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  1. Not really a question more an observation - what’s with all the “what if...?” threads lately? Seems like every new post is some hypothetical scenario of what might (but didn’t) happen.
  2. I hope this is supposed to be a joke [abusive comment deleted]. And if you read the rest of the paragraph, this does not sound like a confused old man.
  3. You’re ignoring the fact that toppling a dynasty means putting a new ruler in place of the old. I’m not going to risk going all Godwin on you, so I’ll use another example - would it make sense to depose Mussolini, only to give the power to his son, or his number one henchman? Sure, the victors often do this so they can have a puppet in charge for them to pull the strings, because tradition can play an important role in restoring peace. But it’s kind of ridiculous to argue that Robert, Ned et al would have turned to another Targ to put on the throne after deposing Aerys. And nobody killed Rhaella, she died in childbirth.
  4. I'm still not getting this from BR's words. He's being evasive, and goes on to quite specifically confirm that he's been visiting Bran in his dreams, so he doesn't sound the least bit confused to me, just being a bit cheeky by not answering directly.
  5. You're making a lot of assumptions, and ignoring the good points made above. Even if Renly did consider Selwyn and Brienne as inferior, his aunt was a part of their family and he would have shown them some level of courtesy out of respect for her memory. Plus the Baratheons were the liege lords of the Tarths, so there's no doubt that over the decades they had some interactions. Do you honestly believe they would never have acknowledged their family connections in all that time, to the point that Brienne doesn't even think of Renly as her cousin? I mean, it's good to speculate because the mystery is there to be picked apart and solved, but it's probably best to go by what's actually in the books, rather than take what the books tell us and then disregard it.
  6. And if you're fighting on the other side, toppling a tyrant usually means replacing an entire dynasty - you wouldn't get rid of a king whose madness may have been caused by generations of incest, only to replace him with a son who was even more inbred than the father.
  7. Yes. The entire Maidenvault saga actually. I want to hear it from the girls' POV. I hadn't even thought of that, but now I really want to know. And yes, for all the reasons you mentioned. There are so many Targs I find intriguing. I can't wait for Fire & Blood (OK, I can if it means we get TWOW first). BTW, sort of semi-related - did we ever find out what happened to Alys Rivers and her child? She had the sight, so I'm surprised I haven't read a "Mel is the child of Alys and Aemond" theory yet. YET.
  8. Ooh, good point. So it was common knowledge amongst soldiers in Rhaegar's army (or one, at least) that their Commander supposedly loved the woman he was fighting for. Then it can't have been a big mystery to the rest of the population, especially the nobility. Not that I ever suspected the soldiers thought they were fighting for the rights of kidnappers and rapists, but that's one less person who runs with Bobby B's official line. Poor George, he probably thought he was being really tricky by having most of the characters avoid talking or thinking about the whole scandal in too much detail. Then he could have hit the more clueless amongst us (which would have included me if I hadn't read RLJ online after my first read through) with the big twist - sadly, time and circumstances have overtaken him and that horse has long bolted; now the "reveal" will be pretty anticlimactic (although satisfying nevertheless - no doubt I'll want a cigarette afterwards).
  9. I'm calling it the Show because I love it, which is an unpopular opinion around these parts, but to me it's not a case of either/or - I can enjoy both, and I absolutely do.
  10. I always assumed that Bran was chained by his immobility, but BR/the 3EC would teach him to fly - which he would need to go metaphorically chain himself to a tree to achieve, but it would also open up a whole world of knowledge. Which yes, is the most obvious solution, but I like it best as it gives Bran the opportunity to live a life beyond his human limitations.
