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  1. Errr - Dany was a toddler when she last saw William Darry. If the guy she remembers as Darry even was him at all. So any timeline info she knows that could at least possibly be accurate can only come from Viserys.
  2. How can we assume Dany's recollection of events is accurate to a day (or even to a week)? They are the recollections of a child who has heard it second hand from her brother who himself was only eight years old at the time. This leaves GRRM a lot of wiggle room. That said: Even if we did assume Dany's memory is 100% accurate to the day the timeline works out: For instance if the rape happened approximately two weeks before the battle of the trident then a couple of days pass (up to a week maybe) before Rhaella and Viserys are sent to dragonstone. So Rhaella would have been pregnant for about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks before she left for dragonstone. Another nine moons (or 36 weeks) means Dany was born about 39 weeks after conception. A little early actually but not impossibly so. Or maybe the rape happened not two weeks but three weeks before the trident. Then Dany would have been born 40 weeks after conception or on time really. The only thing that then does not fit is that Rossart according to Tyrion was only hand for a fortnight. It must have been at least a couple of days more than that. And why not? It's not like Tyrion was counting out days when he told that story.
  3. I don't know how you come up with these things - and have no idea whether you are right. But I love this idea. What myth has made into a dragon are actually the remnants of a ship. Heh. I freely admit I have a dislike for mythological explanations and thus am predisposed to jump on anything that explains them rationally. And that's probably why I love this. Still very nice! (Whether there also is truth to it we'll see. Let's hope GRRM gets around to deal with it.)
  4. From the book? We both know - but it seems you still need to recall: the Starks, Baratheons, Tullys and Arryns were the Alliance that had toppled Aerys II and put Robert on the throne. And at the point Robert died the four were still - theoretically - on good terms. And none of them cared for the Lannisters. So GRRM had to find ways to split them. And did. That's what I was pointing out. Rightly, has I think.
  5. I think we agree that it's all about the end-game. But how the pieces fit together beats me. For instance: we already have a prince who is a merger of both ice and fire (Jon). So is that merged prince meant to take the side of fire and defeat the ice side? That sounds somewhat counter-intuitive. We have a legendary sword: the flaming sword of the last hero. We also have the icy swords of the Others which sound like the exact opposite of last hero's flaming sword. We have a legendary battle for the dawn and we have a sword called Dawn which has been at the Tower of Joy when the merged prince of ice and fire was born and whose description makes it sound like it looks like the icy swords of the Others. Is Dawn an ice sword? Was the 'Battle for the Dawn' a battle for the sword Dawn? Is it a coincidence that the legendary sword of House Stark was called Ice? Is Dawn the original Ice as some posters on this forum have postulated? Is the Others' goal actually to recapture the sword Dawn? Do they have an inverted 'Azor Ahai' or 'Last Hero' legend? Does an icy last hero wielding an icy Dawn have to face off against a fiery last hero wielding a flaming sword? Each side being promised that wielding their respective legendary swords will bring final victory (eternal summer/eternal winter). That would sound like a matter/antimatter reaction to me. Annihilating each other. With ultimate victory and defeat for both sides. And leaving the merged prince of ice and fire to rule over the ruins. Lots of possibilities - too many for me to piece together. But a very cool setup by GRRM.
  6. You certainly have done your research and I agree you may be on the right track. I can't say I am sure you are. But you may be. This would actually be GRRMs usual writing tactics: Say something about A when it really is meant to pertain to B. (Here: explain all about direwolves when he really means dragons). Now supposing your theory is right: Then IMO you still would not need to postulate that all Targs that bonded with dragon eggs were skinchangers in the true sense of the word. It could be that just the original bonding happened that way. Someone or several someones skinchanged dragons and lost themselves in them. Or at least went too far and mated while in dragon form. And thus that dragon lineage became part Targ. And from that point on the direct descendants of those Targs were related to the direct descendents of those dragons and found it easier to bond with them, regardless of true skinchanging.
