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  1. A place for small questions that you feel don't need a thread of their own... Useful Links: Trying to find a quote, but don't have ebooks? Try A Search of Ice and Fire. Looking for that one So Spake Martin (SSM)? Try this SSM search engine For an overview of GRRM's ASOIAF-related Not a Blog entries, look at The Complete Notablog ASOIAF Resource For a quick overview of all that we know about The Winds of Winter, look at The Complete Winds of Winter Resource A list of all Small Questions threads of the past: Don't feel like reading through all those previous threads to find the answer to your question? Try this new feature: Most Frequently asked Small Questions On The Winds of Winter: When will "The Winds of Winter" be published? What's the latest news? Nobody knows. The best bet is to follow GRRM's blog. GRRM himself has expressed in December, 2014: Look, I've said before, and I will say again, I don't play games with news about the books. I know how many people are waiting, how long they have been waiting, how anxious they are. I am still working on WINDS. When it's done, I will announce it here [on GRRM's site]. There won't be any clues to decipher, any codes or hidden meanings, the announcement will be straightforward and to the point. I won't time it to coincide with Xmas or Valentine's Day or Lincoln's Birthday, the book will not rise from the dead with Jesus on Easter Sunday. When it is done, I will say that's it is done, on whatever day I happen to finish.I don't know how I can make it any clearer. On January 2nd, 2016, GRRM stated the following on his blog: THE WINDS OF WINTER is not finished. Believe me, it gave me no pleasure to type those words. You're disappointed, and you're not alone. My editors and publishers are disappointed, HBO is disappointed, my agents and foreign publishers and translators are disappointed... but no one could possibly be more disappointed than me. For months now I have wanted nothing so much as to be able to say, "I have completed and delivered THE WINDS OF WINTER" on or before the last day of 2015. But the book's not done. Nor is it likely to be finished tomorrow, or next week. Yes, there's a lot written. Hundreds of pages. Dozens of chapters. (Those 'no pages done' reports were insane, the usual garbage internet journalism that I have learned to despise). But there's also a lot still left to write. I am months away still... and that's if the writing goes well. (Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't.) Chapters still to write, of course... but also rewriting. I always do a lot of rewriting, sometimes just polishing, sometimes pretty major restructures. The blog entry further details the writing process of 2015, and states that it is almost certain that the book won't be released before the sixth season of GOT airs, mid-April. What's the material that has already been published or revealed from The Winds of Winter? Spoiler tagged for obvious reasons On the tales of Dunk & Egg, and links to the main series: How many Dunk & Egg stories have been published? Where are they published in? Three Dunk and Egg stories are published at the moment. For now, they are 1. The Hedge Knight A short story to be found either in "Legends, edited by Robert Silverberg" or in "Dreamsongs II by George R.R. Martin". There is also a rendition as a graphic novel by the same name: "The Hedge Knight". 2. The Sworn Sword A short story to be found either in "Legends II - Dragon, Sword and King, edited by Robert Silverberg" or in the original hard- and softcover editions of "Legends II" from 2003 & 2004. There is also a rendition as a graphic novel by the same name: "The Sworn Sword". 3. The Mystery Knight A short story to be found either in "Warriors, edited by George R.R. Martin and Gardner Dozois" or in the paperback "Warriors 1, edited by George R.R. Martin and Gardner Dozois". No graphic novel... yet. Two more Dunk & Egg stories yet to be written have already been described. They are known as "The She-wolves of Winterfell" and "The Village Hero". Both of these are working titles, though, not final titles. Four additional titles have been mentioned by Martin: "The Sellsword", "The Champion", "The Kingsguard", and "The Lord Commander". Will the Dunk & Egg tales be published in one book? The first three tales of Dunk and Egg will be published in one book, titled "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms", to be released in english on 6-10-2015. In some other languages, however, it has already been published. "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" will contain pages filled with artwork, which the other versions don't have. Was Dunk ever knighted by Ser Arlan? In spoiler tags: Are there any descendants of Dunk alive in the series today? Yes. GRRM has expressed that we'd meet one of Dunk's descendants. Brienne of Tarth finds the shield Dunk owns in The Hedge Knight. Hodor is often heavily suspected to be a descendant of Dunk's due to his enormous size, and the fact that people believe the young girl and the "knight as tall as Hodor" in the