Apple the Great

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  1. Bran rooted to the spot? (GoT Season 6 spoilers)

    I think Bran will rule as eldest, until he dies. Any of his potential (but unlikely) children take precedence over Rickon.
  2. Bran rooted to the spot? (GoT Season 6 spoilers)

    Me neither but many people seem to do. Given the show is reviving Jon and we're going to see the Tower of Joy where I suspect it will confirm R+L=J, I suspect also it is giving us a glimpse into Bran's future and he will not stay under this tree, at least not yet.
  3. There are two opposing sides it seems, on the one hand that Bran doesn't need to be under the tree, on the other hand, that Bran is going to stay under the tree for the rest of his life. Given that the textual evidence is inconclusive and people can and do draw different conclusions from Bran's personality, his circumstances et al, how much stock can we place in the TV show when the child of the forest (I'm not sure she's been given a name) explicitly tells Meera "he's not going to stay here forever"? I know the show diverges quite considerably in certain aspects, and the plot lines are seriously muddled, but the show seems to be heading in the same overall direction. So does this new bit of information shed light on Bran's future after training or do people think it's irrelevant because it's in the show or do people think I'm misinterpreting what was said?
  4. You're entitled to your own opinion but I don't think it was luck that Doran managed to rumble Arianne's plot, imprison the SSs, get a SS on the small council and have Myrcella as a hostage. He might be marrying his kids to people, but that was a crucial aspect of diplomacy, so why do you knock it? Had Quentin succeeded, Dorne would be in a very strong position. He is a lot of talk, very little action, but, to quote Plato "wise people speak when they have something to say, fools speak when they have to say something."
  5. Doran in the books: smart, consistently under-estimated yet actually knows exactly what is going on, lets people think that he's useless but is actually in complete control. Doran in the show: stupid, naive, does not even control his guard. Another male character ruined while they go out of their way to make Cersei and Cat Stark more likeable and relatable..
  6. Rickon Stark.........

    Agreed there is no "solid" evidence either way, I suspect that is as much as we can agree on about this. You can call your speculation circumstantial evidence, if you like, but I will still consider my appraisal of Bran's personality with greater weight than the circumstantial evidence you have given, i.e. he's there now so why do anything else, which I do not find very compelling. He was 57/58, we know this because we know the circumstances of him taking the black, as a result of having a Blackfre pretender executed after Maekar I's death in 233. BR was born in 175. I'm not sure what the weirstorage and weirplayer aspects are (do you mean the memories of the trees and the 'playback' of said memories? If that is the case, then it's not that I have ignored these aspects, but given that Bran does not have roots growing through him, then I don't agree that it is necessary for anyone to be 'plugged in' to the weirwood to access these, just having the ability and the weirwood paste to unlock that, and the training to use it, is my impression of how it works. Since there is not enough information given in the books as to how it works, I've not addressed it because I don't know enough about it. Also, it might even be the case that Bran is a lot more powerful than BR, so maybe it is necessary for BR to be 'plugged in' but we've seen with Bran he does not need to be. Since there is not enough information on this, I don't want to weigh in with a firm opinion, and I can only repeat my impression that it is not necessary forBranto be 'plugged in' based on the visions he saw. Given that BR was known as having 'a thousand eyes and one' well before he joined the NW let alone found himself under a tree, I think it possible that BR was able to use his abilities as well as more conventional means (informants), to give the impression of knowing everything. It's known that House Blackwood worships the Old Gods and have one of the only weirwood trees south of the Neck. Agreed, taken by itself, if one Greenseer is stuck in a tree, it would be reasonable to assume that it is necessary and that the other Greenseer will not leave. Except it's possible (I think implied) that BR was able to use his powers before and had a long, healthy and active life before joining the NW and becoming one with the tree. In which case, is it really necessary to be under the tree? A further question for you: is it necessary to be under that specific tree? I think not. Just because you say he will become a rootball does not mean he will become a rootball. If Bran does leave the cave, for example with Summer, Hodor, Meera and maybe Jojen, he could earn fame, glory and honour by warging the dragons, playing an instrumental role in defeating the others, restoring order and peace to the North. He could rebuild Winterfell. He could be famous for being just and good. Just because he is a cripple it does not mean he can't do anything. Granted it is unlikely he will never father children but people are not cut from succession due to an inability to father children. Most people don't know he is alive, but Theon, Rickon, Ramsey, Davos andOsha alldo. If Rickon is found on Skagos and is shown to be alive, do you really think people will not ask after Bran? Do you think Rickon would lie about his brother? Do you think Davos, a man of principle, would either lie about Bran or fail to inform Stannis the Mannis, who will do the right thing even if it's not the best thing?
  7. Rickon Stark.........

    It does not say anywhere in the book that he has to stay under the tree. BR is under the tree and he is being taught under a tree, yes. You can infer from that whatever you want, but there is no solid proof that Branhas to or will stay under a tree. You admit it yourself, that BR is there to extend his lifespan. When Brynden joined the NW he was 57-58. Not very old by modern standards, but old by Westerosi standard, it's quite old. I don't think there's a way of knowing, but certainly Bran does not need the tree to access visions (ADwD, ch. 34), seeing far into the past,so perhaps Bran is stronger than Brynden. I think Bran will stay under the tree while learning from BR, but after that he will emerge, and he will be able to use his third eye whenever he wants. Bran realises that he will never be a knight, and thinks that a life of fame, glory and honour has been taken away from him. He now has this remarkable power to achieve fame, glory and honour - influence beyond anything he'd imagined growing up as a younger son of the Warden of the North. Bran is an intelligent boy, and like all Starks has a sense of honour and duty. He will know that there needs to be a Stark in Winterfell and it is his duty. He will also realise that with his powers, he could very well be the key to the North's survival and power. This will all serve to bring him out from under the tree.
  8. Rickon Stark.........