  7. That a hypothetical Ashara as a mother to Dany helped reestablish dragon hatching is a possibility that should be kept in mind IMO. Good observation. However it is not the only possible explanation for Dany's ability to hatch dragons: I also like Chrisdaw's idea that Mirri's spells accidently recreated how Valyrians had become dragon-bonded in the first place - here by pushing Rhaego's and Drogo's souls - (but most importantly Rhaego's since he shares 'bloodine' with Dany) - out of their own bodies and inadvertently linking those souls with the dragon eggs, fertilizing them. Or even if one does not postulate that Mirri's spells recreated he original Valyrian 'recipe' for bonding with dragons, Mirri's spells could somehow inadvertedly have merged Drogo's and Rhaego's souls with two of the dragon eggs and fertilized all three. That's what I think is most likely. Mirri did do some serious blood magic there in the tent (next to the eggs) and GRRM did feel the need to include her and her sorcery in the story so to me that makes it seem likely there is a connection between her and the 're-awakening' of a dragon-hatching ability. And if that is the case and Mirri really was the main reason why the stone eggs were suddenly able to hatch then Dany doesn't need to have some hidden ancestry (Dayne) to have a lost former Targ ability restored. Dany could be the daughter of Aerys and Rhaella. Not saying Dany can't be a secret Dayne. But she doesn't have to be.
  8. Dorian is right though GRRM's problem before the start of the war of the five kings was that the North was theoretically allied with the Riverlands, the Vale and the Stormlands. So 4 of 7 kingsdoms. The Lannisters were totally outnumbered and would have stood no chance. So GRRM had to find ways to split that alliance and he did. He brought in two different pretenders from the Stormland side - especially Stannis - to mess things up from their end, took the Vale out of the equation through Littlefinger and Lysa and gave the Riverlands a treacherous vassal (the Freys). It's all designed for Robb to lose. Since that loss is needed for the story. In addition to that Robb made some mistakes. But those were minor compared to what GRRM did to put him in a bad position.
  9. I like your idea of how Rhaego's sacrifice might have caused Dany's temporary fire resistance. I also like your idea (if I understand you right that is) that Mirri's spells and the sacrifice of Drogo and Rhaego and the following pyre scene may have accidently recreated how the Valyrians first bonded with dragons. However I have to say I don't see real evidence for it either: (evidence is not the same as it fits the observations.) There is no way we can claim 'this is definitely what happened' here as you are doing. But it is one possible explanation for what's going on in those scenes and I like it. What I can't get on board with is your Stone Drogon theory: I have read through that link you posted above, those various parts you have pulled together from all over the books. Yes, those scenes or parts of scenes may each be pieces of something (or not, since not everything GRRM writes is foreshadowing). At any rate: the pieces seem unrelated. More like pieces from various different jiggsaw puzzles that you have tried to fit together but that don't really. In short: while I obviously can't rule out Drogon will be infected with greyscale (since 2 books are still missing) your reasoning seems forced to me. And in that ferry scene which forms the biggest part of your reasoning the only thing that reminds of the HotU prophecy is a tower from which smoke rises. There are various smoking towers in the series. If you claim this is the one then you need sound reasoning for it. When I read the OP of the Drogon - Stone Drogon link you provided to guide us to your theory I tried to find your reasoning for why this tower that smokes (and not one of the other smoking towers) is the smoking tower from the HotU vision. You write there: "First off the smoking stone tower, signalling the tower Stone Drogon is born from in the vision and the tower Euron leaps from." That however is not reasoning. That is a conclusion. Ok - it is a valid method of argumentation to put a conclusion first and then follow up with the reasoning that leads to it. So I continued reading that OP of yours. But - no reasoning followed