x07 strongly foreshadowed Sandor vs. Gregor. 9. The show has played up Arya's relationship with the Hound and has created a bond between Arya and Brienne as well. 10. The show has also reminded us several times of Arya's connection to and desire to kill Cersei. 11. Gwendoline and NCW were filming during the same week when the Winterfell battle filming was ongoing. 12. Maisie Williams seems stumped by Arya's ending. She has said that she needed to go back to the first season and view her arc as having a beginning, a middle and an end. The show seems to have pointed strongly to Arya heading off on her own to explore or refusing to be tamed ("That's not me") and all. So...adding it all's what I got: Cersei sends the Lannister forces to attack Winterfell, probably after having a meltdown once she miscarries. Sansa dies in the battle of Winterfell, maybe because she refuses to abandon it when the castle falls (just as the Blackfish refused to flee). Arya, Sandor, Brienne and Jaime--four characters who in between them have a number of strong relationships with each other (Jaime/Brienne, Sandor/Arya, Arya/Brienne, etc.), and who would all be guilt-stricken to various degrees over Sansa's death for various reasons--all team up and head to KL to deal with Cersei once and for all. Heck, throw Tyrion in for good measure, since he talked Dany into not killing Cersei. One of Jaime/Arya/Tyrion is probably the valonqar, so ship them all off to KL, let Jaime/Arya/Tyrion kill Cersei, let Jaime die with Cersei, let Sandor tangle with the Mountain, and everything falls into place. Meanwhile, Jon and Dany can be off somewhere saving the world. As for why Sansa needs to die (instead of just being taken prisoner by Lannister soldiers), this would pave the way for Arya to end up with Winterfell, which would be an ending that would surprise and throw Maisie--since she was probably assuming that Sansa would end up with it--and has to be a lady after all, which ties into her comment in S7 that the world doesn't just let girls decide what they're going to be. It also makes sense in light of the outline, since GRRM probably envisioned Winterfell going to one of the main five rather than Sansa...although I guess it could be Bran who winds up with Winterfell in the end. The other big reason Sansa dying in Winterfell would be a fitting end for her arc is that Sansa once longed for the glamour of the south and told her mother (in the show) that going south to marry Joffrey was "the only thing I've ever wanted." So Sansa deciding to die rather than abandon the home she once was so desperate to escape would bring things full circle. Throw in something about Sansa staying behind and giving Arya time to escape, and you've got your Lady/Nymeria parallel right there.
  19. Well, if trebuchets are involved in attacking Winterfell, it will likely be much worse. The scope of the damage from the sack/burning of Winterfell was limited in scope because the attackers were already inside, as opposed to tearing the walls apart with large-scale siege weapons. Maybe Cersei loses her marbles when she deals with the one-two punch of losing Jaime and miscarrying (or one-two-three punch if Jon's true parentage and/or Dany's pregnancy become widely known) and abandons her sensible plan of letting the NK and Dany wipe each other out. Or Euron takes over and sends them north over Cersei's objections. One big problem with the theory about the Golden Company being involved in this assault is that Harry Strickland's actor isn't involved in this big battle at all. He shot late last year and is supposed to shoot in May/June. I guess he could just be the guy who sends a contingent north rather than the whole of his forces, of course, but with 400-500 extras, I'm guessing the attacker extras are supposed to be standing in for thousands of people, rather than just a small strike force.
  20. Yeah, exactly, and I'll be pissed if the show fails to acknowledge that Winterfell was already sacked and burned. To be fair, though, Winterfell wasn't destroyed in a siege, and the walls remained standing for the most part. I think if the burning of Winterfell is to have any kind of punch, two things have to happen: 1. At least one important character has to die. The Hardhome massacre didn't claim one preexisting character (Karsi was introduced the same episode she was killed off). The Tarlys didn't even die in the loot train battle itself, but afterwards. Someone important--maybe not leading leading cast, but an important secondary character--has to go. 2. Winterfell has to get not just damaged, but annihilated. Destroyed walls (or melted walls if there's dragonfire), collapsing buildings, the whole nine yards. NCW and Gwendoline Christie were in Northern Ireland one of the weeks the battle was being shot. Maybe in true GOT tradition of almost every battle ending with a third party showing up to save the day, Jaime will show up with his own Lannister soldiers to bail out the Starks? One real question mark is the outcome of this battle. It seems all but guaranteed that the focus of the action will eventually shift to KL, with what we know about the controlled burns planned for the big KL set being built (and the rumours that it will be dragonfire and not wildfire). That suggests that Team Jon/Dany will be going south, either by choice (to deal with Cersei once and for all and to regroup in face of the WWs' advance) or otherwise (if some of them are taken prisoner).
  21. Sure, but it's not at all clear that this is dragonfire. The attackers seem to be human (so no Wight Viserion), and Dany's not going to be able to use the dragons to do any real damage once the attackers breach the gates, since the attackers and the Winterfell residents will be presumably fighting at very close quarters and there will be no way to target the attackers without hurting the people she would be trying to save. I'm also guessing that the attackers brought anti-dragon weapons of the type Bronn used against Drogon, so Dany could be forced to sacrifice Winterfell so that the dragons can live another day to fight the WWs. ...Or maybe Dany and Jon are off doing other stuff with the dragons when Winterfell is attacked...although I think Kit was filming when some of the Moneyglass Winterfell exterior battle shots were going on. Also, Winterfell was not melted like Harrenhal when the Ironborn sacked and burned it, either in the books or in the show, so it's not clear why it would be this time if dragons aren't involved. If Winterfell is involved in a siege, there will be likely be trebuchets involved that could destroy the castle walls. So it's possible that Winterfell is reduced to rubble, or at least substantially structurally damaged, in a way it wasn't when the Ironborn sacked and burned it.
