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  1. RobbTheBoss, that's only confirmed in the mythical electronic visual version of the story that we are not allowed to discuss in this forum as it is for books only. It's not remotely confirmed in the books and may never be.
  2. That's fair. I was just wondering if there was a deeper point to the thread that I'd missed.
  3. They were never married. Just betrothed. Per GRRM, you have to personally request an annulment, and it can only be granted by a council of the faith (whatever that means) or the High Septon himself. Example: if Sansa wants to get her marriage to Tyrion annulled, she has to either find a way to get a council of the faith to convene nearby or go to King's Landing and ask the High Septon. What we don't know: what constitutes grounds in storyworld. Non-consummation is a no-brainer. Failure or inability to perform wifely/husbandly duties may or may not be grounds. Coercion should be grounds (vows made at swordpoint and all that). Fraud or deception maybe. We don't know if Tyrion and Tysha's marriage was actually annulled or not. Tyrion is under the impression that it was. It's possible that since both the bride and groom were underage, Tywin was able to get away with requesting the annulment for his son. It's also possible that Tywin didn't bother getting the annulment because he didn't figure Tysha would ever show up again, he wouldn't want the High Septon to know about his son marrying a peasant in a ceremony performed by a drunk septon and with pigs present, and he'd already had Jaime lie to Tyrion about the bride. Really who was going to contest any marriage he set up for Tyrion? We don't know if Daemon was required to petition the king, or if he was supposed to do that before or after petitioning the Faith. Could be he thought it would be smart to get his brother on his side, and get it in writing, in which case that massively backfired on him.
  4. 1. No. He was a kid. The kids were probably not in the room, and definitely would not have been in on the planning. 2. He probably cried again about losing his princess. 3. That wouldn't even happen. Elmar lives in the Riverlands. But I'd choose the kid who's sad about losing his princess over the psycho with the skinning fetish any day. 4. Off the top of my head, no. But it's possible. If he's actually Black Walder's son he will have Royce blood from his great-grandmother (Walder's first wife, I think). Don't know if that would bring him into play or not.
  5. Also a good point. I'm guessing the selfishness claim stems not only from the idea that Lyanna was willing (something we don't know) but also from the misconception that Rhaegar's carrying her off started the war. Though I could be wrong.
  6. No idea, but somehow I keep coming back to the thread. Maybe it's an experiment to see what people are willing to stick with regardless of not understanding it?
  7. 1) Agreed. 2) A child. 3) A mother acting on bad information on the first, and in desperation in the second. 4) A traumatized child who's been roped into a death cult. 5) Blatant assumption based on facts not in evidence. As far as we know the girl was kidnapped. Nothing in the text indicates otherwise at this point.
  8. Here's the thing... If Jon is legitimate, then he is. If Jon is a bastard, he can be legitimized. We're not going to know which he is until the author decides to tell us. So other than killing time, what is the point of the discussion?
  9. I think the best ones are 1-4, probably in that order. At the moment I think 5 is the worst. Dorne and the Iron Islands are so bad it's going to be hard to top them for lack of quality. I've never actually ranked episodes per season. Might start though. My husband mentioned rewatching from Season 1, so I could rank as we rewatch. I can tell you that my favorite each season was always the one GRRM wrote, before he stopped writing episodes. I'd be thinking "Man, that was a good episode!" then I'd check to see who wrote it and sure enough it was GRRM every time.
  10. And now I have an injured toe. Stubbed it badly this morning and bent the nail back. It's still hurting on and off.
  11. I wasn't rude, I was flippant. But you're welcome anyway.
  12. Dany reminds Barristan of Ashara because of her eyes. Dany's eyes are purple. Ashara's eyes were purple. That's the only physical similarity. Also Dany is young, and Ashara will always be young in his mind. He also feels maybe he failed Ashara and is determined not to fail Dany. He seems to have almost a father-daughter relationship with Dany, so it's natural that her eyes being the same color as the woman he loved, he might also think in terms of the family he might have had with Ashara if things had been different. Happy to help. Barbrey definitely was in love with Brandon. Don't know if Brandon was in love with her. His line about swords looking best when blooded, with its associated sexual connotations makes me think maybe he made a habit of deflowering virgins. Oberyn is a definite possibility. The both would have been in Dorne at the right time, and if she did indeed have a girl, we know Oberyn is capable of fathering one.
