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  1. It will be, and I'm sure it will have nothing to do with any lover or baby. I'm sure she was the one who arranged ToJ for Rhaegar and his men, and she was the go-between of him and Starfall. I mean, it's likely that many different people were involved in this, and that included the Daynes, even their older brother (Edric's father). He believes so, but I doubt it. I think she died because she felt guilty of being part of a plot that caused her brother and friends to die (see above). Also, look at what happened to the Houses who were loyal to Rhaegar (Connington, Darry). She probably thought her own family would pay the price as well. I like to think Ashara did it because she was sympathetic to little Ned. I want to believe she told Brandon to go and F himself. Someone at some point had to do it and I hope it was her.
  2. Women, in general, seem to be more open to enjoy homosexuality and gay male sex, just as men enjoy more to see two lesbians rather than two guys. I find this phenomenon fascinating for some reason. He ain't that, though, despite he's liberal.
  3. When I still had hopes Jon Con would be cast for the show, I feared that his introduction to the audience would be him with a blond prostitute because there is no other way for us to know he was gay. Not because he's a man or because he's gay and I don't like him having gay sex, but because that's not who he is. He doesn't like whoring. That has nothing to do with him being gay or not. Ned isn't gay and he disapproves whoring too. Ditto for Stannis. In any case, I think that he's supposed to be portrayed as loyal to the point of being faithful to a memory that never happened. Loras has reasons to say he doesn't want to have another lover in his life after Renly died, but Jon was nothing but Rhaegar's friend. Yet, he's still loyal to the love he felt for him. It's the same case as the guy who was in love with Rhaella, and became celibate after she got married (can't remember the name now, but you all know who I mean). Jon, as this guy, belongs to the pre-Robert times of Westeros, times that were considered more "romantic". Rhaegar's death represents the death of this world. In Rhaegar's time, we have legendary warriors who defeat legendary bandits who stole a kiss from a Princess when, after he's gone, the bandits raped and murdered the princess and her babies. It's meant to be a contrast. But now that Jon is becoming more like Tywin Lannister, he's going to break all of those sweet things about him and betray his own ideals. Something similar happens with Arianne. She's becoming more wary and careful about her own sexuality. She wants to meet Jon and use her mind when she faces him. Despite she at first considers to seduce him, the challenge of using her wits seems to be something she's going to enjoy more than just bed him and use him like she used Arys. This is a development for her and gives Arys' chapter a whole new meaning. No one says that it would be wrong if she gets all hot and bothered after she meets Jon and wants to have sex with him, but she doesn't want to use THAT in the negotiation because she's better than that.
  4. It is valid as any opinion is, but can we get ruled by concept and opinions that are relative? The whole idea of the "male gaze" seems to be based on the assumption than men longing to observe women is inherently sexist and objectifying. There is perfectly possible to see a woman and rate her attractiveness and feel aroused by her while also respect her as an individual. If it wasn't, then every other straight relationship would be based on shallowness and abuse. It is not. In any case, I'm sure that are women who feel uncomfortable at being watched by men and that's fair, but many other women (myself included) don't. I can't force those women to feel comfortable with is as much as they can't force me to feel I'm being "used" by men when I don't feel like it. In any case, no one watched my vid, so I'm posting here because I consider Paglia to know more of these issues as she's not only a feminist but her specialty are the arts (and it's also related to Connington, kinda): CP: You cannot just wade into film criticism and start talking about the male gaze without knowing something about the history of art, and of perspective and of vision, and so on. The male gaze is a foolish idea, it should long ago being discarded. Hoff Summers: And it's not as if in gay culture we don't find [..] male gays enjoy looking at pictures of beautiful idealized [--] CP: And there you just disproved a theory. Because gay men know when they look at a beautiful young man that they aren't creating some sort of powerful subordination on that man. They know they are looking up in admiration at that beauty. It's been part of Western art since the Greeks So, the point here is that GRRM could be exploitable about women's sexuality in his books? Yes, maybe. Could be. But then, any other author could be accused of the same and worst (just read at the "JRRT was a misogynist because he didn't include more women" theories). There is a chance that Martin doesn't know how to write from a gay male perspective. I mean, I'm a woman and I really don't know what a man would feel during sex from a male perspective. Because it's something I've never experienced in my life. I could maybe write how a man feels in any other situation, but that's very specific and very defining of someone's identity. Now, in my experience, I've met many gay men who I never knew they were gay because they were never talked about it openly. It was part of their private lives. Jon seems to be a private man as well. And Ned and Stannis are very similar to him. We had a scene of Ned having sex because he's married, but when he's away from Cat, he doesn't see any other woman. He doesn't care. I honestly doubt that Stannis even notices any attractive woman he's close to either. So, it kinda sounds a bit of a double standard to me. We want Jon to be more sexually open but we don't want the women being that open? I have no problem with reading about sexy or sexual woman. And what about lesbians who enjoy these scenes? Are they also "objectifying" them? Wouldn't be better to judge every character as individuals? Arianne's display of sexuality is way different than Cat's or Sansa's. In the same way, Oberyn's approach to sex is almost the opposite as how JonCon sees it. I mean, I do joke a lot that I want JonCon sex scenes, but it's based on a silly harmless joke of having a crush*. I want him to be developed as a character, whatever GRRM plans for him. *not really. It's real for me, we're gonna get married, don't judge me!
