ShadowCat Rivers

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  1. That's actually infantilization, the opposite of adult. And it's hardly useful to anyone -especially to Sansa- as Sansa's ows story showcases, as well as the various exambles of successful ladies in the books imply.
  2. Oh, I would very much like to debate it, if I could - it's just that my free time ends in about a quarter and I don't know when I'll be here again...
  3. Just wanted to say that I absolutely disagree with you, especially on the bolded, but I'm sorry to say I won't be able to debate about it. Just putting it here for your consideration, I very much doubt that an answer of the line "it's not your place to question your lord father's thinking" is doing anything remotely positive to prepare Sansa for an adult life as a highborn lady. As for Arya's internalized feeling of failure at being a lady, it doesn't even need discussion, IMO. I'm not saying that the septa did these things on purpose, just that she was a very bad teacher.
  4. Mordane was a bad teacher, period. We do not need to compare her to modern teachers, just to maester Luwin teaching Bran (especially in how hard he tried to persuade him not to climb) should be enough. She did not like her job and wasn't too dutiful at it either, that much is evident: she indulged in her cups, leaving little Sansa unattended in the feast at KL (when Sandor ended up escorting her back to the castle)... that's quite telling, IMO. While I acknowledge how harmful her influence was for both girls, I don't really blame her too much either; who knows under which circumstances she ended up being a septa... most likely it wasn't her choice. Equally, the North was not, most likely, her choice nor the teaching duties. Maybe she hated all of it but had no say about it. That might also explain her stance towards the girls: liking the one whose teaching does not necessitate much or any effort from her side while loathing the "difficult" child, the one that the teacher needs to put some thinking into how to catch their attention and put the lesson through successfully. It might also explain her affection for her wine. But all of this is basically speculation and extrapolation, as we don't have enough information for a final judgement. All in all, I don't think she was a bad person or that she acted as she did out of malice, more that she was mostly indifferent and applying the method of 'minimal effort' for her own convinience, ending up causing harm out of neglect.
  5. That's because secondary charactes' role is to serve the arc of the mains they're tagged along. If the main character needs to experience rejection in order to move along her arc, then that's what he will do. But what you'll get to read about is how she feels about it, so brace yourself in either case, you'll have to endure her POV for another couple of books.
  6. He doesn't. But that's what the "alpha Gendry" theory implies (to which I very, very, very strongly disagree). (I'd have some more to add to the topic, but I'll be mostly off for the next month, so maybe in another thread...)
  7. Oh sorry. Just meant to say that I'm just tired and can' t carry on the discussion. I had started to write something that required some effort, you see, "whatever" simply meant that I'm dropping it. Goodnight.
  8. Whatever. Goodnight.
  9. Of course. The primary character is but a tool so that the secondary will shine. Suit yourself.
  10. Because Arya is who she is, and these things matter to her. And no, not so long as it isn't Gendry. The 'alpha' parallel in the human girl has a very unpleasent symbolism for me in all cases. That's the reason I hope the narrative of her sexulaity does not take that route. But the idea that this 'alpha' *must* for some reason, be Gendry and therefore both text and speculation be shoehorned in a way that a potential future romance fulfils those norms, and in order to do that prioritize the secondary character and downplay the primary, sorry, that's something that irks me. A lot.
  11. I am not contesting that she likes it, I am contesting that his strength and ability to cause harm are enough to get him on top if the scenario of a potential relationship follows the Atalanta approach.
  12. Yea, so that he can put the little lady in her place and remind her that she's a woman. Look, I don't think this is happening. If he takes the challenge approach, then he falls under the "small grey cousin" category. His chance is to appeal to the girl, as a boy, not to the wolf, as an "alpha". She's not going to spare him if he seriously means to use his strength to subjugate her. That would be entirely off Arya's characterization, and for what? But, (since I am not writing these books) if it does happen like that, I personally find it distasteful. Even if it comes to pass, I don't have to like everything the author serves me, after all.
  13. Here I can agree , it is in character for Arya to admire such things.
  14. Strong, he is. Nobody is taking that away from him. She thinks (more like she hopes, actually) that he looks dangerous when considering their chances to be left alone. But, neither is important in what would be the outcome of him challenging her. And I still see nothing to like in this scenario. But to each, their own.
  15. You're right, Lady Smallwood is admirable for all these things but I'm not sure Arya has taken them into consideration when forming opinion about her. Maybe subconsciously she did, I don't know, but I don't remember her thinking about these things.