Nothing that presents any evidence as to why you believe that tower at the ferry landing is the smoking tower from Dany's HotU vision. Well - aside from what you present in your conclusion (first sentence): that it smokes. As I said however: there are various smoking towers in the series. And I know at least one for which a solid chain of reasoning can be made that explains the whole 'from a smoking tower a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire' sentence from the HotU AND the reason why this sentence is part of the 'slayer of lies' triplet. Look at the the tower at the ferry landing and then at the HotU: 'from a smoking tower a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire'. The ferry scene does not have a stone beast on or at least next to a smoking tower. So nothing can take wing from it. In fact the ferry scene does not have a stone beast at all. The scene also has no wings. It has nothing taking flight. It has no shadow fire. For lack of a beast in the scene you have resorted to the golden coins Sandor pays to the ferryman. (Or at least that is how I understand you). That feels forced, sorry. Yes, golden coins are referred to as dragons in the books. But in this scene they aren't stone beasts. You could make a case for them being beasts I suppose - but stone beasts? No. Also the coins do not take flight (let alone 'from' the smoking tower). They don't even get thrown or anything. And they do not in this scene are associated with any sort of fire (let alone shadow fire). What's more: there are three of them (coins that is). But the prophecy speaks of 'a' stone beast, singular, that takes wing from a smoking tower, breathing shadow fire. Nothing of that happening here in even the most metaphorical of ways. I still like that you point out the ferry scene. Especially the tree and it's possibly symbolizing a kraken as it 'attacks' the ferry. This is real cool. It does not have anything - at all - to do with the stone beast from the HotU or a greyscaled drogon IMO but it may well be foreshadowing something. Maybe even the three golden dragons that get paid will turn out to have a meaning. But if so then that meaning has something to do with three dragons having to be paid (in the final resolution of the whole story maybe?), but not with one of them turning to stone.
  10. There are so many great scenes that it seems harsh to pick out any one of them. my fav scene probably is Dany's vision quest scene in Dance. However Sansa's snow castle scene in Storm also is great. And then I have an outlier which I never would have thought could make it but came to very much admire during a reread: That's the burning of Winterfell, Summer's watching of the shadow fire over Winterfell and Bran & Co exploring the ruins of Winterfell afterwards, especially around the Old Keep and the entrance to the crypts. Every single sentence in that sequence is beautiful, tragic, heavy with meaning and - in my opinion - links to prophecy.
  11. About Mirri's prophecy: I suppose Drogo returns as Drogon. And that return of Drogo's (in a metaphorical way) happens twice in the story: once ironically immediately after Mirri's death - when Drogon hatches - and the second time during Dany's vision quest in the Dothraki Sea when he finally answers her summons. As to the HotU prophecy: I bet Drogon/Drogo is one of the three mounts (no surprise there I suppose). Just one however. Not two or three. I think it possible that the three mounts are the three dragons and that the 'you' in the prophecy is not singular (meaning just Dany) but plural and means 'you' three heads of the dragon must ride the three mounts (dragons). But I have not yet found a satisfying way of fitting the 3x3 fires/mounts/treasons verse triplets to the 3x3 daughter of death/slayer of lies/bride of fire vision triplets. Which in turn means I can't even be sure if the three mounts really are the dragons (or if all of them are). What I don't subscribe to is that the mounts are not really mounts but rather Dany's lovers or husbands or whatever. Except insofar as I think that an excellent case can be made for Drogon indeed being a kind of reborn Drogo. That still does not mean that Drogo is two of the mounts though. Drogon is one mount. The other two are either the other two dragons or Dany's Silver and a Direwolf or whatever. The dragons fit best IMO.
