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  1. Why does its size make that likely? The fact that Asshai is a giant city of oversized buildings made of greasy black stone that's older than any legends makes it less likely that it's part of the Dawn Empire, not more likely. The Yi Tish cities that go back to the Dawn Empire don't sound anything like that. And that fits with the little we're told. We're given the legendary extent of the Dawn Empire, and Asshai is outside that extent. We're told that there were people in the Shadow Lands before civilizations even had names—which obviously means before the Great Empire of the Dawn. There don't seem to be any Asshai'i legends about the Dawn Empire, only Yi Tish legends. If Asshai were part of the Empire, surely that wouldn't be true? And if GRRM (or, rather, Ran and Linda, who wrote WoIaF) intended us to connect Asshai to the Empire, why would they have put it entirely within the Yi Ti section and not mentioned it at all in the Asshai section? Why are people so desperate to connect Asshai and the Dawn Empire in the first place? What does it get you? What's wrong with the story that's actually in the books?
  2. Maybe you should explain what you think they should have instead, and who you're comparing them to. Read The Prince, and you'll see Machiavelli making some of the same criticisms of the princedoms of Italy—most especially the heavy reliance on mercenaries. But that was an innovative critique when he wrote it in 16th century. Are you expecting a medieval culture—one that hasn't even discovered gunpowder and other 14th century technologies—to fight renaissance wars?
  3. I'm completely lost about your point now. The thread is about why nobody says anything about Jon no longer being LC. The subthread that you replied to was about the fact that a king can obviously release a Watchman from his vows. Your reply was: I don't know how that applies to either the main discussion or the discussion of a king being able to release him. I made a guess, but obviously I guessed wrong and only confused you. Apologies for that. Can you try to explain your point in a different way? Thanks.
  4. I think the others are right that (a) the rivers will freeze, and (b) that won't help them get around the Wall. But this is an interesting idea, that water is an enemy to ice, just as much as it is to fire, and as much a fire and ice are to each other. There's no reason Planetos's classical elements couldn't be a fire-ice-water triangle rather than the Greeks' fire-earth-water-air square. And it makes sense—the Rhoynar had to deal with the Long Night, and they had to fight the Valyrian dragonriders, and both times they did so with river gods/magic. (What that means for the song of ice and fire—but not water—I don't know. Especially with the Children using water magic, at least with the Hammer, and of course Euron.)
  5. What about removing one line instead of adding one? Walder Frey: Edmure is back in a cell. Can't go killing my son by law. It wouldn't be right. Jaime took Riverrun by promising Edmure a comfortable life as a hostage. In the books, Edmure helped the Blackfish escape, but Jaime kept his promise anyway. On the show, Edmure ordered his own guards to capture the Blackfish for Jaime, but Jaime reneged on his promise anyway. Why? I realize Jaime isn't supposed to be as far along on his redemption arc and it has to be dragged out to the end of S7. And Jaime being dishonorable because Cersei told him to, or to protect Cersei, OK, I could accept that. But Jaime being this dishonorable for absolutely no reason? That's worse than he was in S1. Why did we even have the Brienne and Vargo stories?
  6. Wait, if Jon, who believes in the Old Gods and said his vows in front of the 9 trees, wouldn't care, then why would anyone in Westeros care? Or are you suggesting that, even if none of the people care, the Old Gods themselves would? But that still wouldn't make any difference to this question, because the Old Gods don't address people. How? Because Jon follows the Old Gods, Davos is about as devout a Seven worshipper as we've seen without a Manson-style pentacle carved in his forehead, and Stannis follows R'hllor, but Sam doesn't represent another religion, he's just a less devout Seven follower? I'm not sure what you're getting at, but if the idea is that the vows have been dismissed by every religious tradition in Westeros and that's going to cause a problem, or something like that, you could use Sam as a representative of the Maesters' atheism or something? (It seems like a stretch—and besides, we need Vargo Hoat to show up and visibly not care, to represent the most important religion, the Black Goat.)
  7. Yeah, people tend to forget that Tyrion has been away from Westeros for a few years, and couldn't possibly know about the amazing strides made in transmat technology. When he left, you could only transmat a single person, and only if he was a kind of small person; now, an entire navy can go from one side of the continent to the other.
  8. I think the main purpose of R+L=J going public in the novels will not be how Jon deals with it, or how the North deals with it, but how Dany deals with it. In the show, that's going to be stripped down to one Dany-Tyrion discussion and one Dany-Jon discussion, because we can't see hundreds of pages of Dany's inner thoughts. So, D&D could decide to expand one of the more minor repercussions into something bigger. But I don't think they're going to. Beyond those two discussions, all it's there for is to either justify Jon sitting on the throne at the end, or make it more tragic that they lost their Aragorn when Jon dies at the end.* --- * But not John Dies at the End. A GRRM/David Wong crossover should obviously be with the sequel, This Book Is Full of Spiders.
