Helikzhan

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  1. Maybe I should explain something I think might be missing here about genetic variation and natural selection. It's said that the eye fold to make almond shaped eyes can occur in both Mongols and Europeans. This means the DNA can randomly produce one or the other. There is a bias to create one over the other but it's not a guarantee. Like anything else in your genetic makeup it can be different in some way from your kin. This is genetic variation. If something is possible from the combination of DNA then it can happen. Natural Selection is a process where conditions of nature favor one genetic variation over another. Such as the case where circular eyes were favored in a dark climate. Not so much that nature favored but that nature ceased to punish the circular eye. So those with circular eyes would live long enough to breed and proliferate. Almond shaped eyes would still be around but would become the less dominant outcome. Africans probably have tons of genetic variations occur but the African climate does not tolerate them for long. So in the case of the FM they came over looking like the Dothraki look today or pretty damn close. 12,000 years later they look the part of the territory they've owned. Some of their more common features have changed but it's the same people. One last case to make is to take a look at Haley Bennett. Very Caucasian but with almond eyes.
  2. I'll focus here as this is what you're really getting at. The green sea is the green sea. Irrespective of what corner they spawned in they took ownership of the green sea and continued a legacy going back to the time of the FM. As time goes on people take on the shape of whatever region they own. The Eurasian (hint in the title) steppes are a perfect example of this. All Pan-Asian groups bear a strikingly similar appearance because even though they reside in different corners they had to cross those regions and intermingle at times. That would shape them similar. It's almost like an assembly line. The parts may have come in as square pegs of plastic but they leave the belt the same way the circle pegs of plastic do. Nothing on earth suggests that people trekked across the Sahara and wound up strikingly different within the same group. For example the Aryan race connects many subdivisions of Caucasians in many areas of the world. It's not like some odd breed of Mongol crossed the Caucus mountains and bore a strikingly different appearance to all others in that journey. Aryans for that reason are all very similar. Different skin colors, slightly different facial features but largely the same animal. Africans look almost nothing like Caucasians because they're far removed from the natural selection window Eurasians endured. Thus it's readily evident that climate shapes all people. Their skin, their eyes, their hair and all sorts of other physical differences arise from this shaping. Where we are different on planet earth is in our most extreme destinations. The Celts to the far north, the Asians to the far east, the Africans to the far south and the Caucasians to the far west. Thus it's far easier to say people became different at the end of their journey but were more alike at the start. I would say those in central Essos were / are very similar. They likely endured some differences in the Bone Mountains but they've held the green sea a good time, too. And finally, almond shaped eyes are not owned wholly by Mongols. There are snow white Caucasian people with almond shaped eyes. Again I urge you to take depictions of Eddard Stark seriously.
  3. You're operating under the assumption of two things. 1. Starks / First Men descendants don't have a version of the fold - judging by depictions of Eddard Stark I'd say this is inaccurate. 2. Dothraki are mongols by comparison. Almond eye shapes are better described as a subdivision of Pan-Asian than mongol which is too broad a comparison. I'll admit saying that Northerners and Dothraki only had a tan between them was a hamfisted observation. There are probably differences beyond skin color but not many. 12,000 years is easily more than enough time for genetic variation and genetic favoritism to change a people.
  4. We're looking at FM in the Starks far removed from who they were 12,000 years prior. I wouldn't be shocked if 12,000 years ago tan people with almond shaped eyes crossed the arm of Dorne. But good point on the Caucasian vs Mongol comparison.
  5. They have more in common than dark hair. They're both large of stature, typically larger than the other regions in Westeros. Thinking Umbers and Mormonts here. Dothraki have dark almond eyes and tan skin because that's what the genetic code has for that region. It's basically what the region allows for success. Give them 12,000 years north of the Neck for genetic variation and you'd have blue / grey eyes and pale skin everywhere. The Rhoynar are closer to Islanders with their black hair, eyes and olive skin. Islands = little cloud cover and little forest region. Genetic malfunctions would not be tolerated there. The Ghiscari are more of an eclectic group.
