wolfmaid7

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  1. I've never heard that one.But interesting idea. I think there is a difference.Its clear that her fires can be seen as "two way" I.e. Her seeing Bran and Bloodraven. The fact that in every instance she is trying to interpret what she sees or maybe hears isn't the issue. That being said I disagree that Mel is pretensive concerning "what" she can do.I don't see evidence that she has lied about her powers.If anything her POV doesn't reveal a lack of skill but humility. You see that play out where she internally questions what may be compared to what she says. So if she says she can speak to long dead kings and children not yet born.I don't doubt that.I doubt what "she" took away from her fires.I doubt her interpretation of what she heard or saw. Lastly,I am not speaking about Mel's state of being when I say " she likes being alive." My point is she knows Stannis is not the man to trifle with and less she ends up herself on the crispy side she convinced him she is powerful. Stannis doesn't believe he is this fabled hero.He believes to put the kingdom right is his duty by right. Mel is in nowhere Trump territory.Her visions are accurate her understanding of them...Not so.
  2. Yeah that massive eye sore was a total fraud. I am not to clear on that myself.I thought she was the one saying this really isn't about Westeros.War for the Dawn yada yada. But in the recesses of my mind somewhere I seem to recall her saying that Stannis is the rightful king in response to Jon.When trying to get the North to follow him and when Jon said a letter was sent to King Tommen. Snowy!!!! Wassssupppp??? Stannis seems the type to see what someone has to offer.He s Doesn't seem to believe in that AA thing.He seems to believe it is his duty.Maybe Mel went through Selyse to get to Stannis.
  3. I think there is something not clear,but tangible enough where different priests seem to have different dogs in the race. I don't have my books but if I recall Thoros was sent to convert Robert.Alas,Robert converted Thoros instead. And in the cave per the brother hood and Dondarrion. "Robert is slain,but his realm remains and we defend her." The consort king title still remains with the Baratheon line. Mel believes it's Stannis who by right the throne should pass through.He is the only one who is fighting to save the realm.Still think its not him but he has some part in this. Jon imo is the next horned god/horned lord.The horn he found,he gave it to Sam right? I like this.Very interesting take Stannis being tempered as if he himself is the sword.
  4. I was thinking it might be double entendre.Or it may not be.Somehow I think its both and that they are linked.That's for another discussion. I agree with you, I think her sight is accurate but the interpretation may be off. I am just intrigued on why she is fixated on Stannis.I think she saw him or she heard something that made her think it was him. Again I think she's off because she interpreted wrong,but she didn't just pull Stannis out of a hat.
  5. Your last point hit better than what I was trying to convey.Which is why I likened her seeing to how greenseers see through the Weirwoods So I guess the best way I can steer this is Melissandre seeing a possibility and trying to make that possibility among hundreds true.Thanks for clarification on the Children vs Babes.I was going from memory. But I don't think reading her fires is something she herself can manipulate to such accuracy where she controls what she sees or who comes in the flames.Its all based on who and what the LOL shows remember? She asked for Stannis and was shown something else..Snow or Jon Snow who knows. So to my mind if she's asking for Stannis and sees him alive somewhere anywhere she knows he made it.
  6. Hell,even I think she is a zealot and I she definitely is prone to misinterpreting.Also, way to prideful to admit the possibility of this in herself. We have a glimpse of how she sees things in her flame.What comes through really is a matter of interpretation. She may have spoken to a long dead king and have to make sense of what he said.She may have spoken with a little child and have to make sense of that. I think there was a quote from GRRM about her being on her own agenda when it comes to Stannis. But it would be nice to get more pig's from her.
  7. I know there's some razzle dazzle with Mel.No doubt about it.But her wording is a bit deliberate and uneccessary.As I said she could have said " I can speak to souls long dead,and not yet born."
  8. Not exactlyyyy.Her talking to a long dead king isn't going to tell her about future events. Plus,why Kings? Why not say I can talk to people long dead. Her statement about babes also seems deliberate.Why babes? What can a babe tell her that someone in their teens or older can't.Why not say talk to people not yet born? I'm thinking something like she does her fire scrying and through it sees a three year old.No conversation is going to truly happen beyond.Whose your parents or what's your name. A 2-5 yr old isn't really going to grasp who won what battle.
  9. Agreed.Whatever the signs are,but you are correct.Flames aren't her only source of information. She can see- per her "through" earth and stone as well.And see the years and seasons flicker past.. So she kinda does see like GSs see but unlike them her medium isn't the Weirwoods. It also seems she doesn't get complete pictures just "flickers" that she to may have to interpret.
  10. That may be so but something must fuel that.She didn't just pull Stannis name out of a hat and say "thou art the man."
  11. @Voice Nice thread.
  12. Is she pretending though? Vs does she believe he is based on info she has and in her mind she's just helping him out. Note, I am not arguing if he is (for the record I don't believe he is).The point of this is Melissandre' s motive to push that he is so hard. She is putting herself in dangerous situations for a person she "knows" is a fraud? I don't buy that.She didn't just do this on a whim.Hence it comes back to what makes her believe it is Stannis? Mel may be a lot of things but she likes being alive.And from her internal monologue she actually believes Stannis his the LOL's chosen. So was it something she gleaned (correct or not) from her flames.Did she have a pow wow with a dead king or two.Also,its interesting she says babes not yet born.That in itself is peculiar. I don't think GRRM was being poetic.
  13. I get and agree with all of you in some regard;I'll explain.But first,we all agree that Mel could be prone to misinterpretation. She has even acknowledges that this is where the problem for Red Priests lay. But what she mentioned isn't about interpretation.I believe it may be a factor after. She is saying that she could do these things;talk to long dead kings and babies not yet born. This isn't a confession that she has. Mel however has never lied though ..Which is what she would be doing if she couldn't do this. To quote you @JNR what she sees is accurate.Her interpretation may be wrong. This of course doesn't preclude that she may have spoken to a King long dead or a child not yet born.What she got from such conversations may be wrong because she interpreted so. It occurred to me something like this may have been the reason why she thinks so strongly about Stannis.This has been kind of a mystery.Why she thinks Stannis,Stannis is TPTWP.
  14. This is a bit off topic ,but I wanted to know what you guys think. I can't remember what book-SOW or DWD where Melissandre tells Jon something like: I can talk to kings long dead and babies not yet born. Do you guys think she did either one at some point?
  15. I agree with FFR on this one.But will add to it.I think this wildly accepted view is a case of trying to make elements fit a theory. Looking at it as it is instead of Jon is Lyanna son so the blue rose must be him we miss it. In the story of Bael ,the rose is a replacement for the maiden' s virginity. Aka "deflowering" that is what he took. We do not know if Bael took the Stark girl anywhere.In fact that was something Ygritte's story alluded to. When Jon said "He brought them back" her response was "they were in the crypt all this time." He "tapped it" she felt ashamed having lost her maiden head so she bolted. But he was not directly responsible for her going missing. I think we are looking for a young woman who will flower on the Wall and that being significant somehow coming out of a bad time on the wall to affect it somehow. I always thought and still believe it will be Arya.But @LynnS said something about Shirren which peaked my interest.