  5. Ok, playing Devil's advocate here, could it be that we haven't seen him more "sexual" because GRRM is keeping that for later? I mean, it's not confirmed in the text that he's gay, nor has GRRM literally said so. It's like he wants us wondering about it until it's time that Jon becomes less... snobbish and loosen up a bit with a guy he might like? As I said above, it looks like they are more, but we only have TWO chapters of Jon so far. We've learned definitely a lot of him as a character and those bits are, imo, more important that what he likes to have sex with. GRRM has said that sex plays an important part on his characters as it's an important part of people's lives. Fair enough. We might get there with Jon too. His sexuality isn't hidden away. Unlike other characters, he neither has an actual romantic interest nor he's a young kid obsessed with sex (he's around 35). Jon seems to be a prude, and that fits his character. He didn't like Robert's womanizer ways and Haldon mentioned he's against whoring. So, we kinda have a window to what he thinks of sex. It's definitely not a vice for him. Yet, he despite he's so tough on the outside, he seems to be quite romantic himself. And, considering he mentions he wanted to gain "Rhaegar's love", he had no problem with becoming his lover and people knowing about that. So, I wouldn't say he has his sexuality hidden, only that is not for display AT THIS MOMENT. GRRM isnt' parading Jon as "my gay character". He doesn't care about those issues. "I've had letters from fans who want me to present particularly an explicit male sex scene – most of the letters come from women. [...] I'm not going to do it just for the sake of doing it. If the plot lends itself to that, if one of my viewpoint characters is in a situation, then I'm not going to shy away from it, but you can't just insert things because everyone wants to see them. It is not a democracy. If it was a democracy, then Joffrey [the sadistic boy king] would have died much earlier than he did." (source) Jon is gay because the plot requires him so, not because he's fitting a diversity quota. It's not even a situation of a character who is looking for self-acceptance, as Jon seems to be quite pleased about who he is and, as I mentioned above, had no issue with the idea of becoming the lover of the Prince. Jon's character and his purpose in the story isn't about that.
  6. IMO, it has more to do with Tyrion realising that Sansa has no motivation to pretend she likes him. Tyrion wants to be loved and he just realised his wife finds him disgusting. Not only that "kills the mood" but definitely hits you straight in the self-esteem.
  7. He kinda does, but the real comparison here is with Dany. Dany gave up to the Meereenese in order to protect her people and she ended up very discontent with the result. She also failed at achieving what she wanted and ended up lost in the desert. Jon, OTOH, is doing things on his own but he also failed and ended up semi-dead. I guess the point here is that Martin wants to prove that there is not a right way to rule and you will fail if you aren't truthful to your own ideals.
  8. Plottwist: he said "ARTHUR!".
  9. Because that's not Jon Connington's personality, maybe? I'm a straight woman and I don't go around saying "oh my, that dude looks so fi-i-ne..." at every other colleague of mine. Jokes aside, what other male characters act in this way you describe? Jaime, for example, daydreams about Cersei because he's at first obsessed by him. After he gets apart from her, he starts to notice other women because this is what Martin wants us to see: how he's becoming free from Cersei and realizing she's not as unique as he thought. Ned doesn't go around how much he misses Cat's body either. Other Jon only remembers Ygritte. And Theon is... Theon. The thing with Connington is that he's not really a very sexual person. Being gay or not has nothing or little to do with how you express your sexuality. This feels like assuming that, because I like men, every other man I interact with is going to make me feel aroused. Then I would be unable to interact with any man. Jon so far is been surrounded by men he doesn't respect. Everybody's beneath him. Why would he feel attracted to any of them? Even the most "handsome" of the bunch is target of mockery by him. The only one who he ever wanted is dead. Does he mean he never had any man in his life? Maybe. I tend to believe that he was in love and possibly had something more with Blackheart, as he describes him with the same tenderness he remembers Rhaegar. But maybe they didn't and it was just a crush. Unlike Jaime or Theon, who have more sexual experience, I feel Jon has probably had one or two occasional lovers. And he really doesn't care about sex so far because his priorities are going back to Westeros and not dying. Besides that, as I said above, we've only seen TWO chapters of him. I feel like he will eventually meet a man he's going to like and we'll see how he reacts.
