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  1. A place for small questions that you feel don't need a thread of their own... Useful Links: Trying to find a quote, but don't have ebooks? Try A Search of Ice and Fire. Looking for that one So Spake Martin (SSM)? Try this SSM search engine For an overview of GRRM's ASOIAF-related Not a Blog entries, look at The Complete Notablog ASOIAF Resource For a quick overview of all that we know about The Winds of Winter, look at The Complete Winds of Winter Resource A list of all Small Questions threads of the past: Don't feel like reading through all those previous threads to find the answer to your question? Try this new feature: Most Frequently asked Small Questions On The Winds of Winter: When will "The Winds of Winter" be published? What's the latest news? Nobody knows. The best bet is to follow GRRM's blog. GRRM himself has expressed in December, 2014: Look, I've said before, and I will say again, I don't play games with news about the books. I know how many people are waiting, how long they have been waiting, how anxious they are. I am still working on WINDS. When it's done, I will announce it here [on GRRM's site]. There won't be any clues to decipher, any codes or hidden meanings, the announcement will be straightforward and to the point. I won't time it to coincide with Xmas or Valentine's Day or Lincoln's Birthday, the book will not rise from the dead with Jesus on Easter Sunday. When it is done, I will say that's it is done, on whatever day I happen to finish.I don't know how I can make it any clearer. On January 2nd, 2016, GRRM stated the following on his blog: THE WINDS OF WINTER is not finished. Believe me, it gave me no pleasure to type those words. You're disappointed, and you're not alone. My editors and publishers are disappointed, HBO is disappointed, my agents and foreign publishers and translators are disappointed... but no one could possibly be more disappointed than me. For months now I have wanted nothing so much as to be able to say, "I have completed and delivered THE WINDS OF WINTER" on or before the last day of 2015. But the book's not done. Nor is it likely to be finished tomorrow, or next week. Yes, there's a lot written. Hundreds of pages. Dozens of chapters. (Those 'no pages done' reports were insane, the usual garbage internet journalism that I have learned to despise). But there's also a lot still left to write. I am months away still... and that's if the writing goes well. (Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't.) Chapters still to write, of course... but also rewriting. I always do a lot of rewriting, sometimes just polishing, sometimes pretty major restructures. The blog entry further details the writing process of 2015, and states that it is almost certain that the book won't be released before the sixth season of GOT airs, mid-April. What's the material that has already been published or revealed from The Winds of Winter? Spoiler tagged for obvious reasons On the tales of Dunk & Egg, and links to the main series: How many Dunk & Egg stories have been published? Where are they published in? Three Dunk and Egg stories are published at the moment. For now, they are 1. The Hedge Knight A short story to be found either in "Legends, edited by Robert Silverberg" or in "Dreamsongs II by George R.R. Martin". There is also a rendition as a graphic novel by the same name: "The Hedge Knight". 2. The Sworn Sword A short story to be found either in "Legends II - Dragon, Sword and King, edited by Robert Silverberg" or in the original hard- and softcover editions of "Legends II" from 2003 & 2004. There is also a rendition as a graphic novel by the same name: "The Sworn Sword". 3. The Mystery Knight A short story to be found either in "Warriors, edited by George R.R. Martin and Gardner Dozois" or in the paperback "Warriors 1, edited by George R.R. Martin and Gardner Dozois". No graphic novel... yet. Two more Dunk & Egg stories yet to be written have already been described. They are known as "The She-wolves of Winterfell" and "The Village Hero". Both of these are working titles, though, not final titles. Four additional titles have been mentioned by Martin: "The Sellsword", "The Champion", "The Kingsguard", and "The Lord Commander". Will the Dunk & Egg tales be published in one book? The first three tales of Dunk and Egg will be published