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  1. Spoken like a real Sith Lord.
  2. My favourite Nissa Nissa candidate is Rhaella. Which incidentally makes Mad King Aerys II the last hero. That would be so lovely ironic. Our hero's first sword fails in water (Rhaegar in the floods of the trident). His second sword (Viserys) fails in the heart of a Lion (admittedly a weak point in the theory - but Drogo did have a nice lion pelt which which he gifted to Dany. Finally our hero plunged his 'sword' into his wife, Rhaella, and sacrificed her life to bring forth - Dany as Lightbringer. *** (EDIT: Some years ago I had refined the theory by adding a better 'lion' for the second failed try. That would be Joanna Lannister whose 'heart' (love) Aerys II used to temper his second sword in (which then would be Tyrion instead of Viserys). The theory gets bogged down by the Tyrion-Targ controversy then of course. Also we would have four swords instead of three (Rhaegar, Tyrion, Viserys, Dany) so that Viserys would have to be somehow explained away. For the sake of simplicity I skip Joanna and Tyrion here and go with Viserys as sword no. 2.)
  3. We have a 40 something woman (Rhaella) with long history of miscarriages and whose last successful birth was 8 years ago (Viserys) who suddenly - literally on the very last occasion she has sex successfully conceives and supposedly gives birth to a healthy daughter. For some reason GRRM has removed every supposed witness for the pregnancy and birth. We don't have a single one left except Viserys, who dies early in the story too. And we definitely know Rhaella was not visibly pregnant when she left KL. Ashara Dayne is supposed to have thrown herself off a tower yet a body was never found. She is said to have had a stillborn girl - yet we get told no name and no father. GRRM for some reason chooses to keep all this a mystery. Dany's memories and what Viserys has told her about her travels do not add up. Now it is of course possible that GRRM added these mysteries for no deeper reason, just as flavour for lack of a better word. And if you buy into the official party line about Dany you have every right to do so. You may very well be right. However this does not change the fact that GRRM has added these mysteries. And that readers have every right to speculate about them, try to make sense of them and talk about them on this forum.
  4. I love Arya as a character but I agree that there may be a problem with some of her chapters in SoS (and for me also in CoK). Let's try to figure out what that problem is: 1) It has been proposed above that she simply has too many chapters in SoS. She certainly does have a lot of chapters in that book so let's keep this reason - the sheer number of them - in mind as possibly problematical. However I think it is pretty obvious that if all her chapters in that book were interesting to read then there would be no complaints about how many of them there are. So I think the number alone can not be the whole explanation. We also should look at the content. 2) I have been trying to figure out what has been bugging me - content-wise - about the Arya storyline in CoK and SoS since I first read it. I have come up with two points: - the first one is that GRRM (I think) wants to keep her story comparatively realistical and believable at that early! point in her career. She is just a child after all with just some fencing training (but not a lot of it) and no assassin's training at all. He doesn't want her to come off as a super-heroine (yet). The yet is an important word if you ask me. I think it is clear GRRM means Arya to do something pretty superpowery later in her career and wants to set that up slowly, build up to the later payoff. So he has been writing her Clash and Storms chapters with the hand-brake put on so to speak. This way of slow building while theoretically sounding logical has the practical consequence that it makes her CoK and SoS chapters a little hard to follow as there is not a lot of immediate payoff. She is slugging along, not really knowing what she is doing or where she is headed even. One has to be pretty dedicated to enjoy that I suppose. That does not mean she is a bad character though. It is not a problem in all her chapters. Just some of those in these two books. 3) I have the impression that GRRM uses the Arya character in CoK and SoS partly to convey exposition to the readers (i.e. give us information he feels we should have but he has found no other way of giving to us). So in those two books he steers Arya to places and people he wants us to learn things about. Arya is the POV through whose eyes we get info about Harrenhal, Tywin there, Roose there, Jaqen H'gar, the Brootherhood, the Hound, the Ghost of High Heart. (And probably even more who I can't recall right now). While this method (giving necessary info through a POV) sounds great in theory it does have the problem that it means that the Arya character in CoK and SoS does not really have agenda over her own plotline. She turns up where GRRM needs her to be and do what GRRM wants her to do in order to convey his exposition to us. Not where she wants to go and what she wants to do. And I suppose as a reader we somehow sense that and that makes watching her being pushed this way and that a little frustrating.
  5. Congrats! A nice read. I especially admire the effort that went into the OP and all those quotes you are reminding us of. Whether your conclusion will turn out true I have no idea. And I don't care honestly: What I care about is that the theory is possible time-line-wise, would make sense and is interesting. Personally I think even though you went to all these troubles with pulling quotes together you really did not manage to find even a single hard piece of evidence. But that is not your fault: it is GRRM's who (no doubt purposfully) has not give us any. However: your pattern works, the pieces would fit. The pieces could also fit other theories of course as well since GRRM has been so vague. So: are you right? I don't know. Could you be right? Yes. Did you make an interesting post? Definitely yes.
