LynnS

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  1. It's just a few comments regarding Mance's raven-winged helm and Mormont's Raven imitating the helm when Mormont is questioning Craster about Benjen and Mance. Also Craster's amusement with the bird's antics. It wouldn't surprise me if Benjen had a touch of the old magic and went to the Wall for that reason. Given the speculation that Lyanna and perhaps Ned had some talents along the greenblood line. Benjen was sent to spy on Mance after all. So if he was using the bird; he may have had his wings clipped. Benjen was first ranger and may have had a few talents the rest did not. I'm guessing that Benjen is more aptly called Mormont's Raven and now the raven should be called Uncle Benjen. Here's a curious thing about Mance Rayder's raven winged-helm and Mormont's Raven: It seems the raven has seen Mance Rayder's helm and knows something of Mance's purpose. Craster is amused when the bird imitates the raven helm after Mormont offers to escort and protect the wildlings at the Wall. No doubt Craster is familiar with the helm and Mance's purpose as well. This suggest that the bird has been used for spying and retains memories of what it has seen. So perhaps we are looking at Uncle Benjen after all. This is the only time the bird repeats another name besides Jon Snow, making it into two separate names.
  2. I think it more likely that Benjen has taken up a second life as Mormont's Raven.
  3. Yes, that passage puts me in mind of the Undying of Qarth because of the blue flame and Quaithe's warning about the glass candles burning: After all, who is Dany speaking to in the House of Undying? Long dead kings and wizards?
  4. According to Aemon, Melisandre has misread the signs whatever those might be: And so did Rhaegar and perhaps Aemon is misinterpreting as well. The question is whether Azor Ahai and the PWIP are the same prophecy or not. I've come to think they are different. Mayhaps Melisandre could have 'talked to long dead kings' etc would perhaps come to her in some version of a dream. She avoids dreaming if possible, but does succumb to sleep. It seems she doesn't just rely on the flames...
  5. I have to go with BS on that one too. She's implying that she can see past, present and future in the fire; which might be possible. However, talking to long dead kings and unborn babies? Unless she's talking about un-dead kings and Martin's version of the Neverborn; it's sounds like snake oil to me. If she could do those things, she would be next to omnipotent and you'd think she'd be a lot more certain about what she is doing.
  6. My sense of it is that Jon is being shaped into another version of the Night's King: I do think there is some purpose in giving Needle to Arya in the end. It seems likely to me that Jon will receive the true death at the hands of 'no man' of the Faceless lot or by someone who is 'no man'. Either Arya or Brienne. The question is whether Jon drank from the 'black cup' when he took the oath of the Night's Watch. I'm always a bit suspect when 'no one' is identified in a passage. "No One" being the god of many faces sending Yoren to save old Mormont?
  7. Yes it is Aegon and Elia in the room with Rhaegar. Although we don't know the third person. Dany doesn't see the person so assumes Rhaegar is speaking to her. Songs are written about the events that unfold. Aegon and everyone else is caught up in the song of ice and fire; it isn't specifically Aegon's song except that he may play a part in it. It is a song that doesn't have an ending at this point. Why do the crannogmen swear by ice and fire?
  8. I do like the idea that Benjen had his wings clipped and there is also the old proverb "dark wings, dark words" to consider. We're told that it's a common phrase to expect bad tidings when the ravens show up. It's used several times in the text for that reason although I wonder about the origin of the phrase and I don't think it has anything to do with ravens.
  9. It's an odd thing for the bird to do. It isn't just mimicry but something more I suspect. I've been trying to pinpoint just when the bird becomes more vocal expanding on it's vocabulary rather than just repeating corn, corn, corn and if this marks the return of Benjen Stark. I've wondered if Mormont's Raven is the first bird to be used to spy on Mance.
  10. Which calls to mind Mance Rayder another Bael type character who flew down from the Wall for a woman. Only we are not told which side of the Wall. Here's a curious thing about Mance Rayder's raven winged-helm and Mormont's Raven: It seems the raven has seen Mance Rayder's helm and knows something of Mance's purpose. Craster is amused when the bird imitates the raven helm after Mormont offers to escort and protect the wildlings at the Wall. No doubt Craster is familiar with the helm and Mance's purpose as well. This suggest that the bird has been used for spying and retains memories of what it has seen. So perhaps we are looking at Uncle Benjen after all. This is the only time the bird repeats another name besides Jon Snow, making it into two separate names.
  11. Interesting! I hadn't considered Sam but given his association with a green man (Coldhands) and the fact that he carries the mysterious broken horn; Gilly and Crastor's boy; he could very well be the blue flower growing from a chink in the wall (the Black Gate).