in one book, titled "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms", to be released in english on 6-10-2015. In some other languages, however, it has already been published. "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" will contain pages filled with artwork, which the other versions don't have. Was Dunk ever knighted by Ser Arlan? In spoiler tags: Are there any descendants of Dunk alive in the series today? Yes. GRRM has expressed that we'd meet one of Dunk's descendants. Brienne of Tarth finds the shield Dunk owns in The Hedge Knight. Hodor is often heavily suspected to be a descendant of Dunk's due to his enormous size, and the fact that people believe the young girl and the "knight as tall as Hodor" in the vision Bran sees in A Dance with Dragons are Old Nan (in her youth) and Dunk, and that the event is to take place during The She-Wolves of Winterfell. Small Paul (from the Night's Watch) has also been suggested to be a descendant of Dunks, due to his size and the mention of "thick as a castle wall", which is also used to describe Dunk. On the main series: When was Robert Baratheon declared King? Around the time of the Battle of the Trident. Why were Ned and Robert at the Eyrie when mad king Aerys II sent to Jon Arryn for their heads? It is true Ned and Robert were past their squiring and fostering age, when they visited Jon Arryn together at the Eyrie at that certain time. There is clarification on this both in TWoIaF and an older SSM telling that they liked to spend some of their time there together. What is the right of the first night? The right of the first night, better known as droit du seigneur (which only looks French, although it is English usage, the French use different terminology) or jus primae noctis is a medieval custom that has been abolished in Westeros (by Jaeherys I & Septon Barth) as in the real world (apart from a few small islands in the English channel). It allows the lord to be the first to consummate any marriage before the husband, thus potentially to sire numerous bastard children. In the real world, husbands would pay a fee to their lord for not making use of this right. What is "guest right" and why is it so important? The guest right is a sacred law of hospitality. When a guest, no matter the station of birth, eats the food and drinks the drink beneath the host's roof, the guest right is invoked. Bread and salt are the traditional provisions. When invoked, neither the guest is allowed to do harm to his host, nor is the host allowed to do harm to his guest for the length of the guest's stay. For either to do so would be to break a sacred covenant that is believed to invoke the wrath of the Gods both old and new. Both the teachings of the old gods and the Faith of the Seven hold to this. Even robber lords and wreckers are bound by the ancient laws of hospitality. Guest gifts can be given when the guests depart, ending the guest right. House Manderly practises this tradition in A Dance with Dragons. Breaking the guest right is seen as a terrible thing. The example stated in the books concern the Rat Cook. A cook in the Night's Watch who killed the kings son, and cooked the son in a pie he served to the king, leading to the unknowingly eating his own son. The gods punished the Rat Cook, by turning him into a giant rat who could only feed by eating its own young. The gods did not punish the cook for feeding the king his own son, but for killing a man beneath his own roof. Does the Wall block warging? It appears so. Jon Snow isn't capable of connecting with Ghost anymore, when they have the Wall in between them, nor can Jon, warged in Ghost, feel Summer when Summer is north of the Wall, and Jon and Ghost south. Whether this is the same for each warg/skinchanger, or depends on the strength of the individual, is a matter of discussion. It does appear that Bran, warged into the weirwood net, can see south of the Wall, whilst being north of it. What's the kindness Jaime never did? Jaime is referring to Tysha, and how Tyrion believed that Jaime bought Tysha's services to make Tyrion into a man (making him lose his virginity). Jaime never paid Tysha, however, as Tysha wasn't a whore. In other words, a kindness that Jaime never did. In A Dance with Dragons, Septon Chayle is at the Wall. Wasn't he the septon at Winterfell? Didn't he die in A Clash of Kings? Indeed. This is an