vision Bran sees in A Dance with Dragons are Old Nan (in her youth) and Dunk, and that the event is to take place during The She-Wolves of Winterfell. Small Paul (from the Night's Watch) has also been suggested to be a descendant of Dunks, due to his size and the mention of "thick as a castle wall", which is also used to describe Dunk. On the main series: When was Robert Baratheon declared King? Around the time of the Battle of the Trident. Why were Ned and Robert at the Eyrie when mad king Aerys II sent to Jon Arryn for their heads? It is true Ned and Robert were past their squiring and fostering age, when they visited Jon Arryn together at the Eyrie at that certain time. There is clarification on this both in TWoIaF and an older SSM telling that they liked to spend some of their time there together. What is the right of the first night? The right of the first night, better known as droit du seigneur (which only looks French, although it is English usage, the French use different terminology) or jus primae noctis is a medieval custom that has been abolished in Westeros (by Jaeherys I & Septon Barth) as in the real world (apart from a few small islands in the English channel). It allows the lord to be the first to consummate any marriage before the husband, thus potentially to sire numerous bastard children. In the real world, husbands would pay a fee to their lord for not making use of this right. What is "guest right" and why is it so important? The guest right is a sacred law of hospitality. When a guest, no matter the station of birth, eats the food and drinks the drink beneath the host's roof, the guest right is invoked. Bread and salt are the traditional provisions. When invoked, neither the guest is allowed to do harm to his host, nor is the host allowed to do harm to his guest for the length of the guest's stay. For either to do so would be to break a sacred covenant that is believed to invoke the wrath of the Gods both old and new. Both the teachings of the old gods and the Faith of the Seven hold to this. Even robber lords and wreckers are bound by the ancient laws of hospitality. Guest gifts can be given when the guests depart, ending the guest right. House Manderly practises this tradition in A Dance with Dragons. Breaking the guest right is seen as a terrible thing. The example stated in the books concern the Rat Cook. A cook in the Night's Watch who killed the kings son, and cooked the son in a pie he served to the king, leading to the unknowingly eating his own son. The gods punished the Rat Cook, by turning him into a giant rat who could only feed by eating its own young. The gods did not punish the cook for feeding the king his own son, but for killing a man beneath his own roof. Does the Wall block warging? It appears so. Jon Snow isn't capable of connecting with Ghost anymore, when they have the Wall in between them, nor can Jon, warged in Ghost, feel Summer when Summer is north of the Wall, and Jon and Ghost south. Whether this is the same for each warg/skinchanger, or depends on the strength of the individual, is a matter of discussion. It does appear that Bran, warged into the weirwood net, can see south of the Wall, whilst being north of it. What's the kindness Jaime never did? Jaime is referring to Tysha, and how Tyrion believed that Jaime bought Tysha's services to make Tyrion into a man (making him lose his virginity). Jaime never paid Tysha, however, as Tysha wasn't a whore. In other words, a kindness that Jaime never did. In A Dance with Dragons, Septon Chayle is at the Wall. Wasn't he the septon at Winterfell? Didn't he die in A Clash of Kings? Indeed. This is an error., Septon Cellador is the Septon at Castle Black. Septon Chayle, as far as is known, is dead. If the gates in King's Landing were closed, how did Arya get to the harbor? You need to cross a gate... A well known issue. People have tried to find explanations for it, but most have not yet been satisfied. Here's the most recent given explanation. How come Cersei and Margaery need a Kingsguard Knight to defend them in their trials in A Dance with Dragons, while Gregor Clegane, not a Kingsguard Knight, was allowed to defend Cersei in Tyrion's trial in A Storm of Swords? Because in Tyrion's trial, it wasn't Cersei who stood accused.. Tyrion was accused, Cersei the accuser. Tyrion didn't necessarily need to use a Kingsguard knight in that trial because he isn't royalty. In Cersei's case in Dance (and in Margaery's case, should she opt for a trial by combat, should her first trial fail), Cersei is the Queen Regent, Margaery the Queen. They are royalty, and it is them who stand accued. They are not the accusers. Thus, they need a Kingsguard to defend them. If knights are custom of the followers of the Seven, why there are knights in the North (Old Gods) and in the Iron Islands (Drowned God)? There aren't many. So far we know of a single Ironborn knight. Knights from the North spring forth from a few sources: 1. White Harbor and the Manderlys The Manderys in White harbor brought the new gods and Southern customs along, so knighthood is more common there. 