ShadowCat Rivers

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    The very goddess of humility

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  1. That's because secondary charactes' role is to serve the arc of the mains they're tagged along. If the main character needs to experience rejection in order to move along her arc, then that's what he will do. But what you'll get to read about is how she feels about it, so brace yourself in either case, you'll have to endure her POV for another couple of books.
  2. He doesn't. But that's what the "alpha Gendry" theory implies (to which I very, very, very strongly disagree). (I'd have some more to add to the topic, but I'll be mostly off for the next month, so maybe in another thread...)
  3. Oh sorry. Just meant to say that I'm just tired and can' t carry on the discussion. I had started to write something that required some effort, you see, "whatever" simply meant that I'm dropping it. Goodnight.
  4. Whatever. Goodnight.
  5. Of course. The primary character is but a tool so that the secondary will shine. Suit yourself.
  6. Because Arya is who she is, and these things matter to her. And no, not so long as it isn't Gendry. The 'alpha' parallel in the human girl has a very unpleasent symbolism for me in all cases. That's the reason I hope the narrative of her sexulaity does not take that route. But the idea that this 'alpha' *must* for some reason, be Gendry and therefore both text and speculation be shoehorned in a way that a potential future romance fulfils those norms, and in order to do that prioritize the secondary character and downplay the primary, sorry, that's something that irks me. A lot.
  7. I am not contesting that she likes it, I am contesting that his strength and ability to cause harm are enough to get him on top if the scenario of a potential relationship follows the Atalanta approach.
  8. Yea, so that he can put the little lady in her place and remind her that she's a woman. Look, I don't think this is happening. If he takes the challenge approach, then he falls under the "small grey cousin" category. His chance is to appeal to the girl, as a boy, not to the wolf, as an "alpha". She's not going to spare him if he seriously means to use his strength to subjugate her. That would be entirely off Arya's characterization, and for what? But, (since I am not writing these books) if it does happen like that, I personally find it distasteful. Even if it comes to pass, I don't have to like everything the author serves me, after all.
  9. Here I can agree , it is in character for Arya to admire such things.
  10. Strong, he is. Nobody is taking that away from him. She thinks (more like she hopes, actually) that he looks dangerous when considering their chances to be left alone. But, neither is important in what would be the outcome of him challenging her. And I still see nothing to like in this scenario. But to each, their own.
  11. You're right, Lady Smallwood is admirable for all these things but I'm not sure Arya has taken them into consideration when forming opinion about her. Maybe subconsciously she did, I don't know, but I don't remember her thinking about these things.
  12. Unless you're talking about role playing (like Asha's - which is not my cup of tea but OK, I don't mind it) then not likely nor likable at all, IMO.
  13. In that case, he does not stand a chance. He'd be eaten for breakfast. Unless she lets him "win" in order to boost his pride like smart women should do, as my grandma would say. But so out of character for Arya, and so very unpleasant for my personal taste, since we are talking about why people do not like the idea...
  14. But Arya respects Lady Smallwood for no special feat but being nice to her... so while I agree that she does not award respect for things like family name, it's not like people need to achieve something to gain it. I think she would like Tommen if she ever had the chance to really meet him. No, she wouldn't like to be betrothed with him. Why? Because it would have been someone else's choice, not hers. I still don't see where your idea about Arya's perception of Jon/Robb dynamic comes from. Also she loves and admires Robb very much: "I will be as strong as Robb" is what she promises to vision-Ned, remember? Anyways, about Gendry I can only see it happen if his character growth is such that he will chose not to challenge her, but be supportive of her instead. He will have to cut the crap about what a highborn girl should or shouldn't do, the girl would be looking for a lover, not for a septa
  15. Yes, exactly. And also that a lot is derived from the character's (and by reflection, to readers that adopt his feelings as theirs) need to compensate for what he perceives as inferiority. As inferiority is by definition comparative, the character has to equal or even outclass the cause of his uncomfortable feelings -ie Arya- in other areas as a means of compensation. And there's where it becomes competitive.