  6. Nice work on pulling together all the book quotes for the OP. I am all for alternative Dany background theories since all she knows comes second hand from Viserys who was just eight when she was born and is not trustworthy to begin with - and since a secret about her birth would keep up the symmetry between her and Jon's storylines. However this theory like all alternative Dany theories has the problem of lack of evidence. GRRM just hasn't give us a lot to work with. That's the reason why I still think it more likely that the official party line about her being the child of Aerys and Rhaella is right. I keep an open mind though and can't wait to find out which way GRRM will go. BTW: there is one fact that actually contradicts the Rhaegar + Ashara theory IMO: Rhaegar already had two children with Elia. If both Jon AND Dany also were his kids then he'd have four, not three. That's one too many (at least if he really was trying to create 'three heads'.)
  7. Errr - Dany was a toddler when she last saw William Darry. If the guy she remembers as Darry even was him at all. So any timeline info she knows that could at least possibly be accurate can only come from Viserys.
  8. How can we assume Dany's recollection of events is accurate to a day (or even to a week)? They are the recollections of a child who has heard it second hand from her brother who himself was only eight years old at the time. This leaves GRRM a lot of wiggle room. That said: Even if we did assume Dany's memory is 100% accurate to the day the timeline works out: For instance if the rape happened approximately two weeks before the battle of the trident then a couple of days pass (up to a week maybe) before Rhaella and Viserys are sent to dragonstone. So Rhaella would have been pregnant for about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks before she left for dragonstone. Another nine moons (or 36 weeks) means Dany was born about 39 weeks after conception. A little early actually but not impossibly so. Or maybe the rape happened not two weeks but three weeks before the trident. Then Dany would have been born 40 weeks after conception or on time really. The only thing that then does not fit is that Rossart according to Tyrion was only hand for a fortnight. It must have been at least a couple of days more than that. And why not? It's not like Tyrion was counting out days when he told that story.
  9. I don't know how you come up with these things - and have no idea whether you are right. But I love this idea. What myth has made into a dragon are actually the remnants of a ship. Heh. I freely admit I have a dislike for mythological explanations and thus am predisposed to jump on anything that explains them rationally. And that's probably why I love this. Still very nice! (Whether there also is truth to it we'll see. Let's hope GRRM gets around to deal with it.)
  10. From the book? We both know - but it seems you still need to recall: the Starks, Baratheons, Tullys and Arryns were the Alliance that had toppled Aerys II and put Robert on the throne. And at the point Robert died the four were still - theoretically - on good terms. And none of them cared for the Lannisters. So GRRM had to find ways to split them. And did. That's what I was pointing out. Rightly, has I think.
  11. I think we agree that it's all about the end-game. But how the pieces fit together beats me. For instance: we already have a prince who is a merger of both ice and fire (Jon). So is that merged prince meant to take the side of fire and defeat the ice side? That sounds somewhat counter-intuitive. We have a legendary sword: the flaming sword of the last hero. We also have the icy swords of the Others which sound like the exact opposite of last hero's flaming sword. We have a legendary battle for the dawn and we have a sword called Dawn which has been at the Tower of Joy when the merged prince of ice and fire was born and whose description makes it sound like it looks like the icy swords of the Others. Is Dawn an ice sword? Was the 'Battle for the Dawn' a battle for the sword Dawn? Is it a coincidence that the legendary sword of House Stark was called Ice? Is Dawn the original Ice as some posters on this forum have postulated? Is the Others' goal actually to recapture the sword Dawn? Do they have an inverted 'Azor Ahai' or 'Last Hero' legend? Does an icy last hero wielding an icy Dawn have to face off against a fiery last hero wielding a flaming sword? Each side being promised that wielding their respective legendary swords will bring final victory (eternal summer/eternal winter). That would sound like a matter/antimatter reaction to me. Annihilating each other. With ultimate victory and defeat for both sides. And leaving the merged prince of ice and fire to rule over the ruins. Lots of possibilities - too many for me to piece together. But a very cool setup by GRRM.
  12. You certainly have done your research and I agree you may be on the right track. I can't say I am sure you are. But you may be. This would actually be GRRMs usual writing tactics: Say something about A when it really is meant to pertain to B. (Here: explain all about direwolves when he really means dragons). Now supposing your theory is right: Then IMO you still would not need to postulate that all Targs that bonded with dragon eggs were skinchangers in the true sense of the word. It could be that just the original bonding happened that way. Someone or several someones skinchanged dragons and lost themselves in them. Or at least went too far and mated while in dragon form. And thus that dragon lineage became part Targ. And from that point on the direct descendants of those Targs were related to the direct descendents of those dragons and found it easier to bond with them, regardless of true skinchanging.