  11. Ned did hint to Arya that Lyanna played a part in her own downfall: It's not much, but in the face of the revelation that the mother he's always yearned to know about was actually raped, and died giving birth to him, it could help Jon (especially coming from Arya) to know that Ned felt Lyanna wasn't a helpless victim in all of it. So if the trial happened only a few days before the ceremony was set to take place, wouldn't this imply that Lyanna was way too early to be going to Riverrun for the wedding? By the time Brandon received news of her "abduction" and rode to KL, then Rickard was summoned and the trial took place, there would be a fairly decent interval, like weeks or even months, between Lyanna's "kidnapping" and Aerys' trial (and "a few short days" later, the wedding). Or am I wrong on the timeline? As for Kevan Lannister's belief that Rhaegar wanted sons, I think there's a large element of wounded Lannister pride in his recollections. He thought Cersei was more beautiful than Lyanna, and went on to give Robert two "sons" so she would undoubtedly have given Rhaegar sons as well (because in a world run by men like Tywin Lannister, isn't making sons what it's all about? As far as Kevan's concerned, that's all the motivation Rhaegar needed). But I believe Kevan suspects that it wasn't just Aerys that rejected the marriage with Cersei - Rhaegar didn't really want her either, or he could have kidnapped her and started a war over her - but no, he did all of that for the Stark girl (after he was married, which is a double slap in the face to Cersei). Whether it was all for prophecy, or they truly fell in love, the fact was that Rhaegar chose Lyanna and (again) not Cersei, and the Lannisters are still bitter over it. So the "Cersei would have given him sons, then he would never have run off with the wolf girl" is how the Lannisters justify it somehow. Not because Rhaegar saw something special in Lyanna, and may have ditched Cersei just as easily as he did Elia. And FWIW, I always got the impression that the other Houses considered the Lannisters too flashy and a touch nouveau riche with all their golden hair and golden money. Or maybe it's just that Cat's a snob. And Aerys, apparently.
  12. You hurt my heart saying that. I was so sure the book would be out by Xmas, and we'd spend the break discussing all the new revelations. I'm sad.
  13. Which is pretty much what the book says at face value. I'm somewhere in the middle between this on one side and the child lived (and is most likely Allyria) on the other, but I'm still on the fence. Ashara is IMO kept deliberately vague because of her involvement after (or maybe even during) the events of the TOJ, but the possibility of a deeper mystery is intriguing and I want there to be more to it than the tragedy we're given on the page, with none of the three (A/B/baby) or Arthur surviving.
  14. Why do you think that, though? Because Barbrey says: So are you saying he only liked the sight of Barbrey's maiden blood, but nobody else's? Is that a thing with guys when they want to marry a girl (as you claim) but take their virginity before they're even betrothed? Then they stare admiringly at the blood on their cock? Sorry to be crude, but this is exactly what Barbrey is describing, and unless Brandon had a thing for conquering maidens, it makes no sense that he would enjoy the sight of Barbrey's blood if he truly loved her, and even if he didn't it's still a douchey thing to do. I know you don't want Brandon to be a player, but that is a direct quote from the woman who loved him and is still bitter about losing him all these years later. We don't know if he loved Barbrey - maybe he did, but not enough to defy his father and marry her. And as Barbrey says (in Brandon's own words), Brandon liked to get blood on his sword. You're disregarding or trying to explain away all the things George is telling us about Brandon (and there are surprisingly few details, so the ones we get should at least give us an outline of his character) because you don't want to believe he'd be such a douchebag to his younger brother by taking the girl he likes. But even that isn't confirmed - we don't know if Ned had a crush on her, because he never thinks about her once. And if he did, that might not have stopped Brandon taking what he wanted, because he was "never shy" about it, unlike Ned the shy wolf. But there are already plenty of Ashara threads.
  15. Nobody's learning anything from that, though. You made it up in another thread and now you're treating it as though it's accepted mythology, because one meaning of Brandon that you googled is beacon on the hill. Google also says it means hill covered with broom, but that's not really sexy enough to fit in with the whole Bloodstone Hightower Empire of the Hugazors thing you're so sold on.
  16. I don't know if Allyria is the daughter of Ashara and Brandon, or if Ashara truly did lose her baby and throw herself into the sea. There aren't enough clues in the books for me to be sure yet, but I'm confident this is a mystery that George plans to reveal by the end. I would love for their child to still be alive, to have another Starklet running around (Ashara too, for that matter). But after five books and no (confirmed) appearance, I don't know how significant this child is likely to be if it still exists. And I also think some people interpret Barry's "soon after" a little too rigidly. It doesn't have to mean the next day or the same week, and he's an old man recalling this fifteen years later.