2. Houses near the Neck Houses who have business with the South may have a few knights, as customs mingle. 3. War returnees Some Northerners simply get knighted by Southern nobility during war time, it cannot be helped. Ser Jorah Mormont is an example. 4. Hedge Knights and Freeriders People living the life of a hedge knight or freeriders in service in the South might face the same treatment, when the do too many chivalrous deeds, although an example is missing here. Who can make a knight? Any knight can make a knight. As knighthood is a form of distinction, the higher in renown or social status the maker, the better for the image of the knight made. Kings can also knight people, but lords cannot (unless they have once been knighted themselves). So for example, King Robert Baratheon, knighted in his youth, can knight people (and has) because he is a knight himself, and because he is a king. King Baelor I, a king, but not a knight, could have knighted anyone he wanted to. Lord Eddard Stark, never knighted himself, can't knight anyone. Which Targaryens had deformed children? * King Maegor I Targaryen (multiple malformed children by multiple wives) * Daemon Targaryen (a malformed son by Lady Laena Velaryon) * Rhaenyra Targaryen (a malformed stillborn daughter, Visenya, by Prince Daemon, according to Mushroom) * Daenerys Targaryen (a malformed stillborn son, Rhaego, by Khal Drogo) How big do dragons grow? Dragons seem just to grow if they get enough food and space. How old are Dany's dragons as of the end of Dance? Born in early 299 AC, the dragons are currently around 1,5 years old. Who is Jon Snow's mother? Have a look into the first post of the current (fixed) R+L=J thread in the General ASoIaF forum. It links to collections of theories on Jon Snow's parentage. Who are the marcher lords? Marcher lords are powerful lords who guard region near border with Dorne, known as the Dornish Marches. They have large keeps and maintain large forces, to defend lands of the Reach and Stormlands in case of Dornish attack. Marcher lords: - in the Stormlands: House Selmy, House Dondarrion, House Swann, House Caron - in the Reach: House Tarly, possibly House Peake When Arya is serving at Harrenhal, she sees Roose Bolton cautionly turning the pages of a very ornate and fragile book, before throwing it to the fire. Do we know which book was that? No. Any other questions: Is The Ice Dragon part of the asoiaf universe? No, it is not. Continue
  2. Good catch! I agree. The quote plainly states that Viserys served as Hand to Aegon only during the last few years of Aegon's reign.
  3. Update: On October 23, the count resulted in a total of 557 characters in the project, for who a total of 531 calculations have been made for a year of birth, and 70 calculations for the years of death, making it 601 calculations in total! (end update) What originally began as an attempt to calculate the birth years for the main characters (or those that I found interesting), slowly but surely grew in to a rather bigger project. So in an attempt to make this part of the wiki more factual, I've been searching through the books and novella's in the past few months for quotes that give statements about the timing of the birth or death of a character, or placing of events. I was my idea to make a page that can be used as a reference on the other wikipages, since I sometimes wondered where certain years on the wiki-entries of characters came from, and by reading on the forum for the past year, I noticed that there were more people with the same problem. To take away those questions, I've written the pages that over the past few days appeared on the wiki. To take away any doubt anyone might have, I've written the pages with as many references to the books as is possible. This all to make the wiki a more complete image of the world of A Song of Ice and Fire. This made me end up with a list of +400 characters, whose year of birth can either (1) be determined precisely 2) be determined rather precisely, giving a timeframe of a few years, (3) not be determined that precisely, giving a timeframe of roughly 20 years, or (4) not be determined at all, giving only a minimum year or a maximum year, but not both. For a select amount of characters, even a year (timeframe) of death could be calculated. To my surprise, most of those years or timeframes were either placed on the wiki wrongly (with information of someone's age in aCoK, for example, whereas additional information that could be found in the later books was not used) or not placed on the wiki at all, which only served to fuel my enthusiasm. For the years of birth and death, I've created 4 new pages on the wiki. Originally, I had hoped to fit it all on one page, but the page started having problems after a certain size was passed. I also noticed I had written much more than expected when I first started. To avoid any editing problems in the future, I've thus split it all in 4 pages, with a usefull navigation template that brings you to the page (or letter) of your choosing with only one click of a button For the events, I've started another page, with currently a lot of