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  1. Well now...I had missed that little detail, nice catch! I might come around to the idea of ol' Mance after all! This is pretty sweet too...the wife of the dragon prince and her 12 companions. In-ter-esting.
  2. OMG, get out of my head. lol I have just started gathering data on a darkness/underground motif that runs through the whole series. This is great!
  3. Funny you should say that... in the Bael tale, we're told that Bael the Deceiver impersonated a "singer" in order to gain access to Winterfell. Well, in my reimagined interpretation of the legend (which I hope to repost here on this forum after some tweaking), I place this tale as occurring thousands of years ago, like during the Age of Heroes - at a time when the CoTF were still plentiful and interacting with men. I believe that the "singer" Bael may have impersonated, a singer welcomed at Winterfell, was a CotF. Apply this to Petyr "Bael"ish, acting as a friend to House Stark, but of course is not who/what he claims to be and who later spectacularly betrays them all (ending up with a Stark maiden in his clutches to boot). In addition, per the Bael legend, Bael took his journey to Winterfell in the first place to get revenge on the Lord Stark, who thought him weak and called him craven. Lots of places in the current story where this could go with regard to Littlefinger!
  4. Ha! Yes, something like that...I believe that the Bael tale itself (perhaps not exactly Ygritte's version of it, which is clearly modernized) is actually very, very old, and hints to a dark history for House Stark. The idea that Ba'el is a demon of the underworld and also a fertility god plays perfectly into it, so your link made me very happy!
  5. Oh my...this is glorious. It ties in perfectly with a theory I have about old Bael the Bard - that he wasn't actually human.
  6. It's certainly no more than what is assumed all the time re: KotLT being Lyanna Stark. Just in terms of physical possibility I'd be inclined to lean more toward a fully-grown man of the Watch who's been living a hard life of patrolling and training at the Wall for some period of time vs. a 14yo girl who, like Arya (as King Bob pointed out), may have been "the size of a wet rat", and had to practice her skills in secret with tourney swords and her little brother. But, how many hundreds of people lend great probability to the latter every day here? I dunno, it's not my theory so I'm not invested in it...just commenting that it's disingenuous to disregard it based on that.
  7. So he grew up at the Shadow Tower and spent his entire life with the Watch and the Wall, but never sat a horse or went riding on extended journeys until he became a Ranger? I mean, it just stands to reason that the guy knows how to sit a horse. Dispute his identity as KotLT all you like, but disputing his ability to be such based on a lack of horsemanship is grasping, imo.
  8. Well, there's certainly no mention of him participating in tourneys and whatnot, but Mance was a Ranger in the NW for umpteen years, so given the terrain and the dangers involved with that, I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say he knew how to handle a dang horse. For the record, I don't necessarily agree that Mance was the recruiter at the tourney, but contesting his horsemanship skills & potential ability to hit a moving target after he spent however many years serving in a role that had him atop a horse like, literally, all the time, seems rather nitpicky.
  9. A few months back at my other home I posted a long reinterpretation of the Bael tale- I don't want to take over Brad's thread with it, though. Ah, okay. Sorry if I was being snippy. It happens frequently on this forum and it makes me crazy!
  10. All right, fine. Does that discount everything else, then?
  11. I accounted for him. Now that he's presumably escaped from the Ironborn's clutches at Deepwood Motte his role may grow, but for now I view him as a tertiary or even quaternary character. Even though we might not have a complete list of Snows, and even though there may be fairly equal numbers of named bastards between north and south, I definitely believe that there's some special meaning to the Snow name - and it related to the Bael story. As we're told, Starks "are not like other men" - Boltons, as northern First Men going back to ancient days, may fall in that category too. I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.
  12. I think these two things are related. And I think that this may be the case, only the Snow was doing the sacrificing. Noble bastardy in the north is a peculiar thing - in the current story, we know of two major ones: Jon and Ramsay. (There's a third mentioned in AGOT: Larence Snow, son of Halys Hornwood, but we know nothing about him and he's played a minor part so far.) There are probably more scattered around, but it seems that noble bastardy - or I suppose the recognition of noble bastards - is far more prolific in the south. Looking at the Stark family tree, there is only one other named bastard: Lonnel Snow, son of one Brandon Stark and Wylla Fenn (a name combo that is super interesting into itself, but that's not my point.) So we have a paucity of Snows in the North, at least in comparison to the Waters and Sands and Flowers etc of the south. This brings to mind Ned's comment to King Bob of "Kings are a rare sight in the north", to which we get the famous and totally overanalyzed reply of ""More likely they were hiding under the snow. Snow, Ned!" Now of course that comment has been totally usurped by the RLJ crowd to highlight, well, RLJ, but if we're talking about the Snow surname being a hint to royalty, there's also Ramsay to think about. Ramsay is obviously not a hidden Targaryen - he's Roose's natural son, even Roose agrees to this. What stands out to me here though is how Ramsay came into the world: Funny enough, we have a similar association with Jon Snow (presuming that Lyanna Stark is indeed his mother): Now we have two named northern bastards that are implied to be the products of rape. What does this have to do with Bael, you ask? Two things: 1) If you take the story at face value - that is, Bael stealing the Stark maiden and getting her with child, a bastard child that later slew his own father (something we're probably going to see with Ramsay) - you could make the case that this legend describes a rape too. A rape by a "king" in his own right, the King Beyond the Wall. 2) If you dive deeper into the tale and consider the possibility that either a ) BAEL himself was not the one to do the deed with the Stark maiden and that it was someone else that stole her away, and there is considerable evidence for this when you read between the lines, or b ) Bael the Bard may be more "northern" than we thought - as in, REALLY northern, then a child born of either of these types of unions would have a dark background indeed...and association to a different sort of "king". **For the record, I have a whole massive theory on this if anyone is interested.** Whichever you might subscribe to, this may be what the free folk remember that the kneelers have forgotten - the name "Snow" is (or should be) reserved for those born of evil circumstances, the sons paying for the sins of the father and all that. Furthermore, given how far back the presence of the First Men goes in Westeros, I'm inclined to think the bastard surname practice began in the north and diffused throughout the rest of the continent as cultural practices are wont to do with increased immigration/conquest/societal contact/etc - but of course the meaning behind the Snow surname was lost to time and history for the most part...but some memory of it and/or respect for past legend remains, hence why there are so few Snows in the north. People don't want to acknowledge the King hiding under the Snow.
  13. So it is, so it is... The quote of Sansa’s About “hollow knights” is amusing in another sense, as the slang meaning of “empty suit” is, of course, a person of prominence who is all show and no substance, and who has typically gained his/her position via nepotism. Considering that so much has been made about Rhaegar and his fancy black dragon armor, I wonder what we’re being told here about his place in the line of “empty suits”....especially given that most likely his armor, which must have been badly damaged after meeting Robert’s warhammer, isn’t there.
  14. I will be convinced until the last page of the series that something was going on with Rhaegar’s fancy black armor — armor that as described sounds similar that of Daemon I Blackfyre, I might add....particularly the winged dragon helm. I’m not sure what to make of that. There’s also the “hall of dragons” that may be significant: Seems like pretty easy access to some old Targaryen armor—I wonder if someone helped themselves to a piece or two at some point?
  15. I’m of the same mind, actually. There was no financial need for it, it would be more of a formality than anything, but using said formality as a chance to meet and do the secret handshakes is intriguing.