  10. The point here is "who" feels her like an object? I definitely don't see her in that way. IMO, there is no really a "proper" depiction of women because we women are very diverse. Even weak women have a purpose, IMO. I see nothing wrong with portraying a weak woman or a bad woman or a sexist woman. There should not be any kind of limitation on what characters to write. In Arianne's case, I think the point at first is that Arianne can live without any consequence for her actions, even her sexual actions. She definitely enjoys the sexual freedom no other woman in Westeros, but now, that ends up badly for everybody else as she used sex as a tool, not as something that she enjoys in a personal matter. Martin isn't judging or presenting Arianna badly for having sex, just for having sex that is used with manipulative ends. Maybe that's why it feels "wrong" at first? It's not like she's being sexually objectified, she's using sex as a tool for something that isn't right. Different situation, IMO. But I see your point because when I write stories, I tend to be more observant about men. It's kinda hard to write from men's perspectives about women, though. If not done carefully, male characters admiring women can end up looking like pervs (e.g, Christian Grey). I guess we women have a different way to appreciate male figures. It feels more because we've met him already in Tyrion's chapters, but it's only two. And those two are completely different from what Tyrion perceived about him. So, technically, we know nothing about JonCon so far. Everything has been revealed by Martin off-page. Yes Please. Unless I'm wrong, I think her first scene was greeting Doran when he returned home. Areoh is quite descriptive of her but he also speaks fondly of her. I guess it's supposed to be a contrast between what a paternal figure sees (Areoh) and how Arianne actually is? Could be more of a literary trick. Nah, he can write whatever he wants. In fact, I think Arianne is, by definition, the most feminist character of the bunch. She was actually fighting (although for the wrong reasons) for women's rights not being taken from Dornish women. What Doran was supposedly doing to her was going to cause a terrible precedent for future generations.
  11. There is also a good share of ladies sexily daydreaming about their guys. Cersei about Rhaegar, Waters, and Jaime; Sansa about Sandor and Loras; Dany about Daario; Arianne about Oberyn. Women in Westeros also like to stare at guys and a lot.
  12. I have the feeling this will be better explained when Sansa finds out about all the awful things LF did against her family. He caused Ned to die, and also, Bran being almost killed.
  13. Calling someone an asshole isn't necessarily a moral judgment. Many good people can be assholes. In the case of Tywin, is he a bad person or a misunderstood character? As I said, he had many choices and he took the ones that caused more harm in order to make himself look a better and more powerful person. Ironically, Tyrion does exactly the same: he does things that superficially look noble, but they're selfish as it's for his own benefit. It's also ironic how none of them follows Ned's "rule" of doing things themselves, which I think it's the main message Martin want to give us. Tywin uses the Mountain and other goons so he won't stain his hands. Tyrion (and also Cersei) does the same because he can't do it on his own (neither can't Cersei). It's like he's a reflection of Tywin's soul, not the gallant nobleman he believed himself to be but a deformed dwarf that uses lesser men to do the dirty job. Jaime, impulsive as he is, does the killing himself even if he's demonized for it for the rest of his life.
  14. It's gonna be cured.
  15. [Camile Paglia intensifies] If I had to guess, I think Martin wants to propose a contrast between the supposedly sexually open men and the "suppressed" women by showing that women can be as sexually open as men. By showing women such as Arianne or Dany being carefree about sex, he's saying that women enjoy sex as well and how the ones who have no power still have to suffer the consequences (like everybody else). It's a bit like a compensation. Also, they aren't just walking around naked: their sex scenes show them –most of the time— in control: Arianne has sex with Arys to manipulate him and Dany simply has a crush on Daaaaaario so she makes him her lover. Compare that with how many men here seem to be the real prudes (Stannis, both Jons, Ned, Robb, who married the first woman he bedded). Womanizers in Westeros aren't always shown as favorable. But yes, I agree the show is plainly exploitable because they can't understand that difference and for them, GoT is just about naked women and rape. Now, I can't speak about it myself, but I guess many ladies who are into other ladies are ok with these scenes. I mean, I am a straight woman and I have zero problems with female nudity. About the men, I have no issue tbh. I love Jaime's subtle sexuality just like it is. I still want my JonCon sex scene, though. Anyone, please? Speaking of the devil, JonCon not being more open about his sexuality has a narrative explanation: he's not very open about anything himself. Now, I can't imagine him having any sexual escapade for him to remember (whores are beneath him), but he might have had a few and we don't know because he's only being given two chapters! Yes, we all want to see the Griffin flies, but let's be patient. It will fly. HIGH VERY HIGH*. In any case, in the specific case of gay characters, GRRM said (although about the show) that he won't just write sex scenes because people want them, not even gay scenes. If a scene of Jon having sex or him being sexual is needed, then he will show it. Now, I have a crackpot theory about that. (book 6 spoilers:) *Male ginger porn is very hard to find, so unfair