error., Septon Cellador is the Septon at Castle Black. Septon Chayle, as far as is known, is dead. If the gates in King's Landing were closed, how did Arya get to the harbor? You need to cross a gate... A well known issue. People have tried to find explanations for it, but most have not yet been satisfied. Here's the most recent given explanation. How come Cersei and Margaery need a Kingsguard Knight to defend them in their trials in A Dance with Dragons, while Gregor Clegane, not a Kingsguard Knight, was allowed to defend Cersei in Tyrion's trial in A Storm of Swords? Because in Tyrion's trial, it wasn't Cersei who stood accused.. Tyrion was accused, Cersei the accuser. Tyrion didn't necessarily need to use a Kingsguard knight in that trial because he isn't royalty. In Cersei's case in Dance (and in Margaery's case, should she opt for a trial by combat, should her first trial fail), Cersei is the Queen Regent, Margaery the Queen. They are royalty, and it is them who stand accued. They are not the accusers. Thus, they need a Kingsguard to defend them. If knights are custom of the followers of the Seven, why there are knights in the North (Old Gods) and in the Iron Islands (Drowned God)? There aren't many. So far we know of a single Ironborn knight. Knights from the North spring forth from a few sources: 1. White Harbor and the Manderlys The Manderys in White harbor brought the new gods and Southern customs along, so knighthood is more common there. 2. Houses near the Neck Houses who have business with the South may have a few knights, as customs mingle. 3. War returnees Some Northerners simply get knighted by Southern nobility during war time, it cannot be helped. Ser Jorah Mormont is an example. 4. Hedge Knights and Freeriders People living the life of a hedge knight or freeriders in service in the South might face the same treatment, when the do too many chivalrous deeds, although an example is missing here. Who can make a knight? Any knight can make a knight. As knighthood is a form of distinction, the higher in renown or social status the maker, the better for the image of the knight made. Kings can also knight people, but lords cannot (unless they have once been knighted themselves). So for example, King Robert Baratheon, knighted in his youth, can knight people (and has) because he is a knight himself, and because he is a king. King Baelor I, a king, but not a knight, could have knighted anyone he wanted to. Lord Eddard Stark, never knighted himself, can't knight anyone. Which Targaryens had deformed children? * King Maegor I Targaryen (multiple malformed children by multiple wives) * Daemon Targaryen (a malformed son by Lady Laena Velaryon) * Rhaenyra Targaryen (a malformed stillborn daughter, Visenya, by Prince Daemon, according to Mushroom) * Daenerys Targaryen (a malformed stillborn son, Rhaego, by Khal Drogo) How big do dragons grow? Dragons seem just to grow if they get enough food and space. How old are Dany's dragons as of the end of Dance? Born in early 299 AC, the dragons are currently around 1,5 years old. Who is Jon Snow's mother? Have a look into the first post of the current (fixed) R+L=J thread in the General ASoIaF forum. It links to collections of theories on Jon Snow's parentage. Who are the marcher lords? Marcher lords are powerful lords who guard region near border with Dorne, known as the Dornish Marches. They have large keeps and maintain large forces, to defend lands of the Reach and Stormlands in case of Dornish attack. Marcher lords: - in the Stormlands: House Selmy, House Dondarrion, House Swann, House Caron - in the Reach: House Tarly, possibly House Peake When Arya is serving at Harrenhal, she sees Roose Bolton cautionly turning the pages of a very ornate and fragile book, before throwing it to the fire. Do we know which book was that? No. Any other questions: Is The Ice Dragon part of the asoiaf universe? No, it is not. Continue
  2. I did not create the timeline I am able to edit it (and have done so, trying to fix issues and find new clues in the books), but that started only after it was already created.
  3. Ran, If Alyssa does not have a Targaryen mother, what about the statement of TRP that Laenor Velaryon had Targaryen blood on both sides of his lineage? Because that seems to imply that his father, Lord Corlys, had a reasonably recent Targaryen ancestor. But I could be mistaken.
