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  1. LOL yes, if this turns out to be the case, I agree with your characterization. And if it was pretty much any other author I would assume this is what is going on. But because it is GRRM, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming it is an intricate conspiracy rather than contrived writing for the sake of moving the plot forward. I could definitely be wrong.
  2. One of the most interesting moments of the series imo is when Varamyr dies and describes his experience. Most people assume we witnessed a standard skinchanger death, but I actually think we witnessed him go into the weirnet because he died in front of a weirwood and his blood may have been absorbed into its roots. Regardless, we see that the weirnet is actively connected to everything in the forest, including worms and the other non-weirwood trees. I don't think it's a huge stretch to think that the planet itself and/or other celestial bodies could be skinchanged too. As for the second moon, my thought has always been that someone skinchanged the comet to destroy the moon and the resulting cloud of dust caused the long night. But it would also make sense if the moon itself was skinchanged since it is a direct parallel to Nissa Nissa and her cry of anguish left a crack across the face of the moon, yadda yadda. Alternatively, it could be that someone used more traditional telekinesis to destroy the moon with a comet. We haven't seen telekinesis explicitly in asoiaf yet, but it is certainly present in other GRRM stories. As for dragon glass, that is a super interesting topic here. Why does obsidian kill white walkers? Mayhaps the souls of someone/BSE are absorbed into the earth and "imprint" themselves onto molten obsidian, in a manner similar to whisperjewels. If Valyrian steel is created by sacrificing someone and absorbing their soul into the blade, and it does in fact kill white walkers as well, it would make a lot of sense for obsidian to contain souls. And it is these souls/soul-energy killing the white walkers. If I had to take a tinfoil guess at the specific mechanic, I think white walkers are constantly maintaining their physical form with some sort of weird telekinesis, and the soul energy disrupts their telekinetic power. And to bring it full circle back to the idea of a star-net, it may be that sunlight does something very similar. On a related note, I also have a theory that the growth/size of dragons is based on how many people/animals they kill. Basically, they feed on souls in addition to meat. And this may explain their need to cook meat before eating it. They need to release the soul from the body by burning it?? I always thought it was odd that Balerion was the biggest dragon skull in KL. He was not the oldest dragon, yet he was the biggest. And I also never bought the explanation that later dragons were smaller because they were kept indoors. Both of these things may be explained if size is proportional to kill count. Balerion killed a lot of people in the conquest, mostly at the field of fire and Harrenhal. And then he killed a bunch more people during the reign of Maegor.
  3. Just to share some quick related tinfoil before I go to sleep... I have previously speculated that there could be a "fire-net" comprised of the stars. Mostly based on 3 things: 1) The Dothraki religious belief that souls are basically absorbed into the stars. 2) It would be interesting if when Red God followers (and Targs) burn people their souls actually enter a fire-net (and dragons could be tapping into this fire-net for their power??). 3) And this is the super tinfoil part... The setting of Nightflyers is a bunch of scientist-type people on a spaceship trying to catch/research a volcryn, which is a mysterious space-traveling alien. All volcryns are traveling relatively slowly away from the center of the galaxy. One theory of how they were born in the first place is that life evolved inside of gas planets (you know, like Jupiter, Saturn, etc.), and they fought a war (and lost) against another alien race in the very beginning of the galaxy. So my tinfoil is that this other alien race was the stars of the galaxy themselves!! (in the form of a "fire-net"). Basically, I'm thinking that in GRRM's imagination, he thinks that consciousness should be able to be contained by many different mediums. A brain certainly, but also things like the Greeshka, which is some kind of crazy fungus or something, and also whisperjewels and the computer core in Nightflyers. And so mayhaps something like the galaxy itself, which is comprised of a bunch of energy-emitting stars, can act as a sort of "neural network" capable of containing consciousness... at least in GRRM's crazy imagination. Anyways, would I buy the idea that Planetos could be a soul-containing "computer" of sorts? Absolutely yes. OK... taking my tinfoil hat off and going to bed now
