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  1. Your 1st point is an opinion though.You assume that him killing 7 people while he was injured is anything more than survival.He was injured and men were trying to kill him outside.He was being moved from place to place just ahead of Jon Con's forces. Die on his feet or stay inside and wait to die on his back.I very much doubt bedding the entire brothel was on his mind. Additionally,supposedly he screws all these women just before Ned's shows up while his sister was missing and Ned is mum on that? Nahhhhhh. Plus Bella only has black hair but her having black hair which was common enough for Arya to say "loads of people have black hair." In the weeks leading up to Bella's conception you know how many men Bella's mother slept with? You know how many of them probably have black hair? Robert being in proximity to a brothel doesn't mean he fathered her. What Robert became after Lyanna died was a far cry from what he was.From Ned's own testimony we know that Robert changed. At the point of their bethrothal Robert had one child that is it. How kids and women he slept with after is irrelevant.Lyanna died and Robert changed that was the moment it went belly up for him. Again we have a thought from Lyanna at a moment in time when she found out about marrying Robert. You get no argument from me that Robert to me became a loathsome individual.But he "became" that way.He wasn't always that way. As to Gendry he is a console baby.
  2. I think what the OP is getting at is there seems to be a disconnect when people debate ;stuff gets thrown out as fact instead of thrown out as assumption.Especially where characters are concerned.OP is correct.One can't state character guesses as fact. You are indeed correct.I am with you he most likely is younger. Lyanna's initial doubt doesn't equate fact as to how Robert would treat her and why. Don't get me wrong she had every reason to doubt after hearing she was to marry him. The man did father a bastard on some girl in the Vale.That may very well have played a part in coloring her thoughts on his fidelity. My mother who is from the Caribbean would call that a "second hand man" side eyed glances would have gone his way. However,Lyanna's thought reflected one moment in time; when she is told she is to marry someone who already had a kid.One moment in time which doesn't reflect any point after.We know how she felt about him at "that" moment. Another point when it comes to this arguement...Are we really to think Lyanna who squinted her eye because Robert ,unmarried Robert fathered a child is going to find a man who is married with two kids suitable?
  3. Bella claims to be Robert's bastard based on a rumor that while he was running for his life and injured he slept with an entire brothel. I don't believe Robert slept around on Lyanna while believing she was missing.There is no indication that he disrespected "her" in that way at all.His love for her and for Ned would have ensured that. IMO when Bobby B found out about Lyanna being dead Gendry's mom was the first in a line of many consolidating moments. Given that she was a tavern wench in KL and Robert was in the capital after the sack.Probably there when he heard the news...perfect storm.
  4. Cudoes on catching the observation made by Brienne...That was indeed a nice find.Its one of those little hints scattered in this series that lets us know that things aren't what they seem. You are right to question them.Arya's guess is just that,a misguided guess based on Gendry's size. The statement by Gendry's handler was the red flag to doubt."He is strong for his age" was the indicator that Gendry's perceived age is not what most think. However, there isn't anything wrong with Ned saying Gendry was of an age with Robb.The ambiguity of that statement is the point.He could be with a difference of about 3yrs and still be of an age if he's in his teens.
  5. We can only hope Voice to bring Papa Crow over to the Dark side
  6. Any "The Big Bang Theory" fans on the board? Borrowed this game from show and thought it would be fun. First, a question is posted about a hypothetical world that differs from the real world (in this case ASOIAF) in one key aspect. To answer, you must post the answer and your defense of why the answer is right. An example question and answer: In a world where mankind is ruled by a giant intelligent beaver, what food is no longer consumed? A: Cheese danish. Defense: In a world ruled by a giant beaver, mankind builds many dams to please the beaver overlord. The low lying city of Copenhagen is flooded. Thousands die. Devastated, the Danes never invent their namesake pastry. After 10-20 guesses you may reveal your answer OR give a hint. The answers should be convoluted; that's the goal. The person with the closest answer (asker's discretion) will ask the next question. I will get the ball rolling with one: In a world where Howland Reed doesn't go to the Harrenhall Tourney ,who is crowned QOLAB? Let's have a bit of fun.