  4. The books don't state it specifically. Only that Eddard travelled to Winterfell to bring Robert's suit to Rickard, and that Rickard accepted. ADWD states that Maester Walys gave Rickard the idea to betroth Brandon to Catelyn Tully, which might be a suggestion for him having inspired the betrothal between Robert and Lyanna as well, but if that is the case, we have yet to learn about it. The app states that Robert conceived a passion for Lyanna, and was the one to propose the betrothal; That Eddard was delighted by it; And that Rickard accepted it. In Game, it is implied that Robert has never been to the North “I was starting to think we would never reach Winterfell,” Robert complained as they descended. “In the south, the way they talk about my Seven Kingdoms, a man forgets that your part is as big as the other six combined.” “I trust you enjoyed the journey, Your Grace?” Robert snorted. “Bogs and forests and fields, and scarcely a decent inn north of the Neck. I’ve never seen such a vast emptiness. Where are all your people?” Are you thinking of this passage? “Come south with me, and I’ll teach you how to laugh again,” the king promised. “You helped me win this damnable throne, now help me hold it. We were meant to rule together. If Lyanna had lived, we should have been brothers, bound by blood as well as affection. Well, it is not too late. I have a son. You have a daughter. My Joff and your Sansa shall join our houses, as Lyanna and I might once have done.”
  5. Aerea and Rhaella were hiding in Westeros, Alyssa and her younger children were, according to rumors, not. Queen Alyssa and her two youngest children remained in hiding (it was thought that they had fled across the narrow sea, to Tyrosh or perhaps Volantis), but they still represented a threat to Maegor's crown and any son he might father. Tyanna might have had her connections back in Pentos, but considering the suggested locations, it doesn't seem like that's where they went. It is likely that she was chained while he was still alive, yes. I don't know who might have decided to set her free. That might have been Alyssa, or simply a decision from someone serving at Dragonstone after Alyssa left, before Maegor and Visenya arrived. Perhaps Maegor or his mother even gave the order. A chained but unclaimed dragon on in the stables or in a courtyard would not be considered ideal, I'd say. Sure, they are animals. But George himself also described them to be intelligent (using, according to the SSM, that exact word), and regardless of the fact that they are animals, that means that they can make their own decisions. During the second Tumbleton, Tessarion, riderless, joined in the battle of Vermithor against Seasmoke on her own. Why? We don't know, but Gyldayn speculates: Who can know the heart of a dragon? Was it simple bloodlust that drove the Blue Queen to attack? Did the she-dragon come to help one of the combatants? If so, which? Some will claim that the bond between a dragon and dragonrider runs so deep that the beast shares his master’s loves and hates. But who was the ally here, and who the enemy? Does a riderless dragon know friend from foe? We shall never know the answers to those questions. The bolded part I find rather interesting. If indeed the dragon and dragonrider share a bond which causes the dragon to share the loves and hates of its rider, Quicksilver (who had essentially grown up together with Aenys, and been with him for ~thirty years) might have only followed Aenys's desire to give aid to his heir, whom he was clearly deeply concerned about.
  6. And yet, the dragonless Viserys did not claim his father's dragon. That we know, because if he had, Aegon would not have been able to claim the dragon later on. Viserys outlived his older brother, after all. She saw the safety of her children as more important than immediately trying to claim a dragon. A dragon is difficult to hide, after all. And risk leaving her children orphans? As far as I am aware, we don't know when Jaehaerys and Alysanne claimed their dragons. All we know is that by 48 AC, when Jaehaerys ascended the throne, they had bonded with their dragons, but that doesn't mean that they already had in early 42 AC. Dragons who have a rider are chained. Quicksilver had loat her rider, and thus might not have been anymore. She could have been roaming the Dragonmont freely, like the other rudderless dragon (both wild and previously ridden) did during the reign of Viserys I. As to choosing Crakehall over Driftmark, who knows? At Crakehall there was another dragon, at Driftmark not, as far as we know. That might have made a difference. And the Targaryens on Driftmark were reasonably safe, whereas Aegon and Rhaena were besieged. But dragons are intelligent creatures, so I can't say it is fair to assume that they cannot act on their own. Again, Alyssa's priorities might have been her children, not her husband's dragon. And I would think that she would have wanted to have arrived at Driftmark, not still be at sea. And acting fast would have been important. Alyssa could not predict how long Visenya would be gone.