  4. Lovin' this thread. Hopefully I will have more time tomorrow for a longer post but I wanted to mention a couple things real quick... For anyone who hasn't read my COTF Master Plan thread, I think that every weirwood has a greenseer connected to it. The relevant point to this discussion is that "fully joining the weirnet" means doing what Bloodraven did, which is basically turning into a weirwood. In this sense (if I'm right) the weirnet would be very similar to the Greeshka in A Song For Lya. A telepath/greenseer can become mentally connected/linked to the weirnet to a degree without physically connecting to it, but fully joining the collective involves basically sacrificing your body and physically transforming. In A Song For Lya, this initial mental connection is formed by ringing bells, using sound as a medium for telepathic communication. In ASOIAF, weirwood paste/shade of the evening serve a similar purpose. And by the way, weirwood paste and shade of the evening are totally the same thing . Anyhow, to address what @ravenous reader was mentioning with Bran's end game, yeah I essentially agree with the prediction that "Bran will escape Bloodraven's hollow of hypnotic horrors and extricate himself from the krakenesque clutches of the weirnet", which is a rather hilarious phrasing btw, well done. I have previously made the very specific prediction that Bran will basically have 2 choices in the end: 1) use the weirnet to travel back in time, transfer his consciousness into his young self, and change the course of his life to never become crippled, become a knight, live out his dreams, etc... or 2) destroy the weirnet to save everyone he loves (everyone still alive anyways... Meera??) at the cost of his own life. Spoiler for relevant GRRM story below: Speaking of time travel, I think time travel is super important in ASOIAF. For anyone curious (though some people here have already read it ) I have an in depth summary/explanation of GRRM's 3 time travel stories here. Warning, it is ultra spoilery for those stories. @The Fattest Leech IDK if you are aware of this, but you are correct, ASOIAF is definitely not a Thousand Worlds story. GRRM confirmed it on his blog about 2 years ago answering a fan question. https://grrm.livejournal.com/464984.html
  5. I always love your tinfoil @hiemal I'm going to bed now and will hopefully get back to this with a longer response later, but real quick before I go to sleep, I would like to support your tinfoil by bringing up the concept of a "whisperjewel" from GRRM's Thousand Worlds universe. A brief quote from Nightflyers: Basically whisperjewels are like memory jewels. And in Nightflyers a powerful telepath actually stored her soul in a computer when she died, possibly in a similar fashion to the weirnet: So we know for a fact that GRRM has previously played around with the concept of storing souls/psionic power, and specifically storing it in crystals, so using jewels to aid glamours could definitely be something along these lines. I wouldn't be surprised if Valyrian steel contains souls. And the forging of Lightbringer sounds like AA may have been transferring NN's soul into the blade.
  6. Semantics. LF's dagger, Robert's dagger, call it whatever you want. The point is that it belonged to LF a few months earlier and he could credibly blame the assassin on Tyrion. You are wrong. LF demonstrated that he already knew the balance of the dagger and had the muscle memory necessary to accurately throw it. And more importantly, his story is later corroborated by Jaime. The app is not canon. It is not written by GRRM, and he didn't proofread the entire thing. It is semi-canon. I call it a conspiracy carried out by a time-traveling weirnet/Bloodraven, which I honestly think is more in line with GRRM's writing style. But we are all free to have our own opinions. I don't know. Mayhaps the assassin needed to discreetly have access to the weapon in WF and LF knew Robert would bring all his weapons north? Mayhaps GRRM simply wanted LF's story to be credibly refuted by both Lannister brothers? Ask GRRM. If this turns out to be the case I won't be super surprised. But still, the whole situation is quite odd.
  7. Technically no, but the assassin did wait until about 8 days after everyone left WF, so if that wasn't Joff's instructions then it was the assassin taking extra risk upon himself and hiding in WF for over a week for no particular reason. The whole thing is super weird. Why wouldn't the assassin just take the silver and leave? He had supposedly already been paid for the job. Yeah maybe LF could have still blamed the Lannisters... but he didn't have to because of the giant coincidence that his dagger was used in the attempt.
  8. Sure, that could definitely be the case. But it would be a really stupid plan, even for Joffrey. And we have to accept that he was stupid enough to send the assassin with the dagger but smart enough to tell him to wait until a week after they left to cover his tracks. It is possible, but it seems odd. More importantly, if Joff really did send the assassin, it was a super huge coincidence that he happened to pick LF's dagger and another coincidence that the assassin failed so the dagger could be found at all and another coincidence that Lysa's letter about Jon Arryn caused Cat to blame the Lannisters and head to KL and have the conversation with LF, ultimately leading to Cat kidnapping Tyrion and the Wot5K. It is a whole series of coincidences that played directly into BR's plan to bring Bran north, and so I think it is more likely that BR himself was involved in setting up the whole thing in the first place. LOL "40k cents"
  9. I doubt you've read my crackpot theory, but I would argue that it does meet this criteria. 90% of the clues are there in AGOT, and we didn't actually meet Bloodraven in ASOS, but it is clear by the end of the book that Bran and company are traveling north to meet the TEC.