room to spare (but which also isn't completely finished). The idea is to use these pages to determine years which aren't specifically stated anywhere in the text of the novels or novellas. Should, for instance, a character's birth year, year of death, or the year when an event occured ever be mentioned, the entry could be removed on the calculation pages. English is not my first language, so there might be grammar errors, spelling errors, or simply typos to be found in the text. Should you read the pages and find any, don't hesitate to change them I know wiki-pages have talk-pages, but I figured a thread would be usefull for a deeper discussion, when that should be necessary. The calculations can be found on the following pages: For the birth and death years, Page 1 (A-D), 2 (E-J), 3 (K-Q) and 4 (R-W) For the events
  4. It would have happened not that long after Dragonstone was captured. Although Cressen states in 299 AC that it has been "some twelve years" years since coming to Dragonstone with Stannis, GRRM has stated that Stannis received Dragonstone before Joffrey had been born (and the wording suggests, imo, that Cersei wasn't pregnant yet, either), which would place Stannis becoming the Lord of Dragonstone, and thus the seat of Storm's End being granted to Renly, in 284/285 AC. Renly, born in 277 AC would have been some seven or eight years old at the time, but that does not prevent him from becoming a lord (we've seen more child-lords, like Edric Dayne and Robert Arryn). It simply means that he likely had a regent to help him rule his lands until he turned sixteen.
  5. Brandon Stark had bid her wait as well. "I shall not be long, my lady," he had vowed. "We will be wed on my return." Yet when the day came at last, it was his brother Eddard who stood beside her in the sept. The way I see it, "the day" that came at last refers only to "the day she was wed", not a specific date that had been agreed upon for her wedding to Brandon.
  6. The original website has been offline since February. It might be (partially) restored, but that's not yet certain (as far as I understood). Google does not show any further text besides the translated statement found in the SSM. I see no reason why there would be something left out of the translation, though.
  7. In addition to RumHam's answer, we also know that when Dany was born in mid 284 AC (~9 months after the war ended), it already was summer. But when spring started and how long it lasted is atm unknown.
  8. We do not know the exact location, but from and AMA on reddit we do know that it is located somewhere near King's Landing.
  9. I have to disagree. Sam is planning to pretend that the child is his son, but as Sam is going to train at the Citadel and next return to the Wall, he will not be involved at all in the boy's upbringing. But Gilly, Craster's daughter, is going to be. In addition to that, neither Dalla and Val nor Mance have any relations to Craster. "It's strange," he said to Sam. "Craster had no love for Mance, nor Mance for Craster, but now Craster's daughter is feeding Mance's son." That Craster's daughter (Gilly) is feeding Mance's son would not be a strange thing if the child's mother had been Craster's daughter to start with, right? What Sam means, is that the child inherited Mance's bravery, and through Gilly's manner of raising him will get Craster's bravery (as Craster passed that on to Gilly). Gilly would keep going even if that happened. The girl was very brave, not like him. So whether through blood relations, or adoptive relations, Sam's claim that the child is his son will not lead to the child "getting" any of Sam's "cravenness".
  10. I interpret this to mean that the boy is Craster's grandson in the sense that his adopted mother (Gilly) is Craster's daughter, making the child Craster's grandchild in a way, although they are not related by blood. According to the appendices, Mace has no brothers. So it likely is a mistake.
  11. So then, the High Septon from the time of the Conquest (who died in 11 AC) is included in the count of six High Septons during Aegon's reign? Or were there six additional ones after the High Septon who died in 11 AC? Because you previously reported this: I'm not sure about this. Who knows how Aegon would have acted if he had had any daughters. The Faith objected to a betrothal between Maegor and Rhaena, so clearly they would have objected to a betrothal between Aenys or Maegor and one of their sisters. If Aegon truly tried his best to keep the Faith on his side, he would have listened to those objections, just as he did when Visenya suggested the Maegor/Rhaena match. Alyssa seems to have been the closest cousin Aenys and Maegor had, so Aegon might have arranged the match without even suggesting a marriage between his heir and his daughter. And if he did entertain the idea of betrothing Aenys to his sister, the High Septon might have proposed Ceryse for Aenys, instead of Maegor a few years later. And if Aegon had decided not to marry Aenys to his sister, despite the fact that he had one, Aenys himself might have never arranged the Rhaena/Aegon match.
