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  1. Yes, Jaime definitely broke his oath and he definitely is the worst Kingsguard ever. But the question of was he right or wrong is the very question Martin asks and I also believe answers as well through Brienne. Martin created Brienne as this character with pure ideals, sort of a perfect knight and Brienne takes Jaime's side in this issue. In the end she concedes that Jaime was right. And I agree with it as well, there are sometimes moments when morality > oaths, and the situation that Jaime found himself in was a clear cut example of such moment. --------- About the knightly vs Kingsguard vows that the discussion is currently about - the latter definitely don't cancel the former. The fact that they don't is also emphasised in Sandor's arc as well - that's the very reason he refused to become a knight when he was given a position in the Kingsguard. But the society in general is programmed that obeying your lord/king is a honourable thing to do. Loyalty is at the heart of the feudal system, so a vassal must obey their lord and a Kingsguard the King's, to the point of being loyal is more honorable than doing something morally right. Hence the Kingsguard's vows > knightly ones, even though in theory they both apply. The problem with Jaime was not even that he didn't agree with this a Kingsguard > a knight system, it's the fact that he wasn't even aware of it. This loyalty above all concept wasn't programmed into Jaime's mind because he wasn't raised to be loyal, he was raised to rule as the heir of one of the Great Houses. The same way Robert didn't care at all about Jaime's kingslaying - he too was raised to be a lord of the Great House. So did Jon Arryn, who left Jaime in the Kingsguard. Jon Arryn was known to be honour obsessed, from whom Ned got all of his obsession over honour, yet he was the one to allow Jaime continue to serve in the Kingsguard despite committing the worst crime a Kingsguard can commit, likely exactly because of this reason.
  2. I am a "white male" but my distaste for conquerors is the same, hence Aegon I loses by default for me. Though "conquest being good' is not a "white male narrative". It's a narrative of anyone who conquered.
  3. Well, Dany's storyline felt off once her dragons were stolen. After that happened, her storyline resembled a "villain of the week" plot from those long running shows. The resolution especially reeked of this, it made me lose immersion into Quarth. I also remember being excited after that black guy said he wants to conquer Westeros, and then going "huh, what was the point of it all" after he was disappointingly defeated. In Jon's storyline, Jon failing to kill Ygritte, then chasing her, then quickly getting lost, then getting captured and killing Qhorin Halfhand who was suddenly captured seemed extremely lazy to me. Like, plot demanded Jon to join the wildlings but the writers were too lazy to think through how it would happen and hence went with the easiest, quickest and laziest way to do it. In Robb's storyline I really disliked how Talisa took all the focus from his war campaign. The war basically became a background for Robb's romance with Talisa, at some point I remember being confused where they were actually fighting, against whom ( I knew they were Lannisters in general but I wanted to know more than that) and what was Robb's actual strategy.
  4. Reading the books simply removed my bias towards the show and I managed to look on season 2 more objectively. The problem with season 2 were Jon's, Dany's and Robb's storylines and I had issues with them even when I was watching season 2 for the first time, but I closed my eyes on these issues back then. Now I don't.
  5. For me definitely. I was in love with the show when I first started watching it, then after season 3 I read the books and I didn't enjoy any new seasons after that. In retrospective I still like seasons 1 and 3 but think now that season 2 was bad.
  6. Cersei was actually a Queen Regent during Joffrey's rule as well, Joffrey wasn't ruling either. She was just overshadowed by her father even though technically she was above him. And Cersei didn't think that Joffrey was mad or anything. In fact, she was extremely happy with his behaviour. If you remember that she wasn't, than you are again confusing the books with the show.
  7. You are confusing the books with the show. It is in the show where she had no formal power. In the books Cersei was the Queen Regent, the most powerful person in the 7 Kingdoms.
  8. Going Aerys level is taking it to extreme. Jaime would disobey in less extreme situations if he believes he would be on the right side. He is someone who genuinely didn't understand why everyone reviled him for killing Aerys while Robert was hailed as a hero after going to war against him and why they are different situations. He is someone who, as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, set free a convicted killer of his king. He is someone who told his Kingsguard members to disobey his Queen's orders, and that's before he broke up with her. Jaime is not fit to be a Kingsguard at all. He was not raised to serve and it shows. And I don't see how I exaggerate anything. Jaime has shown to be very loyal only to those he loves and/or respects and he has shown a complete indifference to what family holds the Iron Throne. Neither Targaryens were any special in his eyes, not Baratheons. Jaime even failed to see the importance of the Iron Throne and sat on it like on a simple chair without second thoughts after he killed Aerys.
  9. Jaime is someone who does not prioritize Kingsguard vows over others, is only loyal to those who deserve it and he does not consider a ruling family as someone special. You really don't want someone like that as your Kingsguard.
  10. I actually do believe that Westerlands would abandon Cersei and rally behind another Lannister (I personally believe it will be Jaime after all, as he will 99% leave Kingsguard at some point). She already was abandoned by her bannermen and Lannister loyalists in KL so I expect this trend to continue. But it wouldn't be a civil war if no one in Westerlands backs Cersei in this case. And I don't think there will be anyone.