  12. Sorry, I'm still getting sorted out and my bookshelf has come apart, I need some DIY gorilla glue. But let me throw this out there from Dany's vision in the HoU: So far, the most common interpretation is that this is a blue winter rose, it represents either Jon or Bran. Others have pointed out that flowers almost always represent females in the story. I tend to agree. In this case, I think the blue flower represents Shireen Baratheon, a character that can be described as sweet-natured. Her mother is a Forent and their sigil includes a garland of blue flowers. I'm reminded that the Tudor rose was a very fragrant, simple rose. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/File:House_Florent.PNG So if this a vision or a "morrow not yet made"; I wonder about Shireen's significance given her association with Patchface; her night terrors and dragon dreams. The chink in the wall of ice could very well be the Black Gate and Stannis has plans to house Shireen, Selyse and Melisandre at the Night Fort. That seems like a nightmare in the making. To add to the mystery; Dany only sees a blue flower in her vision. It's Jorah who calls it a blue rose and he wasn't party to her vision.
  13. Hooray! I'm finally moved into my new place. I'm surrounded by boxes and loose ends.
  14. This is also interesting. Othor and Jafr are not animated in any way when Jon's party finds them. There is no mention of the cold emanating from their bodies. Ghost does not react to them in the same way that he reacts to the animated wight. Nobody feels the slight bit drowsy. Jon is roused from sleep by Ghost and Mormont, in spite of the commotion takes some time to wake up. Even Mormont's Raven is affected since he failed to give an alarm. Sam's question about the cold: "It get cold when they come" fits the situation with Othor and Jafr. Who they might be is the question. Although the eye are blue, they don't appear to 'see'; they are empty vessels until the soul of ice makes an entrance, to quote Melisandre. I'm reminded of glass candles for some reason and the necessity for making a connection through touch. This seems to be the case with Dany and Quaithe. So long as the wight/candles are lit and their bodies are not destroyed with fire; they can use the wights as portals to get past the Wall. Going after Mormont was a strategic manoeuver not a mindless zombie free for all.
  15. I think it comes to the question of the green men: Bran expects him to be green or dress in green but I don't think that's what Old Nan meant. "Coldhands," said Bran impatiently. "The green men ride on elks, Old Nan used to say. Sometimes they have antlers too." -A Storm of Swords - Bran IV Meera and Jojen are startled to hear about the elk and the ravens and must have heard something of the green men from their father but not expecting a green man to be out of place. So I'm guessing a green man isn't raised by fire or ice. A magical creature is as good an answer as we can expect at this point. Every tree on the island was given a face... does that include soldier pines and sentinel trees? We have seen other trees with carved faces that weren't weirwood. When Meera recounts the story of the laughing knight; she says that her father's prayer were answered: And so the little crannogman's prayer was answered . . . by the green men, or the old gods, or the children of the forest, who can say?" These strange magical powers extend to binding Sam with silence never to speak of Bran. He takes an oath three times to Jojen, Bran and Coldhands. Those powers might extend to making the Black Gate appear when Coldhands is present even if he can't pass. Coldhands may be bound the gate as it's gatekeeper which might explain why he can't pass. Or the power of the Wall or the Gate, in some way extends to Coldhands preventing the cold fire from invading. Melisandre who has been made aware of the Black Gate later tells Jon the there is power in the Wall that he can use:
  16. I do see elements of the Russian in Coldhands and also the ferryman of the hero's journey when one passes the Wall from the known to the unknown. In that regard, I also see elements of the Russian in Jojen who is tasked by the 3EC to get Bran to where he needs to go since Coldhands cannot pass the Wall. I'm not sure that BR is the 3EC and so I suppose BR sounds more like a combination of Kurtz and the Manager of the company. I'm not sure where the waysations are located in the story. Winterfell is the starting point for the Stark kids and while Bran passes the next waystation at the Wall and travels on to the 'heart of darkness'; Jon hasn't progressed beyond that point and Arya is located at another inner station in Braavos and yet to pass the threshold guardian: Dany's journey to the heart of darkness takes her into the House of Undying with it's puzzles, lies, temptations and traps. We are given a false version of the above when Dany meets the Undying although she is warned that they have nought to give her: Dany is also flees from the 'darkness' behind her and is fearful of looking backwards to face the thing that persues her. This is her own shadow; the rejected part of herself, the dark side of her psyche that she must face and transcend at some point. http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/7/watson7art.htm We could probably trace the hero's journey for most of the major characters of the story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero's_journey
  17. Now you've made me revisit the Heart of Darkness. LOL “Something about the howling of a wolf took a man right out of his here and now and left him in a dark forest of the mind, running naked before the pack.” Tyrion GoT @ravenous reader Are we really talking about the heart of darkness or the dark forest of the mind? Machado's poem sounds suspiciously similar to Frost's 'The Road Not Taken' and the traveller's journey to the tangled undergrowth, that one cannot go back and take the other path because the only path that exists is the one that is made by the traveller. The Hero's journey is through the dark places of the mind (subconcious/dreaming); the Hero's journey doesn't seem to be confined to just Bran/Marlow but to cripples, bastards and broken things, including Tyrion, Jon, and Arya..... and others.