  17. Please don't turn this into another Rhaegar/Ashara thread.
  18. I could go even further and speculate that Brandon used that very fact (that he was "too shy to leave his bench") to approach Ashara and ask her to be his co-conspirator in getting his shy brother to dance. As in, ask her to come over to "his bench" and persuade Ned to dance, instead of Brandon going back to relay her acceptance to a waiting Ned. In my scenario, Ned is reluctant rather than anxiously anticipating the outcome of Brandon's quest. Why would the socially awkward guy want the two hottest people in the room intimidating him into doing something he doesn't want to? So Brandon forms an instant bond with Ashara in order to do something nice for his plain, shy younger brother - making himself look good (with a bonus of making her feel pretty good about herself, too, by doing something kind for the younger brother) thereby setting up for romantic shenanigans later. Smooth. And yes I know I'm reading a lot into six words! I'm having a slow morning, but I stand by my original post.
  19. Well I personally don't apply it to everything in a fantasy series with layers of mystery, but there is certainly something to be said for weighing up the evidence and applying it to that. If you look at Jon's parentage, for example, Occam's Razor says Ned is his father because the characters all acknowledge it on the page. But take the clues for R+L=J against, say, R+Ashara=J/D/?, you have Ned's recurring dreams/flashbacks to the events surrounding Lyanna's death, "Promise me Ned" and "Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna" plus a whole bunch of other references to the kidnapping/elopement; versus "some lady throwing herself off some tower because her stupid prince was dead", and then a whole lot of speculation because there isn't anything else in the books to suggest it. So, applying Occam's Razor to the evidence, you would say that the first column needs the least assumptions to make sense, versus the second where you need to make up a lot of stuff (and some of it pretty out there) in order for it to work. Nobody but an automaton would read the books and take everything at face value. But there's a limit, to me at least. We're talking about an actual human author, not a thousand monkeys.
  20. I've suggested before (many times, probably bored you all with it) that Brandon asked Ashara to dance off his own bat as a way in with her, while making himself look like a good guy (and coincidentally, highlighting the differences between his charming self and his shy, plain brother at the very first opportunity). It's not like he could ask her to dance himself, being already betrothed. So he needed a way to speak to her, and make a favourable impression (which worked - she said yes). But after reading this thread I looked at that quote again, and the words: make me even more convinced - Ned wasn't just too shy to ask Ashara, he was too shy to dance at all, and most likely didn't even want Brandon to play wingman for him. This doesn't sound like a guy who asked his older brother to intervene on his behalf, but rather, he would more likely protest that he's just fine where he is, because he doesn't want to leave his bench (like a true wallflower, blending into the background). If George was trying to imply that Ned did want Brandon to intervene for him, he could have written "but only after the wild wolf spoke to her on behalf of a brother too shy to ask her himself". But he doesn't say that.
  21. I have to disagree with this. I don’t think he’s puzzled or confused, I think he’s being vague and talking in riddles. So many Bloodraven theories are centred around this quote, but I don’t think it means what you think it means.
  22. Any baby swap theories involving Dany being taken from the TOJ/Starfall to Dragonstone/Sunspear/Braavos to be passed off as the dead baby of Rhaella (because, why?) or that she's just some random silver-haired infant that someone with foresight decided to lump with Viserys-on-the-run in case one day in the future he needed a bargaining chip. And who luckily turned out to have the ability to hatch dragons.
  23. I agree that an explanation isn't really needed either, but I was just pointing out that there are other ways to interpret the text. I also agree that "Melisandre of Asshai" doesn't have to mean that's where she's originally from, only where she is known to have emerged from at some point - where she came from before that isn't really important.
  24. If you want to be tricky you could interpret it as "it was a lesson she learned long before the lessons she learned in Asshai". She might have been in Asshai, then left to learn a lesson, then came back to Asshai for more lessons. Yeah, I'm not really buying it either, but it's one explanation.