  10. Possible, but this answer is really not satisfactory to many readers because it has a couple giant holes. 1) It implies that GRRM wrote a super contrived giant coincidence that Joffrey just happened to choose LF's dagger and then LF had the perfect opportunity to blame it on Tyrion, and 2) why would anyone arm an assassin with a fancy dagger to kill a small boy in a coma? Why arm him at all? Why wouldn't he just smother Bran with a pillow? Then everyone would assume that the kid who fell from a tower died in his coma, and no one would even be suspicious of foul play. I do think the answer is already there and somewhat easy to figure out, but I don't think it was Joffrey. And I won't be surprised if GRRM makes this clear via Bran looking into the past in TWOW or ADOS. @Chrissie it was Bloodraven (and LF) Short version of the theory: Unless GRRM wrote some really contrived coincidences for the sake of advancing the plot in AGOT, the clear explanation is that the fancy dagger was planted on purpose. Someone wanted Cat to notice that the weapon was "too fine a weapon" for the assassin to own and go on a murder mystery adventure (which she did). And the reason she suspected the Lannisters was because of Lysa's letter blaming them for the death of Jon Arryn... which was actually part of LF's plan. And it turned out to be LF's dagger. But LF couldn't have acted alone because he would have no way of predicting that Summer would kill the assassin and foil the attempt. The only person who could have done that was Bloodraven, who has the power to skinchange animals (and possibly time travel if he lied to Bran). The assassin was armed with LF's fancy dagger because they planned for him to be killed by Summer.
  11. Sure, GRRM has plenty of stories where main characters die. But he also writes more traditionally happy endings once in a while like in: I don't think we can say anything for sure about the ending to asoiaf other than he will leave some things ambiguous.
  12. LOL yes To summarize the story, it's from the journal of a Soviet officer in WW2. The punishment for disobeying orders was so severe that men would carry out orders basically no matter what, and also there was a lot of drinking going on at every level of command. The specific anecdote I referenced was when the orders come down to move the front line at a certain spot 5 miles forward. There is a strong river right in front of the current position that they need to cross. None of the soldiers can swim or have even seen a river before, and there is nothing to float on. The officer points his pistol at the first man and orders him to cross. Every man drowns one at a time, and the officer delivers his report to the commander, who relays the story to the colonel. The colonel is angry and says they have been dragging around pontoon boats. The battalion could have had as many as they wanted.
  13. They are both contained in Dreamsongs which you can easily find as an ebook it is like 40 GRRM stories + commentary for $20, well worth it
  14. That is a good point, but I predict that the way GRRM will get around the issue is that Bran has already traveled back in time to change the past and we are witnessing a timeline already altered by Bran. So he won't need to briefly describe how it played out, because we are witnessing it play out now. He will simply reveal what Bran changed (or at least some major event that Bran changed). I definitely like Unsound Variations better, but they are both good and both very short. You could read them back to back if you really wanted. Under Siege is also a sci-fi rewrite of a historical fiction story called The Fortress. I have not yet read the original version, but GRRM actually suggests in Dreamsongs that you read The Fortress first and then Under Siege. But obviously you can be a bad fan like me and not bother reading the original version if you just want to gain a perspective on time travel. Also, Under Siege is mostly an extremely depressing story and makes me sad.
  15. It is definitely possible that time travel in asoiaf is different from those other 2 stories. But I highly doubt it based on what he wrote in those stories. GRRM went out of his way to avoid paradoxes in both stories, and he wrote dialogue specifically addressing the issue of paradoxes in both. Basically, when a person goes back in time, they create an entire new timeline/universe that is an exact copy of the universe they came from. And then they can change stuff. Paradoxes are entirely avoided because you aren't actually altering the timeline that you came from. You are altering a completely new timeline. So for example, you could go back in time and kill your own father before you were born, and it wouldn't cause a paradox because in the original timeline/universe your father is still fine (and you were born so you could eventually go back in time). But in the new timeline/universe you will never be born because you just killed your father. If GRRM decided to go with different time travel mechanics for asoiaf, I think he would still make sure that paradoxes are avoided. But GRRM-style time travel is the only form of time travel that entirely avoids paradoxes. The whole closed/stable loop concept is neat, but it doesn't really make sense. It requires huge suspension of disbelief, because in real life nothing happens without a cause. For example, in the Terminator movies, modern computer technology was invented by a guy after he got a hold of the robotic hand of a terminator that had traveled back to his time from the future - thus directly leading to the creation of terminator robots. It's a cool plot point, but it doesn't make any sense. So while I could see GRRM wanting to do something different, I personally can't think of any other way to avoid paradoxes with time travel.