  6. Grey and Blue eyes are a genetic malfunction allowed to flourish by the climate. In some cases the same is true of red hair. The colder a climate the thicker the cloud cover which does contribute to the success of a genetic malfunction. If not for the climate these genetic malfunctions would be wiped out by nature. Blonde is different. That is Andal influence. The Lannisters are a southern house and have a lot of Andal influence.
  7. If you know anything about the connection between Persians and Irish you would know that hair color and skeletal structure are telltale signs of genetic brotherhood going back thousands of years. The only difference between the Dothraki and the Northerners physically is a tan. Take away the tan and you have Stark bannermen easily. Obviously I'm not including their psyche or mannerisms both of which are cultural. GRRM understands biological and cultural evolution quite well. There is a good reason why humans north of the Sahara changed drastically and humans south of the Sahara didn't over these past 20,000 years. The latter had no geological struggle to adapt to. There has been no impetus to change as a species so that branch of humans hadn't changed. In ASOIAF this plays out with the Dothraki. They're thousands of years behind their neighbors because the grassy plains of Essos haven't changed since the time of the First Men. No impetus to change means no changed people.
  8. That's pretty much the answer. The grassy plains of Essos are enormous and the First Men are said to have come from that region. Note the very close physical similarities to the northerners and the Dothraki. There's Tully influence in the northern royalty which is Andal by origin but by and large the dark hair thing is prominent north of the Neck. It's difficult to say what capacity the First Men had of animal husbandry and what size their horses would have been. We're talking 12,000 years. That's a very long time ago for both horse and man to be radically different in size. My guess though is that the First Men had already established dominance in Essos and the grassy plains likely fed their horses well. But going into CoTF territory it probably didn't help much. That would be sheer manpower overcoming another species of humanoids.
  9. Whether perceived or real, the Hound represented power to Sansa. Not the kind she read about or initially fantasized about. REAL power. She was raised to seek out that power and it wound up finding her. I read into it the broken female meets broken man. A young girl disillusioned by fairy tales finds something palpable and gawks at and inevitably adores it. She covets it like a royal decree / ring or crown. So long as it is hers, she has power. Her childhood meets adulthood and she begins to draw sexual correlations to this new asset. I see what GRRM is getting at and it has correlations to the real world. Girls from broken homes tend to be drawn to overt signs of masculinity and/or power. Sansa wasn't exactly from a broken home but as the OP explained her late childhood was indeed broken.
  10. If the series has proven anything no one family is fit to rule all seven kingdoms. The machine grows to such a degree that it suffers structural weaknesses and those weaknesses are abused. Baelish is a great character to illustrate this. If Kings Landing didn't exist how difficult would it be for a guy like Baelish to manipulate the kingdom? I'm thinking very difficult.
  11. The secret is in the title. The Winds of Winter heralds the coming of the great war. Where we left off in the books wasn't quite there yet. A Dream of Summer will be focused on the war for the dawn. I am thinking like many that a third book is creeping up on us. I disbelieve GRRM can finish all the story arcs + the great war + the finale all in two books. Well, unless the manuscripts are far larger than the preceding one.
  12. Sam was close enough to the Other without any of his wight friends. The Other let his guard down with Sam because he took him to be a coward. He simply didn't respect Sam enough to bear martial or necromancer skills. First Men armed with bronze or obsidian, even with CoTF (who were also slaughtered by the Others) would be zero match against legions of wights and Others bearing martial prowess. It might be crazy on my part but I disbelieve they won. What time it actually happened is less important than what happened. Given the origin of the First Men (had to be Essos) we know they would be used to horses, open plains and far less sea faring. The Arm of Dorne makes a lot of sense.
  13. That's a good point. If viewing the south to the Others there would be few or no human women either. Aside from Craster's Keep of course.
  14. Very interesting question. I just assumed it was a theme in GRRM work where women were only rarely seen as fit for battle (see Brienne or the Sand Snakes). Though now you mention it there must be a reason for it as female wights are used. Maybe a female Other can't be due to their making. Or like we're discussing they count as wards.
  15. IDK. The Narrow Sea isn't exactly a river. But good point on the coasts. Maybe something about the coasts prevents smaller ships from crossing?