  22. It feels kind of cheap, since of course in the books and the show Winterfell has already been sacked and burned (S2/ACOK). It's one thing to see a smoking ruin in the distance and another to watch it happen, but still. Unless Winterfell is completely demolished in this battle and reduced to rubble (which burning would not accomplish), it won't pack as much of a punch. I'm guessing at least one character will die, but it could very well be someone like Lord Glover. I agree that human attackers makes the whole thing feel fresh. I guess why drag the Golden Company into the show unless they're going to get the chance to fight?
  23. None of the "leaks" up to this point mentioned the burning of Winterfell at the hands of a human attacking force, and /Freefolk has had 1-2 "leaks" every week for the past four months or so. Expect all new "leaks" posted on /Freefolk for the foreseeable future to include the burning of Winterfell, though. Friendly reminder, though, that the script pages that came out a while ago that have been making the rounds on the fannish Internet--where Tyrion offers Bronn the Twins, e.g.--have been debunked as fake, and the /Freefolk poster who faked them has copped to the deception. The Dubrovnik filming is likely to be sometime this week. Kit is currently in NYC and Emilia's in Rome. In other news, Nathalie Emmanuel (Missandei) hasn't been seen in Belfast for months, and one GOT vlogger is claiming that she has already wrapped for the season, so I guess Missandei makes her exit pretty early in S8. Rory McCann was recently sighted by fans in Belfast, I think for the first time since he was spotted by fans in Belfast for the table read. (That doesn't mean he wasn't around for filming in the intervening months, of course, just that he wasn't spotted by fans.) Gwendoline Christie and Iain Glen were seen in Belfast around the same time. Sophie Turner is also not filming as much as the other lead cast. In the past few seasons, she has knocked out her scenes in a matter of weeks, but with the major characters all at Winterfell (at least for the first part of the season), it makes no sense for her to be filming substantially less than other leading cast at this point, since her scenes would be with characters whose actors are in Belfast quite a bit (like Kit)...unless of course Sansa does die in S8. The Sansa dies rumours have been starting up every year since S5--it's getting to be a bit "The Boy Who Cried 'Sansa Dies'" at this point--but maybe there's something to it this time...? There is also a "leaker" on /Freefolk, GettingtheBetsyWetsy, who is claiming that Sansa dies (during the attack on Winterfell). This is the same "leaker" who claimed a few months ago that there will be an illness that will wipe out the Dothraki, and said that the day that cousin filmed, Sophie was shooting a scene on a closed set. (This "leaker" first said that they had a cousin who was a Dothraki extra--okay, fine, whatever--and then claimed that they knew someone who was higher up in the production who had access to scripts, and then claimed that they knew another person who was even higher up in the production who knew what the third WTF twist was. So grain of salt. Betsy seems to be legitimately Irish, judging from their previous post history, but the spoilers themselves are fishy.) /Kaysen762, a mod at /Freefolk, said when commenting on Betsy's "leaks" that someone else had told her that Peter and Sophie filmed a scene on a closed set. (As context, lot of "leakers" send their stuff to the /Freefolk mods, presumably to convince them. The mods sit on most of it.) Closed sets are usually for sensitive material, so it's either Sansa's death scene with Tyrion present, if Betsy's right--with a closed set to avoid spoilers--or a Tyrion/Sansa sex scene. I'll let you all decide which would be more horrifying, LOL. Probably just someone yanking /Kaysen762's chain--/Kaysen762 was also fooled by the fake script pages--but holy crap, I can only imagine what happens. What if Tyrion murders Sansa? The mind reels. It's being reported by either WOTW or Dubrovnik news sources (can't recall) that the scene will have more than one leading cast member. I don't think Euron counts as leading cast. It's also rumoured that Kit will be there, for what it's worth.
  24. None. The harbour/market props--fishing nets, chests, baskets, carts, etc.--are throwing me off. It all seems unnecessary if it's a simple debarking scene with X character--Cersei, whoever--greeting Y character as they arrive, or seeing Y off as they sail out of the harbour. The lack of extras also points away from a bustling market setup. So what's with all the stuff? Is someone packing up and leaving? Or unloading after arrival? And if so, wouldn't there be extras required to do the heavy lifting? I rewatched the scene where Jaime returns with Myrcella, and there are no props on the shore. One thing's for sure: there's no way that the show can keep the scene secret: that area is crawling with people. That said, usually the outdoor shoots outside of Northern Ireland are nothing too spoilery. I think D&D write in such a way that the really spoilery stuff can all be filmed either indoors at Belfast or on the Northern Ireland sets they can lock down for miles around: Arya's chase scene in Season 6 took place in public, but the resolution (Arya killing the waif) was filmed safely away from prying eyes. It isn't always possible, of course--the recent set spoilers out of Northern Ireland are proof of that--but I think that they try to the extent possible to make sure that the scenes they film in other countries are not earthshattering stuff. I'll be very interested to see any filming pics, if they leak, since we'll be able to narrow down the episode based on who shows up. If it's D&D directing, then that automatically means it's in 8x06. If Jon is present, that probably means the scene is from the latter half of the season, after the, uh, events at Winterfell that have just been spoiled, although to be fair Jon moved around a lot in S7. About those events at Winterfell...Spoiler tags just to be sure (although I don't know why spoiler tags are needed in a leak thread):
  25. Kit is rumoured to be there, so it's unlikely to be Euron/Cersei. Can't be GC, because Harry Strickland's actor won't be filming until May/June. I should have mentioned that the scene will have no extras, which would also rule out the GC.