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  1. Just caught up a little. Wanted to go back and quote this -- I think that's well said. If the reader/viewer kept their view of the characters at bay, then Jaime and Brienne are a great team from the get-go, just as the show set them up fighting each other and, laughably, his wondering if she was family (haha!) at one point. But their characters fit together and that seems to be the point. As it has been the point of the story all along, imo, that Cersei and Jaime were not a good thing. This is the woman for whom he pushed Bran out a window. Which, obviously, was great for the straightforward plot, but emblematic of twincest being a negative construct. And while I believe the leak that Jon and Dany are going to find each other attractive et al., I also think the show has set up a great conflict (no!! not a love triangle!!) with Jon's mind over what happened between them. He is the 'son' of Ned Stark, and he's not going to want to deal with any potential bastard, says the show and books, but . . . what to do if she does get pregnant? I think that is likely only because I think that GRRM loves his Targs way too much not to have the line continued. They are his ultimate fantasy characters. I think that the "cognitive dissonance" mentioned, coupled with "incredible similarity" of background and role in the story also applies to Sandor and Sansa. If you remove their visual differences, you have two characters who add up in the same way as Jaime and Brienne. In the end, it's Occam's razor. GRRM is good at weaving stories but struggles with convoluted plotting, relying on diversion and mass amounts of detail while leaving out key points to obscure the real plot. So I buy the straightforward answer.
  2. What? Both leakers, though I'm pretty certain the second is a fake, the first definitely said Jon ends up with Dany and spends most of the season with her.
  3. I think the Hound is taller and said by the showrunners to be taller because it's important. And he pledged his life to Sansa. To come between her and Joffrey. I do find that romantic. And this look doesn't say intimidation.
  4. I disagree with everything @Newstar says about the Hound. And to quote: So Arya is NOT interchangeable with Sansa for the Hound. He is main cast. Bronn is a minor character upjumped in the show. He is not, was not, can not, and will not be as important as Sandor in the books and in the show. A mini episode of his own proves that. No Bronn mini episode is there. I'm sure, based on the book story, that GRRM will bring back the Hound. Nothing that @Newstar says proves anything to me.
  5. If the Hound is still on the show, and so many others have been killed off; if the creators refer to and list him as main cast; if they give him his own mini episode, then I'd say, ipso facto, he is important to the story. And that GRRM did tell the showrunners that he was and what his role would be.
  6. Just speculation based on the leaks. I mean, where do you go, dramatically, with a woman waking up in a bed of blood, screaming? Lyanna died. So maybe Cersei lives and Qyburn saves her. But it's not "completely made up": Cersei waking up in a bed of blood, that's the last scene she has according to the leaks. IF she dies like that, won't it suck? I'm just applying known leak and overlaying the valonqar theory. That's the title of the thread "Speculation, news, theories for season 7 (including leaks). I think I fulfilled that. Speculation married to theory based on the leaks.
  7. Well, doesn't the valonqar prophecy come true if she's actually killed by the "little brother', i.e. the child that she gives gives birth/miscarries, supposedly, at the end of the season? Sure it doesn't fit the prophecy exactly, but that part's not been on the show. So they just make it up as they go, keeping their highly paid actress until the final season. And since they've tried (and failed, but that's my opinion) to make show Cersei more sympathetic, then her death is likely sympathetic too. Season 8, she dies of complications. The little brother being the youngest of her children. It's rather melodramatic, isn't it? Show devolves into soap opera.
  8. I don't think that Jon is going to have any conflict at all in regard to the political plotline. The leaks indicate he kneels to her. I'm not a fan of that, but there you go. He kneels. She's the queen. He wants to save the world. He tries to convince all and sundry. OK. That's the tack the show will take. Jon is not a political being. He had to be led into being LC by Sam. There will be conflict though. They've set it up with their being related "reveal". The irksome thing for me is that we've been there, done that with Cersei and Jaime. And yes, I absolutely see an incestual relationship as soap opera and cheap drama. GRRM did Cersei and Jaime well because we were able to read their thoughts. When you see it onscreen, it's not so compelling. You've got lust and commitment between two characters that really ought to have reconciled their love for each other a long time ago (and its dragged on too long in the show). So now we have Jon and Dany. I don't think that's going to end in a happy ever after, bouncing baby to boot. And if it does --- soap opera X 100.
  9. The show had to give Sansa something to do. She's in Winterfell, hanging out with Brienne, her sister comes along, and then Bran. Both a lot more exciting than Sansa. She's the non-exciting, stupid girl, by her own account, and she's got Littlefinger to toy with, now that she knows he wants the whole shebang. Jon up and leaves, for 'reasons' (in order to further his Dany-centric story), and now Sansa's 'in charge.' So the show goes the whole mini-Cersei route with Sansa. Not surprising, given their poor treatment of the character in general. I don't think this relates at all to book Sansa. It's show-only invention to up the drama in Winterfell and give the character a semblance of motivation in a season that seems to lack motivation in the Winterfell plotline.