  12. Lord Varys, you gave a couple of interesting new pieces of information here that were absent from your notes of The Sons of the Dragon as read at Loncon. I'm curious, do you by any chance recall any other details?
  13. Nvm
  14. Since August 2014, the wiki has been displaying the same 11 articles as featured articles, repeating them over and over. I think it would be an improvement to increase the number of featured articles, so the repetition is no longer so frequent. Also, I think that it would be an improvement to increase the type of articles that are featured, so we won't have, for example, three POVs in a row. Currently, we have 6 POVs, 1 non-POV, 3 wars, and 1 object as featured articles. To give the project a boost, I would like to propose a number of articles to be added to the "featured article"-list. I've created a thread for this project, so people can easily nominate or suggest articles, and discuss what improvements are necessary in order to make the article a featured article. I've specifically chosen to create a thread for this instead of continueing discussions on the template page, so forum-users who are not able to edit the wiki can voice their opinions as well. So to start, I would like to suggest a number or articles. First of all, the following four pages have previously been nominated but are not yet featured. I personally think that, in their current state, they are all well-written enough and with enough references to become featured articles. Stannis Baratheon (added) Davos Seaworth Melisandre (added) House Arryn (added) I further would like to suggest several pages myself, which I think are all currently written in such a way (neutral, well-referenced, etc.) that they would make good featured articles: Braavos Volantis (added) Pentos Century of Blood Doom of Valyria (currently displayed) Cersei Lannister Catelyn Stark Petyr Baelish Jon Connington (added) The section "Marriage" on the Customs page (added) The section "Inheritance" on the Customs page Targaryen campaign in Slaver's Bay First Blackfyre Rebellion Feel free to discuss whether you agree that these articles would make good featured articles, and please make suggestions for future featured articles!
  15. Nine new articles updated and added to the list: Margaery Tyrell Jorah Mormont Maegor I Targaryen Battle of the Blackwater House Velaryon Others Robert I Baratheon Conquest of Dorne Dragonstone Bringing the new total to 44.
  16. Thanks!
  17. I've changed the 51 royal war galleys / 9 war galleys from the lords to 60 war galleys ships, with a footnote stating that at least 9 of them belong to the lords of the narrow sea (and specifying them). But since the text in ACOK literally states "sailed ships", and the SSM discusses the ships in the Lannister fleet, which aren't present at the Blackwater, I've left that part unchanged.
  18. If you can post exactly what it should say, I'll update the page
  19. Linking Syrio to Daenerys' stay in Braavos is a theory; As Syrio had been the First Sword for 9 years, and no longer is the FS in 298 AC, it is possible (if he had traveled to King's Landing shortly after he ended his office as FS, and was subsequently employed by Eddard) that Syrio's employment for the FS began in 289 AC. (298 AC - 9 years = 289 AC). We know that the Sealord serves for life, but we don't know whether a new First Sword is chosen when a new Sealord is chosen, nor does Syrio specify whether the FS who had served before him had served the same Sealord, or the previous one. So these numbers show us that it might be possible that Syrio was the FS from 289 AC to 298 AC, and that he began his employment in 289 AC because the previous Sealord had died. But not only is this quite speculative, it also tells us nothing about the Targaryens in Braavos and the moment the pact was signed. From the app, we know that Dany was five years old when Darry fell ill, and quickly "wasted away". That means that Darry likely died in 289 AC (the year Daenerys turned 5), or otherwise in early 290 AC. This limits the signing of the pact between mid-284 AC (Daenerys' birth) and 290 AC. Doran's actions tells us more, however. Arianne's time in the Water Gardens overlapped with the presence of the daughter of the Archon of Tyrosh. She was supposed to go to Tyrosh in the girls place, to secretly meet with Viserys. Thus, the pact was already signed. “That green-haired girl was the Archon’s daughter. I was to have sent you to Tyrosh in her place. You would have served the Archon as a cupbearer and met with your betrothed in secret, but your mother threatened to harm herself if I stole another of her children, and I... I could not do that to her.” The children in the Water Gardens are between the ages of five and ten, and so Arianne would have spend her time at the Water Gardens between 281 AC (the year she turned 5, as she was born in 276 AC) and 287 AC (until the moment she turned eleven). Thus, the pact cannot have been signed any later than 287 AC. That Arianne was supposed to serve as a cupbearer whilst in Tyrosh, is another hint. A search for cupbearers turns up the following ages: 6/7 (Viserys II Targaryen), 8 (Rhaenyra Targaryen), 9 (Elmar Frey), "no more than ten" (Samwell Tarly); 10 (Tywin Lannister; Arya Stark; Aegon III Targaryen), 12 (Daeron "the Daring" Targaryen), 12/13 (Obella Sand). In addition, we have heard of Rhaelle Targaryen (b. 229-233) who became a cupbearer in 239 AC (10 at the oldest, 6 at the youngest). Based on this, it seems that cupbearers are usually not