    That's not proof, that's an opinion. Just like it's not proof to the contrary if I say there is no reason for Bran to stay under the tree because he hasn't seen much of the world. But you say so yourself in the parts that I've made bold. BR was old when Maester Aemon joined the NW. He needs to be in the tree to prolong his life. Bran does not need to be in a tree to prolong his life. Bran is 10 years old. Bran, before his fall wanted to be the greatest knight in the Kingsguard. Bran has a crush on Meera. If you think that Bran is just going to want to sit under a tree for the next 200 years as he becomes part of a tree, maybe you need to think about what you were like at 10 years old. This is not proof, this is opinion, but in the absence of any proof that Branhasto stay under the tree, I don't believe he has toorthat he will want to. Also, nice pun.
  9. Rickon Stark.........

    Where is the proof? Or do you mean he'll end up like BR in that he'll have a long and active life, travelling the world, effectively ruling the seven kingdoms, acting in the interests of the realm,before he retires to live under a tree? I take your point, though I should say that men paralysed from the waist down can still get erections and can still father children, it's just a lot more difficult. It's unlikely at best that Bran will father children. But that does not mean he will or would be cut out of the line of succession. Especially in the North, especially for House Stark - I mean come on! Ned is the most honourable person in Westeros! - people would not just cut someone out of the succession illegally. Ned would not do it to Stannis, and I don't think many of his bannermen would, for honour's sake. Not only that but Manderly also remembers exactly what the Starks have done for them, and as the popular northern saying goes, "the North remembers" - so do you really think they would sideline the rightful and legitimate heir of the North for expediency? If Rickon is seen to be alive, after people think he and Bran were both burned alive, do you not think that people will start asking whether Bran is also really dead still? Do you not think that if Ned Stark's oldest living male heir is still alive, he is whom the people will want as their leader?I grant you that Rickon and his heirs may well continue the line, but he and they will have to wait their turn. No one seems to discount Willas Tyrell on the grounds of him being a cripple, I imagine the fiercely loyal bannermen of the Starks will support Bran still.
  10. Rickon Stark.........

    I know, right?
  11. Rickon Stark.........

    You clearly know Bran is alive and well in all of this, so why would the throne not go to the oldest surviving male Stark, Bran? You point out that he has god-like powers, Bran is shown to be sensible and level headed, and he even has limited experience ruling. There is literally nothing that says or implies that Bran will have to stay under a tree for the rest of his life. To go full crackpot, he's also named after Bran the Builder, who is also depicted as a cripple. Bran is the Stark to rebuild the wall, Winterfell, the Starks and the North. Also, the Starks are famous for their honour and doing the right thing. Rickon knows Bran is alive and would not steal his throne in the same way that Jon Snow would not, nor Bran to Rob when he was alive. So why not Bran?
  12. Bran, the King in the North?

    Did anyone else notice in the last episode of season 3 of the show that it was explicitly stated that Bran will stop the Others? While I'm hesitant to base my opinions on the show, given that the writers of the show know much more about how the books will end than us, could it be a hint that Bran will become the most important character in the series, defeating or being instrumental in defeating the Others and perhaps rebuilding the Wall if it indeed ends up broken? I've always wondered how what the writers know about the future of the series influences what they reveal. Needless to say, I doubt the person who will stop the Others is going to be stuck under a tree for the rest of his life.
  13. Quentyn possibly alive?

    I actually posted a month ago about how Quentyn is one of the most underrated characters on this forum. All I'm saying is that if Quentyn had actually tamed the dragon, as he seemed to be doing, everyone would be saying how he had balls of steel and was the man. As it is, he is a "mud man", without a gift for anything in particular but a strong sense of duty to his house and his region. He's basically a Dornish Ned Stark... Ned wasn't handsome, wasn't a brilliant warrior, wasn't particularly popular with ladies, but he was loyal to his house and the North, and he was conscientious of his duty to the North. Quentyn gets a lot of stick he doesn't deserve and for that reason alone I want him to be alive.
  14. Quentyn possibly alive?

    I really hope that Quentyn is alive, but I'm fairly sure I've seen it said that GRRM has confirmed that he died, and this is important for Dany's "sun setting in the east" prophecy, though it irks me to no end that Quentyn dies essentially for the fulfilment of the propechy and Dany. On the other hand, the points made in the OP are very interesting, and Quentyn would have a few drops of Targ blood.
  15. Bran, the King in the North?

    You're assuming that Manderly wants to rule the north via Rickon in some kind of 'kingmaker' situation. I'm not ruling it out and it's a plausible theory, but, "the North remembers" and even Manderly's granddaughter, Wylla, knows the debt of gratitude that the Manderlys owe the Starks. There is nothing about Wyman in the novels so far to make me think that he has any desire to power play or to orchestrate things behind the scenes - rather he lives to revenge himself upon the Boltons and Freys and to eat. Rickon may be a useful figurehead for the North to rally around, but do you think that Rickon, Wyman and then, perhaps more importantly, Davos are going to keep Bran's survival a secret? Do you think that Davos wouldn't at least tell Stannis? By Jove! Do you think that once Rickon is known to be alive, people are not going to question whether Bran lived as well and whether Theon 'Turncloak' was lying about them both? What about Sam the Slayer? I, like many others, have yet to see a convincing argument that Bran will have to stay in the cave, and if he doesn't have to, I've yet to see a compelling argument why he would stay in the cave. And when he leaves the cave I suspect that he'll make at least one visit to Winterfell.