  7. I think this is right he can be an active participant.However,as that incident showed it was in real time.And I have no doubt that because they can glimpse possible futures they can nudge individuals in directions they want them to go.However,to quote ehem "Bloodraven" "The past is already written and cannot be changed" There would be a serious problem from a writing standpoint if Bran could change the past. There would be no such thing as a real history.How would we know what was ever real? Bran would just be changing things trying to get a result that he could never change.Oy vey!!! It doesn't matter how many eyes he has, and how long he does it.There is no way to skillfully manuvere every detail over eons across time and space to ensure one possible outcome amongst gazillions of other possibilities. What would happen is an endless loop.Names and places may change but each generation will be doomed to continue the loop unless the greenseer pulling the strings gets taken out and the loop stops once and for all.Fading into the trees as he should. Lastly,there should be evidence of Bran changing history because again it doesn't matter how many eyes he has across past, present and future it still won't be enough to discern every bit of detail. Present manipulation to achieve some future glimpsed through the trees yeah. But changing somethings in a past that we can never be sure was in the first place? That's The Matrix wrapped up in some Cloud Atlas type concoction with Terminator 1&2 as sprinklings man.That is the worst kind of prison....For us to.
  8. Hahaha the guess is what makes it cool.I will mull it over some more.
  9. Ahhh yes,i think I recall that Addendum above.
  10. Ok not Robert....Ummm, Jamie? When Mamma and Papa Mountain gives birth to The Hound they tell themselves they have a suitable heir.They 1.Throw Clegane down a well and his cries eventually draw the attention of a mummera troop.They take him on as part of a show.He swears sweet revenge on the establishment.Like Stewie ,plots to take over the world.He so good he is soon performing in KL.Doing little side jobs for Varys. 2.He's gets so good eventually he forms his own Dwarf troop,employing about 30.The McNugs are in high demand.He forgets his plans of revenge because he's find a family and a purpose. But when crap hits the fan and Cersie starts collecting Dwarf heads the members of McNugs are slaughtered. Revenge is back on and his ire is aimed at Cersie.Using the passageways he learned from Varys;he sneaks into Tommen's room and takes him out. After grief sex Cersie convinces Jamie to seize the throne.
  11. I may be misremembering but what was it Aerys thought Jamie disobeyed him about?
  12. In a world where Gregor Clegane is born a dwarf. 1.The Mountain never hurts The Hound,seeing as the Hound doesn't see his height as a hindrance.Plus,The Hound would kick his butt.But Clegane ensures his brother is successful and have a close relationship. 2.Without the burns The Hound is not only fierce but he's a good looking chap without those scars and continues to kick ass in battles. 3.He is loyal of course to the Lannisters being Joff's right hand man and his brother accompanies him to WF when Robert goes to meet Ned. 4.Meets Tyrion in a brothel and they hit it off.Tyrion aches about how Cersie hates him. 5.Clegane instantly hates Cersie.Notices Jamie and Cersie sneaking off and follows them.He's a dwarf and is pretty good at not being noticed.Sees Jamie and Cersie banging.Sees Jamie push Bran instantly sneaks out from his corner and raises the alarm. 6.Jamie and Cersie are pretty much caught with pants down.As well as trying to kill Bran. Robert goes great ape.Jamie demands trial by combat.Robert says "Mofo you got caught in the act" Jamie and Cersie heads roll... Robert is still King.
  13. Dragonsbone hold on we don't know if this is what Mankytoes have in mind. Plus,I think there are other options...Remember a few guesses ans the closest guess wins next turn.
  14. This is funny.The answer is correct so I will accept it.Remember though it has to be in the vein of what's different.In a nutshell: In a world where Howland Reed doesn't go to the Tourney: 1.The KOTLT doesn't make his/her appearance.Tourney continues on as usuall. 3.Lyanna gets crowned. Mankytoes you have the next counterfactual my friend.
  15. I wasn't thinking of him...But I am so curious and I have a feeling you might split my side....Defend that some more just because I would love to hear it.
  16. This is really cool Weasel Pie.I love your insight with the Marvel/Asoiaf connections and I can't wait to see more.
  17. To weigh in on a different angle.I don't subscribe to the theory that Bran affect the past. "And through such gates you and I may gaze at the past The past remains the past. We can learn from it, but we cannot change it. Once you have mastered your gifts, you may look where you will and see what the trees have seen, be it yesterday or last year or a thousand ages past." I believe him when he says they cannot change the past.From what I see they can: 1.Influence and manipulate individuals.Via Skinchanging nature to bamboozle the masses into thinking the gods wish X or Z. 2.Glimpse the future. Based on what they glimpse they can alter it by doing # 1. My theory is this really is about Skinchanging.We have seen a very common theme in this story and it has to do with escaping death.The Skinchangers and the second life aspect. The prologue of Dance shows two possibilities. 1.What happens when a Skinchanger dies. 2.Revelation that if they are dying they can "body snatch"as V6 tried to do with Thistle.V6 rightfully deduced that his gift would die if he successfully took Thistle. But what if you had the means to get bodies with "the gift" This is what I think has been happening in Bloodraven' s cave. Old Nan would get the Brandon's mixed up thinking they were all one.I think this is a hint that they are in a sense. Not that Bran is going back in time.But that the original Bran(Bran the Builder) has been;with the help of a few tree dreams luring suitable replacements when his current body reaches to the point Bloodraven did. He's been watching until the situation as of agot' s made it possible to snag a vulnerable and perfect replacement. It's the Changling myth over again.BR is really BTB and what other poor souls that got consumed by the trees. This is what I think is happening to our Bran he is slowly becoming sympathetic because the trees (BTB) is/are "teaching him" aka slowly and by subterfuge pulling a V6. Its about never dying never going Into the trees so you can continue to watch and affect an outcome by using Skinchanging abilities to manipulate peoples choices. This is an awesome thread for discussing the Bran question.