  13. That a hypothetical Ashara as a mother to Dany helped reestablish dragon hatching is a possibility that should be kept in mind IMO. Good observation. However it is not the only possible explanation for Dany's ability to hatch dragons: I also like Chrisdaw's idea that Mirri's spells accidently recreated how Valyrians had become dragon-bonded in the first place - here by pushing Rhaego's and Drogo's souls - (but most importantly Rhaego's since he shares 'bloodine' with Dany) - out of their own bodies and inadvertently linking those souls with the dragon eggs, fertilizing them. Or even if one does not postulate that Mirri's spells recreated he original Valyrian 'recipe' for bonding with dragons, Mirri's spells could somehow inadvertedly have merged Drogo's and Rhaego's souls with two of the dragon eggs and fertilized all three. That's what I think is most likely. Mirri did do some serious blood magic there in the tent (next to the eggs) and GRRM did feel the need to include her and her sorcery in the story so to me that makes it seem likely there is a connection between her and the 're-awakening' of a dragon-hatching ability. And if that is the case and Mirri really was the main reason why the stone eggs were suddenly able to hatch then Dany doesn't need to have some hidden ancestry (Dayne) to have a lost former Targ ability restored. Dany could be the daughter of Aerys and Rhaella. Not saying Dany can't be a secret Dayne. But she doesn't have to be.
  14. Dorian is right though GRRM's problem before the start of the war of the five kings was that the North was theoretically allied with the Riverlands, the Vale and the Stormlands. So 4 of 7 kingsdoms. The Lannisters were totally outnumbered and would have stood no chance. So GRRM had to find ways to split that alliance and he did. He brought in two different pretenders from the Stormland side - especially Stannis - to mess things up from their end, took the Vale out of the equation through Littlefinger and Lysa and gave the Riverlands a treacherous vassal (the Freys). It's all designed for Robb to lose. Since that loss is needed for the story. In addition to that Robb made some mistakes. But those were minor compared to what GRRM did to put him in a bad position.
  15. I like your idea of how Rhaego's sacrifice might have caused Dany's temporary fire resistance. I also like your idea (if I understand you right that is) that Mirri's spells and the sacrifice of Drogo and Rhaego and the following pyre scene may have accidently recreated how the Valyrians first bonded with dragons. However I have to say I don't see real evidence for it either: (evidence is not the same as it fits the observations.) There is no way we can claim 'this is definitely what happened' here as you are doing. But it is one possible explanation for what's going on in those scenes and I like it. What I can't get on board with is your Stone Drogon theory: I have read through that link you posted above, those various parts you have pulled together from all over the books. Yes, those scenes or parts of scenes may each be pieces of something (or not, since not everything GRRM writes is foreshadowing). At any rate: the pieces seem unrelated. More like pieces from various different jiggsaw puzzles that you have tried to fit together but that don't really. In short: while I obviously can't rule out Drogon will be infected with greyscale (since 2 books are still missing) your reasoning seems forced to me. And in that ferry scene which forms the biggest part of your reasoning the only thing that reminds of the HotU prophecy is a tower from which smoke rises. There are various smoking towers in the series. If you claim this is the one then you need sound reasoning for it. When I read the OP of the Drogon - Stone Drogon link you provided to guide us to your theory I tried to find your reasoning for why this tower that smokes (and not one of the other smoking towers) is the smoking tower from the HotU vision. You write there: "First off the smoking stone tower, signalling the tower Stone Drogon is born from in the vision and the tower Euron leaps from." That however is not reasoning. That is a conclusion. Ok - it is a valid method of argumentation to put a conclusion first and then follow up with the reasoning that leads to it. So I continued reading that OP of yours. But - no reasoning followed Nothing that presents any evidence as to why you believe that tower at the ferry landing is the smoking tower from Dany's HotU vision. Well - aside from what you present in your conclusion (first sentence): that it smokes. As I said however: there are various smoking towers in the series. And I know at least one for which a solid chain of reasoning can be made that explains the whole 'from a smoking tower a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire' sentence from the HotU AND the reason why this sentence is part of the 'slayer of lies' triplet. Look at the the tower at the ferry landing and then at the HotU: 'from a smoking tower a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire'. The ferry scene does not have a stone beast on or at least next to a smoking tower. So nothing can take wing from it. In fact the ferry scene does not have a stone beast at all. The scene also has no wings. It has nothing taking flight. It has no shadow fire. For lack of a beast in the scene you have resorted to the golden coins Sandor pays to the ferryman. (Or at least that is how I understand you). That feels forced, sorry. Yes, golden coins are referred to as dragons in the books. But in this scene they aren't stone beasts. You could make a case for them being beasts I suppose - but stone beasts? No. Also the coins do not take flight (let alone 'from' the smoking tower). They don't even get thrown or anything. And they do not in this scene are associated with any sort of fire (let alone shadow fire). What's more: there are three of them (coins that is). But the prophecy speaks of 'a' stone beast, singular, that takes wing from a smoking tower, breathing shadow fire. Nothing of that happening here in even the most metaphorical of ways. I still like that you point out the ferry scene. Especially the tree and it's possibly symbolizing a kraken as it 'attacks' the ferry. This is real cool. It does not have anything - at all - to do with the stone beast from the HotU or a greyscaled drogon IMO but it may well be foreshadowing something. Maybe even the three golden dragons that get paid will turn out to have a meaning. But if so then that meaning has something to do with three dragons having to be paid (in the final resolution of the whole story maybe?), but not with one of them turning to stone.