Bael's Bastard

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  1. Interesting idea.
  2. I also think Aerys probably went back and forth over the years on whether he believed Rhaegar was plotting against him, especially from the time leading up to Harrenhal until his death. What Aerys thought leading up to Harrenhal is not necessarily the same as what he thought after Harrenhal, and what he thought after Harrenhal is not necessarily the same as what he thought after Lyanna was kidnapped, and what he thought after Lyanna was kidnapped is not necessarily the same as what he thought after Rhaegar returned after the Battle of the Bells, and what he thought after Rhaegar returned after the Battle of the Bells is not necessarily the same as what he thought after Rhaegar's death during the Battle of the Trident. I think his belief on the matter might have changed a number of times over the last couple years. How that extended to Rhaegar's friends in the KG, and how that manifested in his orders to them over those years, I don't know.
  3. Ah, I see, no problem.
  4. It's entirely possible that Alysanne was against polygamy. But whatever the case, I think the lack of polygamy after Maegor was an internal Targaryen decision, and not acknowledgement of the Faith's prohibition applying to them. Jaehaerys knew very well the dangers of polygamy. All his elder brothers were murdered by the son of his father's other wife. His widowed sister was forced to marry the same man, who took possession of her daughters. Granted, it is Rhaenys's line - including Jaehaerys - that would not exist without Aegon's polygamy. But the lessons of Aegon's multiple wives and the wars between their descendants are plain to see, and the consequences very fresh for Jaehaerys. Aegon's polygamy produced heirs murdered and usurped by their half-sibling. Maegor's polygamy produced no heirs at all. But Jaehaerys and his successors had no need to concede the prohibition on polygamy to the Faith as applying to them. If the Faith can suck it up when it comes to the incest that Targaryens intend to maintain, they can suck it up when it comes to the rare polygamous situation. There is always the possibility that Targaryens may require it in the future to boost their numbers. Even if they shun it for decades or centuries, it makes no sense that they would prohibit themselves when they may one day require it.
  5. Almost half of Aerys's KG is portrayed as having been associated with Rhaegar's faction before the war. That doesn't automatically mean they would have outright broken their vows to Aerys in favor of Rhaegar, but it was a complicated situation that might have required them to make choices about what it meant to fulfill their vows. KG aren't robots, especially in times of war and upheaval. Just look at Criston Cole.
  6. "No, it wouldn't" what? That comment makes no sense in response to mine. There is a good chance that Arthur Dayne and Oswell Whent were among the half dozen closest friends and confidants of Rhaegar (the World book only explicitly names six men that can be described as either) that set out with him when he ultimately kidnapped Lyanna. Dayne was widely known to have been Rhaegar's best friend, and Whent was suspected of having helped Rhaegar arrange the Harrenhal Tourney to discuss dealing with Aerys with as many great lords as possible. And unlike Jon Connington, Myles Mooton, and Lewyn Martell, who all eventually returned to fight for House Targaryen in the war, there is a good chance that Dayne and Whent never again returned to King's Landing once they disappeared.
  7. Lord Manfred Hightower is claimed to have offered his youngest daughter to Aegon I while he was already married to both of his sisters. King Argilac Durrandun also offered his daughter to Aegon while he was already married to both sisters. I don't remember the exact wording, but after Rhaenys died, it is said that a number of lords and knights presented their daughters to Aegon while he was still married to Visenya. While I do not doubt that some in Westeros had genuine disgust about incest and perhaps even polygamy, it seems there were no shortage of great lords that were eager to marry the incestuous, polygamous royal family.
  8. I wouldn't be surprised if Aerys's orders to Hightower included bringing Dayne and Whent back to King's Landing to face punishment.
  9. It seems obvious that no Targaryen king ever formally acknowledged the prohibition against polygamy as applying to House Targaryen. It probably wasn't very common for them anyway, and it just hasn't been in their own best interest to do. The enmity between Visenya/Maegor and the children of Rhaenys led to an usurpation and a cold civil war. By the time Maegor was dead, just one of the five Targ males that were left after Aegon I's death in 37 remained: Jaehaerys I. The male line was nearly wiped out within fifty years of the conquest. And the Targs soon learned that threat of succession issues, usurpation, and civil war was already real enough without polygamy. Jaehaerys I had tons of children with his only wife, which eventually led to competing claims. Viserys I had children with two wives he was married to at different times, which eventually led to competing claims, and all out civil war. Even Aegon IV's children with non-wives eventually produced a competing claim against his trueborn son and heir, and all out civil war.
  10. He is still called Robar at least once in one of the final paragraphs.
  11. There are a bunch of ridiculous theories, but I can't say I have ever heard this one, let alone often. I have seen people suggest that Benjen might have been privy to more information about feelings or plans between Lyanna and Rhaegar, but that isn't so far fetched.
  12. "As for the Night's King (the form I prefer), in the books he is a legendary figure, akin to Lann the Clever and Brandon the Builder, and no more likely to have survived to the present day than they have."
  13. The reigns of Maekar I, Aegon V, and Jaehaerys II by far. Unfortunately, it seems they are the ones that are going to be withheld the longest.
  14. Great points.
  15. I doubt Jon's eyes are any shade of purple, but I do think that the darkness of Jon's shade of grey may be influenced by his Targaryen ancestry. In AGOT, Bran's POV describes Jon's eyes as a grey so dark they seemed almost black. This is somewhat similar to the description of Young Griff's eyes in Tyrion's POV in ADWD as being blue and dark, but appearing black in the lamplight, and seeming purple in the light of dusk. We must also consider that there is more to traits than hair and eye color. His hair could favor Rhaegar's in texture, his nose, or jaw, or cheeks, or frame, or any number of traits could favor Rhaegar. Jon also has Blackwood ancestry on both sides, from Betha paternally, and from Melantha maternally. Also keep in mind that Orys Baratheon was rumored to be half-Targaryen despite having black hair and black eyes.