  9. The show easily could have done both, with one minor change. In the books: Thoros refuses to resurrect Cat, so Beric sacrifices his own unlife to do it. So in the show: Thoros refuses to resurrect Cat, so Beric sacrifices his own unlife to do it—but it doesn't work. "Well, I still don't know what my purpose is, but I guess this isn't it. Still, we need Catelyn back." Thoros, convinced by Beric's seriousness (he was literally willing to die to bring Cat back, can't get much more serious than that), agrees to resurrect her, and it works. The harder problem is figuring out what to do with LSH. GRRM may not have even worked out her story that far in the books—and, more important, they've simplified the Riverlands story to the point where most of what he's probably got wouldn't work anyway. Brienne is already gone from that part of the story. Robb's crown and will (and widow) don't matter. Splitting the BwB and confusing their mission isn't something they'd want to do on TV. Whatever's going on in the Riverlands with thousands of broken local and Northern soldiers, and dozens of lords who supported the Tullys but didn't die for them, that isn't happening. Edmure isn't being transported across those Riverlands with a triple-strength guard that Jaime is sure will be good enough. All that's left is killing Freys. And, while it could be a nice way to show the horror of revenge in parallel with their attempted Dornish story showing the tragedy of revenge, that's not enough of a reason to spend the screen time and viewer attention that would be needed to give us LSH. She should mean more than that if she's going to appear.
  10. I don't think she's actually assuming she can defeat the NK's army in a battle. If Jon and Dany win, they definitely are weakened and easier for her to fight. But if the NK wins—that means a massive army, which contains the only winter-trained troops in Westeros, supported by dragons, couldn't defeat him. There's no army Cersei could raise that would have any chance. The the idea of winning a battle is already so hopeless that adding another 100K troops to the NK's side can't make it any more hopeless. But… what if she has a secret weapon? Of course she doesn't have one, but she's brilliant, and she's hired brilliant people like Qyburn, so it's just unthinkable that they wouldn't come up with something, even if they have no idea yet what it could be.* Jon and Dany aren't there to weaken the NK, just there to delay him long enough for her team to come up with a brilliant secret weapon that she can use brilliantly, and that's how she's going to save the realm. In which case, again, the extra 100K wights probably don't make much difference. (Imagine Qyburn comes up with some thingy that reverses the polarity of the Walkers' mental control so he can take control of all the wights instead of them—more wights is not a problem.) Of course the flaw in that belief is obvious if you're not delusional, but then that just takes us back to the previous paragraph, where the extra wights won't make things any more hopeless because they're already completely hopeless. --- * And, to be fair, the way D&D wrote S7, she isn't quite as stupid for thinking that as she sounds…
  11. Why is that a prime target? By ignoring all of the castles and cities, they could probably pick of something like 20 million people (plus who knows how many recent corpses that have been buried instead of burned) on the way down to the south end of the Reach. After which they've brought their deadly winter to the whole continent, so it's easier to mop up the fortified positions they bypassed earlier. And if the enemy wants to fight you, they'll have to come meet you on the icy open fields, instead of from behind a wall.
  12. In the show, PtwP is gender-neutral because some words in Valyrian are gender-neutral, including their word for prince, and therefore "valonqar" could be as well. But in the books, PtwP is gender-neutral because the original prophecy uses the Valyrian word for "dragon" metaphorically to mean prince, and dragons can change sex. So "valonqar" being gender neutral doesn't make much sense there. So, it would presumably be a pretty big change from the books to make Arya the valonqar—and, because neither the valonqar part of the prophecy nor the word "valonqar" have appeared anywhere in the show, it would be a very strange one. If they want Arya to kill Cersei, Arya will kill Cersei, but it won't be because she's the valonqar. But something like 80% of the people in Westeros are someone's little sister or little brother, so it's not a particularly interesting prophecy if that's the case. Maggy might as well have said "the random person". The show has used "goodsister" and related words inconsistently. It could be sister-in-law, but it could also be the daughter of your foster father, or of what seems to be the Westerosi equivalent of a godfather. Anyway, it works. It definitely refers to Cersei: This comes way after the YMBQ part, and can't possibly refer to her.
  13. I think the most evil thing in the series was GRRM around 2001 announcing that he was rewriting the fourth book from scratch, but don't worry, it'll only be a year late, and the last two books should only take two more years each.
  14. Varys comes from east of Westeros, but not from Yi Ti or anything. Lys does not represent the Orient, it represents medieval France more than anything else, just as Westeros represents Britain. Also, what do you mean by "Perfumes originated in the East"? There are a few ways you could maybe make that true if you stretched things enough, but none of them seem to obviously fit with why anyone would expect Varys to be perfumed.
  15. That would make a lot of knights happy, but most of the lords (and merchants) in the realm would be pretty unhappy that Robert just screwed up their relationship with almost every trading and diplomatic partner that Westeros has for no real benefit.