  13. Best comment on the thread.
  14. Think logically for a minute about the Bran situation, Jaime aside. If it was possible for Bloodraven to contact Bran without his having been unconscious, don't you think that would have happened? Bloodraven is the most powerful greenseer for hundreds of years, and has been looking for Bran for decades. If it would have been possible to reach Bran sooner, he would have. Sure it's important to establish that this isn't a nice, sweet story right at the beginning. And yes we want to make sure everyone understands off the bat that Jaime Lannister is a despicable person. But is it really necessary to break the kid's back and put him in a coma for no other reason? The fall itself could have given him amnesia, so him not remembering could easily have been covered without that. The coma would have been enough without taking his legs away permanently. So either there's a point or the author is just one sick man. We don't know Bran's role in saving the world so let's not assume anything? We know that he HAS a role. We know that it's a role no one else can fill. We know the only other person who could fill it has already lived past his own lifespan, and since he's in this series he's probably marked for death. I'm not defending Jaime's pushing Bran. I'm saying Bran may see things his own way in the future. You may have noticed that you and I are not characters in the story. What we think of Jaime has no bearing on what Bran thinks or does. The Tullys rose in rebellion and lost Riverrun. It sucks but Jaime was not "stealing" it from them. You're arguing against a reality of the setting.If you are on the losing side, you will lose things like your castles. Doesn't matter whether the king on the throne is legitimate or not. Doesn't matter if the loss was fair or not. It just is. Yes he allowed his son to claim the throne. Not doing so would have been going against his own family. No one in this series is expected to go against their own family. Even Ned technically courted a treason charge by hiding a Targaryen baby in his own home, because the kid was family. And if Ned did that for a nephew, how do you fault Jaime for not denouncing his own sons? By the way, if you're going to go on about how awful Joffrey was you should perhaps consider the author's statement that Joffrey was merely a spoiled 13 year old boy given too much power. Joffrey would have grown up at some point. Quite frankly, since the kid was under age, he shouldn't have had any power and that falls on his regent, Cersei, and his Hand, Tywin. If you have a problem with child hostages I'm afraid you'll have to turn in your middle ages time-travel card and denounce poor Ned Stark as a villain for taking Theon from Pyke. It's not a nice custom, but it's standard. If Stannis had been on the throne do you think he wouldn't have ordered his men to take hostages of the children of all the houses that sided against him? But sure, blame one guy for something everybody in his class did. The evidence if you're unwilling to consider anything else, is in sending Brienne to find Sansa and keep her safe, which may be the only disloyalty Jaime's ever shown to his family. He knows that Cersei wants Sansa dead. But he made a promise to Catelyn, and he's going to make sure it's kept. The Jaime in AGoT wouldn't have done that. He'd have forgotten the promise as soon as he made it. The Jaime in AGoT never would have told Brienne the real reason he killed Aerys II either. He's not going to become the hero, or faultless, but he's certainly less of a villain than he started out. Kevan was not setting the Riverlands ablaze, that was Clegane and his men. Gregor Clegane took his orders directly from Tywin. And again, Tywin was Kevan's own brother. Time and again in this series the importance (superficially in some cases) of family loyalty is emphasized, yet you expect characters to go against it because they supposedly know that the guy in charge is evil? Do you think Tywin routinely told Kevan about all of the real reasons for his worst plots? Of course not. He would have told Kevan what they were doing was necessary for the security of the realm and the safety of the most people, or the safety of everyone long-term. You don't get to be at Tywin's level of villainy by being an idiot who admits to being evil. Kevan is the only person who expresses shock at Joffrey's idea of giving Robb's head to Sansa. Kevan is the one who tells Cersei she has to name him regent as well if she wants him to be Hand (something Tywin never did) because she's incompetent. Kevan is the only one in the family who believes the rumors about Jaime and Cersei. Kevan refuses to add his own troops to the siege at Riverrun. Kevan is in the process of stabilizing the government when he's murdered for being too good at doing so. If not for Tywin overpowering and overshadowing him, Kevan could have been a very good leader, and a very good man as well. In spite of Tywin's influence, Kevan still is a fairly decent guy. If the worst you can say of him is that he has been loyal to his family, then he's better than 75% of the characters in the series. And if you're so set on dividing characters into black and white, then you're reading the wrong series.
  15. Let's look at the facts. He's done with Cersei. He gave a Valyrian Steel sword to Brienne to use in finding Sansa, to fulfill his promise to Catelyn. When he gave the sword to Brienne he actually said Sansa was his last chance for honor, a concept he had spent years sneering at. He's been fair in his recent dealings with people. He seems to have lost the swagger he once had. He's had to pretty much rethink his entire identity after losing his sword hand. I can see why people think in terms of a redemption arc. You made good points with your comment about a damnation arc, but you have to keep in mind that just because that's what it looks like doesn't mean that's what it is. Those on the redemption arc bandwagon also need to keep that in mind. Remember who the author is.