  18. Wassuppp guys??? Nice to see that we are going strong in the drought. I tend to agree with Faceless men not being Valyrian in nature.They do seem to have some similarities with skinchanging.I am especially intrigued by how the first Faceless man was said to have emerged. I take no release date huh???
  19. I've never heard that one.But interesting idea. I think there is a difference.Its clear that her fires can be seen as "two way" I.e. Her seeing Bran and Bloodraven. The fact that in every instance she is trying to interpret what she sees or maybe hears isn't the issue. That being said I disagree that Mel is pretensive concerning "what" she can do.I don't see evidence that she has lied about her powers.If anything her POV doesn't reveal a lack of skill but humility. You see that play out where she internally questions what may be compared to what she says. So if she says she can speak to long dead kings and children not yet born.I don't doubt that.I doubt what "she" took away from her fires.I doubt her interpretation of what she heard or saw. Lastly,I am not speaking about Mel's state of being when I say " she likes being alive." My point is she knows Stannis is not the man to trifle with and less she ends up herself on the crispy side she convinced him she is powerful. Stannis doesn't believe he is this fabled hero.He believes to put the kingdom right is his duty by right. Mel is in nowhere Trump territory.Her visions are accurate her understanding of them...Not so.
  20. Yeah that massive eye sore was a total fraud. I am not to clear on that myself.I thought she was the one saying this really isn't about Westeros.War for the Dawn yada yada. But in the recesses of my mind somewhere I seem to recall her saying that Stannis is the rightful king in response to Jon.When trying to get the North to follow him and when Jon said a letter was sent to King Tommen. Snowy!!!! Wassssupppp??? Stannis seems the type to see what someone has to offer.He s Doesn't seem to believe in that AA thing.He seems to believe it is his duty.Maybe Mel went through Selyse to get to Stannis.
  21. I think there is something not clear,but tangible enough where different priests seem to have different dogs in the race. I don't have my books but if I recall Thoros was sent to convert Robert.Alas,Robert converted Thoros instead. And in the cave per the brother hood and Dondarrion. "Robert is slain,but his realm remains and we defend her." The consort king title still remains with the Baratheon line. Mel believes it's Stannis who by right the throne should pass through.He is the only one who is fighting to save the realm.Still think its not him but he has some part in this. Jon imo is the next horned god/horned lord.The horn he found,he gave it to Sam right? I like this.Very interesting take Stannis being tempered as if he himself is the sword.
  22. I was thinking it might be double entendre.Or it may not be.Somehow I think its both and that they are linked.That's for another discussion. I agree with you, I think her sight is accurate but the interpretation may be off. I am just intrigued on why she is fixated on Stannis.I think she saw him or she heard something that made her think it was him. Again I think she's off because she interpreted wrong,but she didn't just pull Stannis out of a hat.
  23. Your last point hit better than what I was trying to convey.Which is why I likened her seeing to how greenseers see through the Weirwoods So I guess the best way I can steer this is Melissandre seeing a possibility and trying to make that possibility among hundreds true.Thanks for clarification on the Children vs Babes.I was going from memory. But I don't think reading her fires is something she herself can manipulate to such accuracy where she controls what she sees or who comes in the flames.Its all based on who and what the LOL shows remember? She asked for Stannis and was shown something else..Snow or Jon Snow who knows. So to my mind if she's asking for Stannis and sees him alive somewhere anywhere she knows he made it.
  24. Hell,even I think she is a zealot and I she definitely is prone to misinterpreting.Also, way to prideful to admit the possibility of this in herself. We have a glimpse of how she sees things in her flame.What comes through really is a matter of interpretation. She may have spoken to a long dead king and have to make sense of what he said.She may have spoken with a little child and have to make sense of that. I think there was a quote from GRRM about her being on her own agenda when it comes to Stannis. But it would be nice to get more pig's from her.
  25. I know there's some razzle dazzle with Mel.No doubt about it.But her wording is a bit deliberate and uneccessary.As I said she could have said " I can speak to souls long dead,and not yet born."