  7. I might be misreading your reply, but it seems that you are argueing two positions that cannot co-exist. Either Prince Viserys was a dragonrider at the time of his father's death, or he was not. You seem to believe Viserys should have had a dragon of his own in 42 AC, yet you also argue that Quicksilver should have been claimed by Viserys on Dragonstone after Aenys's death. Prince Viserys is not mentioned as having had a dragon, or even an egg, so for the moment, I am going to assume that he hadn't been offered to claim one yet - he was only thirteen at the time, and perhaps the fact that his older brother, the Prince of Dragonstone, did not yet have a dragon he was bonded to was reason enough for his parents to decide he should not yet claim one. As for Quicksilver, when she left Dragonstone, we don't know. But if she had to flee, because Maegor or Visenya tried to attack her, or chain her up, her direction might not have been that strange. Aegon and Rhaena were two people she would have been familiar with, but perhaps even more importantly, aside from Dragonstone and KL, Crakehall Castle would have been the only place where another dragon resided, if I'm not mistaken. It would not only have been Aegon she might have been drawn to. As to why Viserys (and his younger siblings, for that matter), might not have attempted to claim a dragon of their own on Dragonstone after Visenya left... They had, at first, Aenys's cremation to deal with, saying goodbye to their father. After that, they left Dragonstone. "Within hours of [ Aenys's] funeral", Gyldayn writes. Alyssa seems to have made a clear choice: She'd rather ensure she and her children could flee to Driftmark, than risk still being at Dragonstone when Maegor and Visenya returned, only to attempt and claim a dragon.
  8. Sure, the situations are not entirely the same. Yet, dragons are intelligent creatures, and Quicksilver would have likely been most familiar with Aenys's heir, which could possibly have played a part. If Quicksilver would have needed to flee from Dragonstone, say, because Balerion and/or Vhagar had attacked her, that might have spurred her to seek out others she was familiar with... Thanks!
  9. 35 AC? Could you link that, because i cannot find that.. Or did you mean 25 AC?
  10. I certainly do think it is possible We are looking at a time period of 32 years, from 11 AC to 43 AC. I this time period, there were six High Septons (at least, since we know nothing about the number of High Septons in between 37 AC and 43 AC. It seems more likely to me that each of these High Septons served for a while in their office, than that five of them died with the timespan of 13 years, between 11 AC and 24 AC, and that the sixth served almost twice as long as his five predecessors did combined. The ninety-year old Septon who was chosen to succeed him and who died after a year, seems to be more of an exception than the rule in terms of how long a High Septon generally serves. Sure, there are nearly two decades in between. The first could, for example, perhaps have been the younger son of Lord Manfred who had taken his septon's vows, while the second was related to Martyn's wife or mother, or the husband of a sister of Martyn. There are quite a lot of possibilities. But with six High Septons in between 11 and 37 AC, I see no reason to assume that the guy who held the office in 24 AC must have been the same guy as in 43 AC. He could have been, but he just as well could have been someone else entirely.
  11. I personally don't see any contradiction of any kind here. So the guy is specified by name in one edition, but not in the other. That shouldn't matter. Is there anything that suggests that there is an inconsistency here? Not really. The only thing we don't know is how Daemon and Alyssa are related. The current family tree displays that properly. Again, I don't see anything here that has not already been solved. Ran's answer on Lord Varys's question (the next post in the link) is clear. Morgan is Martyn's brother, not the High Septon's. That's the error there. Patrice is the maiden aunt of Martyn and Morgan. A younger brother of Morgan and Martyn took his septon's vows. Whether he rose to be the High Septon, we don't know. That's never confirmed. Manfred Hightower, Lord of Oldtown, was a cautious lord, and godly. One of his younger sons served with the Warrior's Sons, and another had only recently taken vows as a septon. (TWOIAF, The Reign of the Dragons: The Conquest) The High Septon who lived during the Conquest died in 11 AC, and six others took the office between 11 AC and 37 AC. The High Septon