  11. According to aWoIaF, Andals didn't really conquer anyone apart from the Vale and shortly Riverlands. They defeated Durrandons but failed to capture Storm's End so they've agreed to settle in Stromlands with Durrandon's being their kings. They didn't really fight the Gardeners, Gardeners knowing the danger invited Andals to live in their lands themselves, took over their religion, intermarried with Andals but remained as the Kings of the Reach. There was no King of the Dorne back then, Andals just created their Houses there where it was mostly empty (largely in the desert). Andals were actually being beaten by Lannisters over and over again until Lannisters decided not to fight them until they lose but integrate them. They gave lands to the Andals how Gardeners did but instead of taking their religion and intermarrying, they've took sons of Andal leaders as wards and hostages who grew up into the most loyal and staunchest Lannister supporters. So in the South in half of the regions the nobility and ruling elite remained First Men with Andals being their subjects. I suppose the change of religion and customs to the Andal ones happened in Stormlands and the Reach due to compromises First Men elite had to make to stay in power, while in Westerlands and the Dorne it happened due to influences of their Andalified neighbours.
  12. I am really fond of how CoK ends:
  13. Jaime is not going to give up on being better and more honourable after being punished for it because there is nothing to give up. Jaime is actually not working hard on becoming this honourable dude, Jaime is simply being Jaime, it's his natural behaviour. After killing his king, Jaime was bitter and angry for people proclaiming him as someone without honor, disbelieving his every word, expecting from him any treachery, so he closed himself to the world, completely devoted himself to Cersei, was influenced by her a lot and eventually was convinced by others that he truly doesn't have any honour. But after losing his hand Jaime looked back at his life, saw what he has become and snapped out of it, starting to actually hate himself for all he was. But even in his 'bitter' times before he lost his hand you could still see the 'good guy' Jaime, the very same Jaime we see now, just hidden under walls of cynicism. When Brienne was helplessly trying to get back to their boat with which they've escaped Riverrun, Jaime was planning to kill her with an oar and had every intention to do so, but his hands simply didn't listen and helped Brienne to get back into the boat instead. In the beginning of their journey Jaime was offending Brienne as hard as he could but the first time Brienne actually showed that she was hurt, Jaime instead of proclaiming victory, immediately melted down, apologised and tried to make up with her. Jaime has actually decided to follow the oath he gave to Cat before he lost his hand 'to see the faces of others when the Kingslayer follows his oath'. The reason for those actions is simple - that's who Jaime in reality always was, even if Jaime himself at that point was convinced that he was an asshole. Jaime didn't hit Brienne with an oar because Jaime can't kill an innocent woman like that. Jaime tried to apologize for hurting Brienne because Jaime doesn't enjoy hurting innocent people, especially those who unjustifiably suffered in their lives. Jaime decided to follow the oath he gave to Cat, even though he was drunk and at sword point when he gave it, because deep inside Jaime always cared about oaths. His "so many vows" speech, that on surface seemed to indicate that he didn't, actually implies that he cared about them a lot, because someone who doesn't care about, say, a poem will not know by heart every word in it (this speech, that I saw first in the show, was a clear indication to me that Jaime is receiving a redemption arc in the future). That's also why Jaime tried to save Brienne from rape first by lying about the Sapphire Islands and then later by shouting "sapphires" even though he was in pain and agony. Because Jaime couldn't not try to save her, he couldn't not to shout. Because not to shout would be against the very nature of Jaime. After the loss of his hand, the asshole layer of Jaime disappeared and the 'good' Jaime, the 'natural default' Jaime emerged. The Jaime who he always was when he was a child, the one he was always supposed to grow up into. The loss of his hand simply shed Jaime from all the bad influences he had received, from everything that prevented him from being a true self. And Jaime is not letting anything to influence him anymore, anything that would make Jaime something he truly doesn't want to be. That's why he refused his father (which shocked his father), that's why he stopped listening Cersei's every word (which, in turn, shocked Cersei) and this is why LSH is not going to influence him again. Been there, done that.
  14. I definitely believe that there are both heroes and villains. Yes, sometimes heroes do some bad things and sometimes villains do something good but among the major characters you still can quite clearly see who is supposed to be on a good side and who on a bad side. Jaime, whom many give as an example of "no heroes, no villains, only POV" not only is only one of the very few examples of such characters, he isn't even a good example of this.
  15. I think so, at least in Joanna's case. In another instance the times when Joanna went to KL to serve Queen Rhaella are different in the Aerys II chapter of aWoIaF and in unedited version of Westerlands chapter posted on GRRM's website. In one version she went there for Jaehaerys' coronation (and rumored to have been Aerys' lover later), in another she went there together with Tywin when he was appointed as Hand. George writing two different backstories for Joanna in two different chapters indicates to me that he really didn't put much thought about her and doesn't have her backstory set in his mind at all. This is also for me one of the biggest arguments against any A+J= theories.