  18. Since Maggy the Frog did make an appearance in the HBO version; I'm going to say this is the part where a younger, more beautiful Queen takes over now that all her children are dead. Cersei wants revenge on Dorne because of Marcella and Euron's gifts are poison. So the Sand Snakes. It follows that Euron's gift to Dany will be Cersei. As king, he can offer her the Iron Throne through marriage. Tyrion is in Dany's camp, so I doubt he is Euron's target. The show isn't the book, however:
  19. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YinYangBomb And quite by accident, I came across Euron Crow's Eye: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedRightHand
  20. This passage reminds me of Tyrion, who seems oddly tuned into the old powers: GRRM's use of the term, flag of mourning is interesting since there are no references to flags flying at half mast in the story. When flags are lowered to half mast, it's to make room for the 'invisible flag of death' flying above. So perhaps a reference to the three-eyed crow and the black banner of the Night's Watch. The wolf and the crow.... Jon Snow.
  21. Taste of ashes in the mouth fits the firey resurrection theme in my books Dany's 'wake the dragon' dream is very similar to Bran's coma dream although Bran is flirting with the line; he doesn't quite cross over. He is given the choice to fly or die. Dany's dream takes place during MMD's ritual when she wakes old powers, one of whom is the man limned in flame. In her dream she sees him as the black dragon who sings to her. This isn't Drogon but another dragon. More specifically, a dragon-god... R'hllor, who chooses her to be the mother of dragons and gives her immunity to the flames for that purpose. Dragons become gods when they contain the consciousness of a man or woman. R'hllor was once a man who became a dragon: R'hllor, R'haegar, R'haella, R'haenys etc. (Hat tip to Frey Family Reunion for that bit of nomenclature). The error creeps in with the translation. LOL. The madness of Targaryens drinking fire and transforming into a dragon; probably has something to do with dreams of their dragon-gods. Becoming a dragon is a skin-changer trick and so is a second life as a dragon. That is the riddle of the valyrian sphinx - a dragon with the head of a man or woman. R'hllor might be another version of Azor Ahai and the be reborn AA, you have to give up your body and become the dragon.
  22. Oh my! That's a good question since Beric says he wakes with the taste of ash in his mouth. For some reason I'm reminded of the weirwood at Whitetree with it's mouth filled with burnt offerings. And dragons. It's also odd that Beric cuts his hand and sets his sword on fire with his blood and yet when Sandor makes the killing thrust; we don't see any flames shooting out of the cut. So just the firey hand then.
  23. More Christian symbolism of John, the one who comes before: ...I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn....
  24. I agree that Bran has gone underground, but then again so has Meera, Jojen and Hodor. The world must think he is dead so nobody comes looking for him. I don't disagree with the symbolism of death and rebirth around Bran, especially the coma dream. He doesn't quite fit the conditions for Azor Ahai reborn. That seems to fit both Jon and Dany. To my mind, he doesn't fit the sword shattered in water, the heart of a lion or forged in the heart of fire. That fits more with Tyrion, Jon and Dany in that order. I agree. Bran fits more with the Prince Who is Promised. The One who will heal the realm if Rhaegar's interpretation stands. To that end, the powers of ice and fire can't be allowed to raise the dead. Bran has to make sure that the dead can't rise again as malevolent ghouls bent on war, death and destruction. He has to repair what has been damaged in the past.
  25. Oh a trip to the heavens! That's very interesting about the eight-sided building. Bran does have the 'christ-figure' imagery about him. Christ was the archetypal sin-eater figure. Bran is later wed to the tree or god-head, the cross he must bare. In his baptism, he is cleansed of original sin. But he doesn't strike as dead or reborn or resurrected in the sense that Dany and Jon are filling that role. Bran is certainly transformed. I think the Azor Ahai story is a composite character with several instruments or swords in the making, rather than one, each with their own purpose. Although I have to stick with Dany as the one who most closely fits the salt tears, smoke and bleeding star conditions during and after MMD's ritual. But she is only one of three.