who held the office in 24 and 25 AC was the uncle of Ceryse Hightower: Queen Visenya proposed that Maegor be wed to Aenys's first child, Rhaena, but the High Septon mounted a vigorous protest, and Maegor was wed instead to the High Septon's own niece, Lady Ceryse of House Hightower. (TWOIAF, The Targaryen Kings: Aenys I) Ceryse was the daughter of Martyn Hightower, the Lord of Oldtown. She was advanced by her uncle, the High Septon, after he protested the betrothal of the thirteenyear-old Prince Maegor to Maegor's newborn niece, Princess Rhaena. Ceryse and Maegor were married in 25 AC. (TWOIAF, The Targaryen Kings: Maegor I) [...] and when word reached Oldtown’s Starry Sept, the High Septon sent a raven, warning the king that such a marriage would not be looked upon with favor by the Faith. He proposed a different bride for Maegor: Ceryse Hightower, maiden daughter to the Lord of Oldtown (and the High Septon’s own niece). (The Sons of the Dragon) We don't know whether this High Septon was kin by marriage, or kin by blood. But with six different High Septons holding the office in between 11 AC and 37 AC, it seems highly likely and logical that the man who was High Septon in 24 AC (when the possible betrothal between Maegor and Rhaena was protested) was no longer in office in 43 AC (when the High Septon was kin by marriage to House Hightower). The High Septon who mysteriously dies in 43 AC (the date of 44 AC given in TWOIAF has been confirmed to have been incorrect) was definitely "kin by marriage". But exactly how this relation goes, we are not told. The conflict thus averted flared up again a generation later, however, during the bloody struggle between the Faith and the Conqueror's second son, the aptly named King Maegor the Cruel. The High Septon during the first years of Maegor's reign was kin by marriage to the Hightowers. His sudden death in 44 AC—shortly after King Maegor had threatened to incinerate the Starry Sept with dragonfire in his fury over His High Holiness's condemnation of his later marriages—is considered quite fortuitous, as it allowed Lord Martyn Hightower to open his gates before Balerion and Vhagar unleashed their flames. (TWOIAF, The Reach: Oldtown) And Ran's answer has made it clear that the paragraph that follows contains the error that "His High Holiness" was the brother of Morgan and Martyn. He was not. The unexpected nature of the High Septon's death in 44 AC aroused much suspicion, however, and whispers of murder persist to this day. Some believe His High Holiness was removed by his own brother, Ser Morgan Hightower, commander of the Warrior's Sons in Oldtown (and it is undeniably true that Ser Morgan was the sole Warrior's Son pardoned by King Maegor). Others suspect Lord Martyn's maiden aunt, the Lady Patrice Hightower, though their argument seems to rest upon the belief that poison is a woman's weapon. It has even been suggested that the Citadel might have played a role in the removal of the High Septon, though this seems far-fetched at best. (TWOIAF, The Reach: Oldtown) That Patrice is the maiden aunt of Martyn (and thus also Morgan), indicates that she was the sister of Lord Manfred, who, by the time of Maegor's second marriage, had already died, after which Lord Martyn had assumed rule of the HIghtower Nor was His Grace alone in his wroth. Lord Hightower, father of Lady Ceryse, made protest to the king, demanding that Lady Alys be put aside. (The Sons of the Dragon) (The king had him lay hands on Lady Ceryse’s belly every night, in the hopes that his brother might repent his folly if his lawful wife could be made fertile, but the lady soon grew weary of the nightly ritual and departed King’s Landing for Oldtown, where she rejoined her father in the Hightower.) (The Sons of the Dragon) And Manfred, we know, had at least three sons (Martyn, Morgan, and a younger son who took a septon's vows) and at least two daughters. (Some say that Lord Hightower also offered up the hand of his youngest daughter, which Aegon declined politely, lest it offend his two queens). The statement in The Sons of the Dragon that Ceryse was the sister of the Lord of the Hightower seems to be an error.
  12. Yes. I read this section as an explanation as to why Aegon did not go to war again with Dorne in the later years of his reign, by explaining that after 13 AC, he decided to end his attempts, and that the sincerity of the decision was exemplified by Aegon celebrating the tenth anniversary of the peace (in 23 AC) in Dorne.
  13. Ran, About the grace period for the Sons of the Dragon, how long would you like it to be? Two weeks, or a full month?