  10. Plus the show hasn't revealed Rhaegar yet. That's conspicuous too. They're saving that little nugget for Bran and Sam to find out and put together. Then TA DA! Look, he's really related to her! Right when they're having sex. That's an ultimate reveal. I don't care if they're out to 'save the world.' If they set it up like this, there's bound to be fallout. There always needs to be a change, a turn in events from scene to scene, from season to season, and ultimately, from the beginning to the end. Where we started is not where we end up. And having Jon and Dany having sex at the end, with the reveal to the audience, is setting up their 'best bad choice' that will come for Season 8.
  11. Hear hear! Cersei is crazy, absolutely. Power hungry and mean-spirited. ON THE SHOW. She unleashed Gregor Clegane on a septa and was incredibly pleased with herself for doing it.
  12. That's presuming that Jon doesn't agree they should be locked up for whatever reason Tormund had locked them up, and he overrides Tormund's decision. If they're just "stopped" from crossing on their own, why the dungeon?
  13. But the wight dragon proves that dragons are just as vulnerable as men. They are living, breathing creatures. Maybe the remaining two can take out a lot of wights, but they can't take out them all. Neither can dragonglass or Valyrian steel take a out every last one. Those are one-on-one weapons. What makes dragonfire magical after it's been breathed by a dragon? It's still just fire after that. It's the dragon that is magical. But speaking of magical, no one in the showverse seems put off or even takes much of a step back at the magic. Dragons existed, they're aware of that, and so they seem wowed by their return, but not "Oh gods! Magic!!" Beric can rise from the dead again and again and everyone is like, wow that happened but again, no one seems to question the idea of magic behind it. I say this because magic is to them a part of their world, or so it seems. It's not questioned by any of them that I can recall. So magic is special doesn't fly for me. None of the characters seem to think so. Bran may indeed warg a dragon, but unless the show (continues) to go for unbelievable and non-logic based 'shock and awe' moments (which they will), one warged dragon isn't going to make it all better. Killing the Night's King might though (in showverse).
  14. How do you presume that Beric, Thoros and the Hound go beyond the Wall of their "own volition"? They supposedly are in a dungeon at Eastwatch, held by Tormund. So they aren't capable of doing anything of their "own volition" unless it is to trade captivity for freedom IF they go beyond the Wall with Jon and that's called coersion. So that wouldn't be Jon giving them any real choice. So I say Jon IS going to be ordering them to go. And Bran's mark from the Night's King might mean something else entirely. It's along the lines of Jon being resurrected after dying and being dead for awhile. He's alive, but not exactly, just like Beric. The two remaining male Starks now have definite marks that they will be involved in the final fight. And its looking more like Jon dies and Bran kills the Night's King. Maybe unJon is easier for Bran to warg! I don't think the CotF have anything to do with the Wall. They're much more about the Weirwoods. And in the books there's still a bunch of them living at the God's Eye.
  15. Spoilers still for AR, but gee this book's been out forever . . . It's been awhile since I read Armageddon Rag, but I definitely do not think it's a copy and paste to ASOIAF. Author's don't do that kind of thing if they aspire to anything remotely considered 'good literature.' Nor did I get that it was about "saving the world from Doom." That I don't buy at all. That was Sandy's state of mind, and some of it was his drugged state, but he'd become disillusioned with his life. Sandy also bought that about being a "Sander" as in Alexander (Aside, it's here that we learn GRRM's intentions for Sandor Clegane as 'protector' btw. He outright stated what Sander as a name means in AR). AR is more an homage to the sixties, to counterculture, to Woodstock, and songs (there are a lot of them GRRM put in there), to the power of a rock-n-roll band, to growing older having experienced this. I also think the death of Hobbins is more akin to the Altamont 1969 killing of Meredith Hunter than anything else. The dream flashback to the 1968 Chicago Riots was the best sequence, in my opinion. And Armageddon Rag is, in fact, a song. One that when played, didn't create or prevent any kind of destruction or lack there of. Now, themes, symbolism, and sometimes structure, I do think authors' revisit these in their life's work. But I also don't think that Ice and Fire is the only thing that matters. What with such huge volumes and two more to come, there's a lot more that happens and is meaningful than just Ice meets Fire and what do we get? Well, for starters, we get Jon. Or Undead Jon, as it is. Because his death is kind of important and his resurrection is also. Also, I don't think the children of any of the characters are going to be special; for the most part the story we are reading is of the 'special children'. Not everything will be set in stone or explained. It will still be a fantasy world at the end and it will still be a feudal society at the end. Also, just got to mention that Sansa as Alayne doesn't think of Tyrion 'fondly.' She says in the Alayne TWoW gift chapter, That's not as fond as the unkiss in my opinion.