much older than ~10. Daeron the Daring seems to have been a bit old, but he served as a squire as well, and the age of 12 for a squire is very fitting. Aditionally, the text for Rhaenyra states "At eight, like many another highborn girl, the princess was placed into service as a cupbearer …", possibly indicating that Daeron and Obella are likely to be an exception, with their higher age. So we've narrowed the range to mid-284 AC to 287 AC. But even if Daeron's and Obella's ages are not an exception, we can still determine the time-range a bit more specific. The Archon's daughter spend time at the Water Gardens. Her time at the Water Gardens overlapped with Nymeria Sand's, who was born in either 274 AC or 275 AC. Assuming Nymeria had indeed been between the age of 5 and 10 when she spend her time at the Water Gardens, that would place her in the Water Gardens between 279/280 AC and 285/286 AC (until she turned eleven). Which implies that the pact was signed between mid-284 AC and 286 AC. And of course, this also fits with Quentyn's age, as Quentyn (born in 281 AC), already was at Yronwood when Arianne was supposed to go to Tyrosh. He had been send to Yronwood an unknown amount of time before, at an age described as “young”, “too young”, and “a tender age”, by Arianne, Mellario, and Arys Oakheart respectively. I can imagine that every age is “too young” for a mother, especially since Norvosi usually don't foster their children, and “young” can mean a lot of things. But it is Arys' opinion which is of most interest. Seven or eight seems to be a regular age to make a boy a page elsewhere (although of course, here too are exceptions to be found, like Robert Arryn, who was supposed to become a page at the age of six, though we also know that the circumstances were not ordinary here). Arys, who most likely had been a page somewhere himself, thinks of Quentyn's age at the time as "tender", suggesting that Quentyn had been younger than children usually are when they are sent away to serve as a page. Born in 281 AC, Quentyn would have been 3 to 5 years old in the range we established above (284-286 AC), and based on that, I would guess that Quentyn had not been at Yronwood for long when Arianne was supposed to go to Tyrosh. (That would mean that Doran send Quentyn his letter concerning inheritance etc. some 4 years after he arrived at Yronwood, as Arianne was 14 years old when she found the letter. Given that Quentyn was so young when he left home, it seems entirely possible (and I'd think even likely) that Doran did not inform Quentyn of the pact when he originally send his son off, as it concerned treason, and Quentyn was being send to a House whose relationship with House Martell was, at the time, still rather troublesome.)
  20. I know he had just provided her name. But considering all the emphasize on waking dragons from stone and using dragons in battle in Davos's chapters, it is extremely odd that he doesn't think about it anymore later on.
  21. I can't recall Jon having heard any rumors (news reaches the Wall late, and Stannis doesn't seem to have heard any rumors before sailing north). The Braavosi Tycho mentions talks of dragons to Jon at Castle Black, but Jon's reaction suggests that he doesn't know, anything “The Lysene pirate? Some say he has returned to his old haunts, this is so. And Lord Redwyne’s war fleet creeps through the Broken Arm as well. On its way home, no doubt. But these men and their ships are well-known to us. No, these other sails … from farther east, perhaps … one hears queer talk of dragons.” “Would that we had one here. A dragon might warm things up a bit.” Nothing in Davos' chapters from ASOS or Melisandre's from ADWD hint at news of Daenerys and her dragons having reached Stannis before he set sail from Dragonstone (important, as there is a lot of talk about waking dragons from stone and how useful it would be to have a dragon to use in battle in Davos' chapters). News reaches the Wall late, and no one is like to tell the Night's Watch about rumours told by sailors during times of war. But in Davos 2, ADWD, Davos hears talk of Daenerys and her dragons when at White Harbor: “I do,” said the man who’d started all the talk of dragons, a Braavosi oarsman in a somber woolen jack. “When we were down to Pentos we moored beside a trader called the Sloe-Eyed Maid, and I got to drinking with her captain’s steward. He told me a pretty tale about some slip of a girl who come aboard in Qarth, to try and book passage back to Westeros for her and three dragons. Silver hair she had, and purple eyes. ‘I took her to the captain my own self,’ this steward swore to me, ‘but he wasn’t having none of that. There’s more profit in cloves and saffron, he tells me, and spices won’t set fire to your sails.’ ” Davos doesn't express recognition, and later thinks I'll take Devan with me. Steff and Stanny too if they're old enough. We'll see these dragons and all the wonders of the world. So it reads to me that White Harbor is the first time that Davos hears about the dragons, but somehow doesn't realize that the girl with silver hair and purple eyes being discussed is Daenerys. Can't recall anything about Sansa learning of rumors concerning dragons, Targaryens, or even the slave revolts in Slaver's Bay for that matter. Baelish might know, though, considering his mention of "three queens" in AFFC, but it is by no means certain. (It deserves mention that Baelish was present at the small council meeting where Varys reported rumors about a three-headed dragon in Qarth.)