  14. One more inconsistency spotted during a reread: When Maegor reconcilles with Ceryse, she is called the "sister" of the Lord of Hightower, but Martyn is mentioned to be Lord, so that should be "daughter".
  15. Ran, Could you perhaps clarify which date for the High Septon's death and Maegor's threat to Oldtown is the correct one? 43 AC, as stated in Sons of the Dragon, or 44 AC, as stated in TWOIAF?
  16. TWOIAF stated that "Queen Rhaenys's body was never returned to King's Landing." Although that implies that her remains remained in Dorne, I suppose you could read it (combined with the info of the quote from TSOTD) to mean that Aegon did eventually received her ashes, but that her cremation had occurred in Dorne itself.
  17. Sunfyre found Aegon II on his own, so perhaps a similar scenario occurred here with Quicksilver and Aegon?
  18. That's odd..
  19. Can't find anything, but the description given on that page is that of the legend of Ser Artys Arryn killing the Griffin King. The only two passages mentioning the Griffin King do not state anything about "Mountain King" as his title.
  20. Last page of the hard print copy. His mother Alyssa would act as his regent during the remaining years of the king's minority, whilst Lord Robar Baratheon was named Protector of the Realm and Hand of the King. (Half a year later, the two of them would wed.)
  21. Just finished reading, and noticed a few inconsistencies. First of all, Robar Baratheon. Spelled Robar thrice in TWOIAF, Rogar trice and Robar once in TSOTD. Secondly, Prince Viserys, born in 29 AC, is described as sixteen years old at his death in 44 AC in SOTD, but fifteen by Yandel. An explainable, but still.. More importantly, Yandel's account gives the mysterious death of the High Septon at Oldtown when Maegor and Visenya threatened to burn the city as having occurred in 44 AC, yet TSOTD clearly places it in 43 AC. Which one is correct here? Also, Aenys is mentioned as having "sons and grandsons" while Maegor is king. Since English is not my native language, I assume that this is some king of expression, since Aenys did not actually have grandsons? Sadly, no more information on the Velaryon family tree, or information regarding Corlys's parents. But, at least we know now when Rhaena's twins had been born! With the pregnancy announced in 41 AC and the children being less than a year old in 43 AC, their birth is placed in 42 AC One "mystery" solved!
  22. About the spelling for Lord Baratheon.. While Aethan's name originally came from a reading, and Rhaella was mentioned only in the appendix of TWOIAF, Robar's name is mentioned in two separate chapters in TWOIAF to be Robar. So perhaps @Ran can give us more clearity on this. Which spelling is the correct one? Robar or Rogar?
  23. There's also this thread
  24. Just reporting I've had this issue this morning on my mobile. Eventually, I managed to log in by going to desktop view, and reloading the page a few times.
  25. Not only is Jon Darry stated to have died on the Trident, but he was also with Rhaegar in Jaime's memory of Rhaegar's departure, with Jaime asking for another to be left behind instead of him, indirectly stating that Darry left, too. Rossart was Hand for a fortnight, and his appointment took place after Chelsted's death. TWOIAF states the following: Birds flew and couriers raced to bear word of the victory at the Ruby Ford. When the news reached the Red Keep, it was said that Aerys cursed the Dornish, certain that Lewyn had betrayed Rhaegar. He sent his pregnant queen, Rhaella, and his younger son and new heir, Viserys, away to Dragonstone, but Princess Elia was forced to remain in King's Landing with Rhaegar's children as a hostage against Dorne. Having burned his previous Hand, Lord Chelsted, alive for bad counsel during the war, Aerys now appointed another to the position: the alchemist Rossart—a man of low birth, with little to recommend him but his flames and trickery. According to Maester Yandel, some time passed between Chelsted's death and Rossart's appointment. Rossart was only appointed after Rhaegar had died on the Trident. In other words, Rossart's fortnight started after Rhaegar's death. Assuming that the rebel army took a (few) day(s) to decide their further course of action, we can say that it took Eddard ~a fortnight to race from the Trident with his army to KL, to arrive in time to see the end of the Sack (which is when Rossart's fortnight ended). This fits with other examples