  12. And as you rightly pointed out the eggs seemed to be alive before the pyre. And not just Viserion's egg: the other two also. In the same scene you mentioned with Viserion's egg Dany goes to the other two eggs which are still in the box and finds that they too are strangely hot. It is a bit ambigous though: Dany feels them hot, to Jorah they are cold. At this point Viserys was of course dead. So it is possible that his soul had switched into the Viserion egg as you assume. Rhaego was also dead. Indeed he had died while Dany was unconscious just before this scene with the eggs. His soul could have gone into the Rhaegal egg. Drogo was technically still alive. Dany had not smothered him yet. However as we know he was a vegetable. So it is not completely impossible to assume his soul was not home anymore. Which means it could have gone into the Drogon egg. Maybe Mirri's spells So that makes it possible that the souls of all three persons had already entered the eggs before Dany ever put them on the pyre. Or anyways they were already fertilized and alive. Would they have hatched without the pyre? I don't think so. That's because in the pyre scene Dany thinks she had already suspected the truth: the braziers she had used before had not been hot enough (to hatch the eggs). What's with the Mirri sacrifice I am not sure either. Since the eggs were already fertilized (a death paid for each of them already) and the fire was now hot enough it sounds like they might possibly have hatched even without Mirri being burned and Dany walking into the pyre? However my impression of the scene is that Dany is indeed the Princess that was Promised and that this means she has some innate ability to make dragon eggs hatch and she was needed in the pyre. And Mirri's sacrifice was there for fire protection and as a kind of catalyst in helping the hatchlings break out of their stone prisons. About the skinchanging topic: I have read the speculation about Drogo being a skinchanger. But it does not satisfy me. A theory that has a hole (most sacrifices being Targs but Drogo not being one thus not fitting the pattern) is unsatisfying. And then filling that hole with wholesale speculation (by giving him a skinchanging ability to somehow make him fit the pattern) is even more unsatisfying. To me Drogo breaks the hypothetical skinchanging pattern. Which - to me - means it is likely wrong. That there may be a special connection between Targs and dragons however I can easily see. That that connection may have some similarity to northern family skinchanging I could get onboard with. But Drogo seems to indicate that whatever that connection between Targs and dragons is: it is not an absolutely essential prerequisite for someone's soul to wander into a dragon. Non-Targs, non-skinchangers whatever also seem to be able to do it under the right circumstance (like when a fire maegi is weaving spells maybe). Maybe this body-switching that skinchangers do is not quite as unique as we think and souls in the GRRM universe generally have at least a latent ability to go - somewhere. Skinchanger souls just can do it more easily and purposefully.
  13. You can not simply scale up the weight of the armour in a linear fashion with the weight of the man, Nihlus. Armor covers a surface. A surface area increases with a square exponent (^2). Meanwhile a volume (and the weight of the man depends on his volume) increase with a cubic exponent (^3). So with increasing height of a person his body weight increases much more than his surface area (and thus as the weight of his armour). That said: Still Gregors armour of course weighs a lot more than the armour of a mid-sized guy. Also GRRMs destriers must be really HUGE if they can carry Gregor. I just now googled horse sizes, weight capacity and middle-age destriers and found out that those destriers (in the real world) are believed to have been the size of a normal modern riding horse (just a very muscular one). They were not these huge draft horses of today that can weigh up to a ton. However GRRM is of course free to design his destriers whatever way he likes and maybe ASOIAF destriers are simply much bigger than rl destriers have been.
  14. I think this is a very neat theory - that a soul is needed to enter a dragon egg before the egg can be hatched. And that that soul can be provided by a death. Whether that's really what's happening I don't know but it could be. If I understand your theory right you hypothize that analogous to the Varamyr chapter a Targ skinchanger's soul in death quasi automatically looks around for a suitable vessel to switch into and then latches on to any available nearby dragon egg, kind of 'fertilizing' it for lack of a better word. I personally very much like this idea. However I must also say that I don't see a lot of evidence for it: The Varamyr chapter would make sense in other ways too (meaning it makes sense in setting up whatever will happen to Jon). It does not so far seem to be related to dragons. So that is not really a piece of evidence here. As to the part of the theory that a death is needed for a soul to fertilize a dragon egg this could be true even if the sacrifice did not have to be a skinchanger. What I am saying is that there could be another connection between Targs and dragons (or maybe even between other people than Targs and dragons or at least dragon eggs). A connection that is not necessarily the same as the warging or skinchanging ability of some northern families. For example it could be a connection by fire sacrifice. Or by bloodline. or something anybody has even. In that case the deaths you have uncovered that correspond with later hatchings of dragons could be sacrifices, yes - but be related to the hatching in - whatever way, not necessarily a skinchanger way. That would make the theory easier because you would not have to postulate that Viserys was a skinchanger, Drogo was a skinchanger, Rhaego was a skinchanger and all the other persons whose deaths you discovered also were skinchangers. I am not saying its impossible all those persons were secret skinchangers - but it seems a bit - hm - of a stretch.