serlihis

The thing is, Walder Frey, in Cat's words "is a dangerous man to cross", right? Robb needed him though and made vows to get what he wants. BUT even though Robb was warned, he still breaks his vows and as I understand, noble families have always "spat" on the Freys. You don't do that to a man who is known to be dangerous and holds something very essential to your cause (men and the bridge). This doesn't approve the violation of guest right and the massacre of RW but Walder Frey got his excuse to betray him. And a sly man he is, he betrays him when he knows he gets "protection" from Tywin. And Roose, I think the Starks have never trusted Boltons (got the expression from Ned). I think Robb put too much faith in him. When Robb looks like he is losing the war, Roose turns his cloak. Like Ned said about Jaime goes well with Roose as well: "You served him well, when it was safe". As for Karstark thing, Robb decided to execute their lord as is suitable for Rickard's crimes. BUT if the Karstark are half of his army, what do you expect them to do when their lord is executed? Edmure, BF and Cat, they all (I think) suggested Robb to hold him as hostage until the fighting is done but Robb decided to behead him. I agree that Roose and Walder Frey do not have the courage to turn their cloaks openly so they go do thing like the RW.

I loved the episode. I have never been so nervous while watching TV-show/movie and my heart was beating while the set up was done for RW. I got spoiled for RW (my own stupidity) but when I read it, it shocked me. Obviously the TV-episode didn't hurt that much since already knew what's going to happen but still it was done greatly and felt bad. I didn't mind the most things nitpicked here (Roose's behavior, Grey Wind's death etc.) because I know TV's going to be different than books. This event was to be made a massacre, a bloodbath to shock viewers so letting Grey Wind die without a fight is understandable (would've been more expensive AND prob not so smooth looking). My only concern was the lack of Northeners defending Robb. I mean they CLEARLY had Wendel there but when the shit hit them, he disappeared. If they so clearly had Wendel being there near Robb, they could've let the viewers see Robb still had loyal men serving him who would defend the king til' death. But all in all, the episode was great. Looking forward for Final and after it's Dunk and Egg books for me until the new cast announcements and the 4th season.

Also we can think it was Robb who himself had this coming for him. He won every battle but made bad decisions, firstly broking his vow with the Freys. Then loosing some of his bannermen (Firstly the Freys, then Karstarks), leading to Roose betray him. 1. Tywin, Walder and Roose plots the whole thing. 2. Walder and Roose execute the massacre. 3. Stannis practices dark magic (hard to tell how much effort does it have) ALL preceding Robb's mistakes during the war. My first post!