we have been given in text: In AGOT, Eddard, a large part of his household, and the royal court, take two weeks to travel from castle Darry (half a day away from the site of battle) to KL, without any delays and with relative speed (whereas earlier on in the journey, the group had halted their journey for several days in total to hunt, for example); Aemond Targaryen marched an army from KL to Harrenhal (slightly further than the Trident) in nineteen days. So Eddard taking about ~a fortnight is supported by other textual examples. Most believe that Dany was conceived when Chelsted was burned. In that case, between Dany's conception and the Sack, it appears ~a month passed, as it would likely have taken Rhaegar's army about as long to travel towards the Trident from KL as it took Eddard to travel in the other direction. Which brings us to... .. This. Sure, Dany is likely not giving us a specific amount of "days". But.. She had been born on Dragonstone nine moons after their flight, Nine months after the flight from KL, which in turn would have taken place somewhere between two to four weeks after Chelsted's death. Given that Aerys had named Viserys his heir, instead of Rhaegar's son, and the desire to get his heir and wife to safety, the decision for Aerys to send Viserys and Rhaella away likely took place closer to two weeks after Chelsted's death (i.e. within a few days after Rhaegar's death), than a day or two before the Sack took place. So when Rhaella left KL, (assuming that Dany was indeed conceived the night Chelsted burned) she likely would have been pregnant for slightly more than two weeks. Now, whether Rhaella gave birth 8,5 months later (indicating a nine-month pregnancy), or nine full months later (being 2 weeks overdue), rounding 8,5 months up to 9 is quite normal. It wouldn't be the only time in ASOIAF that it happens Indeed, with Arya providing us with that "thirty days per moon" information: And so she did, three days of every thirty. When the moon was black she was no one, a servant of the Many-Faced God in a robe of black and white. Indeed. Nine moons had waxed and waned, and Robb had been born in Riverrun while his father still warred in the south. There was never a maid that he deflowered who did not deliver a strong son or fair daughter nine moons later, or so the stories say. In nine months time, these maids all give birth to golden-haired children whilst still insisting they had never had carnal knowledge of a man. *After Rhaella's flight to Dragonstone, not after the Sack of KL. There's a difference. **Jaime is listing the order of events, but does not give a timeframe. Aerys had Chelsted burned, and the next to be appointed to the office was Rossart. And while Jaime does not specify a timeframe, Yandel does. The appointment took place after the Trident. As to why Aerys would have waited ~two weeks to appoint a new Hand, we can only speculate about. Was this an understanding between Aerys and Rhaegar ("I win this battle for our house, and you name me Hand")? We have yet to learn. But Chelsted confronting Aerys while Rhaegar was still in KL makes sense. Aerys was still in charge, despite the fact that Rhaegar was in charge of the army. Leading the royal army does not mean he was "acting as the king"... Aerys still had a higher authority than Rhaegar, and both were aware. Rhaegar leaving Jaime at KL ("My royal sire fears your father more than he does our cousin Robert. He wants you close, so Lord Tywin cannot harm him. I dare not take that crutch away from him at such an hour.") is a small price to pay for a continueing peace between father and son. So Rhaegar refusing to take Jaime along says nothing about their balance of power. Additionally, why would Chelsted go to Rhaegar with the information, when Rhaegar is soon to leave the city? Rhaegar has to leave; He leads the army, and the rebels are approaching. The trust Aerys suddenly has in Rhaegar (giving him the charge of the army) despite his earlier mistrust, might suggest that father and son had formed somewhat of an (uneasy) alliance (although Rhaegar makes it clear that he does intend to "change" things, which might point back to the position of Hand still being open when he leaves, following Chelsted's death). Viserys was crowned by his mother on Dragonstone, and I suspect that the crown used to do so was a temporary one, the only one available: Rhaella's. Which means that when he sold his mother's crown, he also in a way sold his own.