  22. Added the info, and more
  23. Continuing the topic once started by PrivateMajor, which had been closed for length, and the follow-up thread, which has been archived, the purpose of this thread is to discuss any potential errors or changes to the excel-timeline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aj_uNZmcJaTddG9BVU5tRnJJTE5KcE5JRkFha1ZfNUE#gid=8
  24. Fixed it!
  25. Varys reports a three-headed dragon having been seen in Qarth in Tyrion 3, ASOS The eunuch drew a parchment from his sleeve. "A kraken has been seen off the Fingers." He giggled. "Not a Greyjoy, mind you, a true kraken. It attacked an Ibbenese whaler and pulled it under. There is fighting on the Stepstones, and a new war between Tyrosh and Lys seems likely. Both hope to win Myr as ally. Sailors back from the Jade Sea report that a three-headed dragon has hatched in Qarth, and is the wonder of that city—" However, they clearly do not realize what it means, as Tyrion learns about the dragons off page, which he recalls in Tyrion 2, ADWD Yet if the lord of cheese could be believed, the Mad King's daughter had hatched three living dragons. Doran mentions Daenerys' dragons in ADWD, and considering the absence of shock from Quentyn, I'd say that Doran had learned about them before Quentyn had set sail, and had informed Quentyn that he'd encounter them. In the prologue of AFFC, Leo Tyrell confirms the rumors his fellow students are discussing “Truly? Then how would I tell you about the dragons?” Leo shrugged again. “The mongrel has the right of it. The Mad King’s daughter is alive, and she’s hatched herself three dragons.” Cersei learns once more about the dragons in AFFC, Cersei 4, but dismisses the stories the sailors tell "One last thing, Your Grace," said Aurane Waters, in an apologetic tone. "I hesitate to take up the council's time with trifles, but there has been some queer talk heard along the docks of late. Sailors from the east. They speak of dragons . . ." ". . . and manticores, no doubt, and bearded snarks?" Cersei chuckled. "Come back to me when you hear talk of dwarfs, my lord." She stood, to signal that the meeting was at an end. She does the same in Cersei V "The slave revolt in Astapor has spread to Meereen, it would seem. Sailors off a dozen ships speak of dragons . . ." "Harpies. It is harpies in Meereen." She remembered that from somewhere. Meereen was at the far end of the world, out east beyond Valyria. "Let the slaves revolt. Why should I care? We keep no slaves in Westeros. Is that all you have for me?" Kevan Lannister, Pycelle, and Mace Tyrell discuss Daenerys and her dragons with the rest of the small council present in the epilogue of ADWD “We have these tales coming from the east as well. A second Targaryen, and one whose blood no man can question. Daenerys Stormborn.” “As mad as her father,” declared Lord Mace Tyrell. That would be the same father that Highgarden and House Tyrell supported to the bitter end and well beyond. “Mad she may be,” Ser Kevan said, “but with so much smoke drifting west, surely there must be some fire burning in the east.” Grand Maester Pycelle bobbed his head. “Dragons. These same stories have reached Oldtown. Too many to discount. A silver-haired queen with three dragons.” “At the far end of the world,” said Mace Tyrell. “Queen of Slaver’s Bay, aye. She is welcome to it.”