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  1. The sacrifice

    I suspect that she already has reforged Lightbringer, and it is three dragons, not a sword.
  2. A step back and a look at "time" in ASOIAF on the grand scale.

    Excellent. Now let's switch continents: How about the corpse city of Stygai- which probably derived from Stygian? Crows dress in black, and iirc it was Mormont who said when someone objected that a course of action might lead to their deaths "that's why they dress us in black..." Perhaps Stygai is such a portal as well? Not to mention the river that flows from there to Asshai bearing who knows what secrets and powers.
  3. A step back and a look at "time" in ASOIAF on the grand scale.

    How do you feel about: 1. This Timeless Underworld as Faerie (or fairyland) re-adapted here as something accessible through (or even maintained by) the weirnet, the flamenet, and even a hypothetical icenet? 2. Do these represent separate Underworlds because they draw on different wells of souls? 3. The Wall as some kind of portal to this Underworld? I am struck by Symeon Stareye's vision of Hellhounds fighting there.
  4. Baratheon name origin

    Do the Westerosi use the same written alphabet as the Valyrians? I suddenly realize that I don't know, but if not it could be a matter of more westerosi-friendly phonetics as a PR move by an incoming regime?
  5. Jaqen's bargain with Arya to take three lives in exchange for his own and his companions from the Black Cells is so pivotal and Jaqen such a lightening rod for tinfoil that I've hesitated to bring it up, but I've been holding some things in since I first read the scene (and because I apparently like to make things complicated, ACoK was actually the first ASoIaF that I read- no shallow end for this swimmer!) and I've decided to just start putting them out there. My original thought was this is a very interesting spin and combination of a couple of the usual fairy tale motifs- the "grumpkin" with three wishes that Arya herself imagines as well a kind of inversion of the Fairy's Hidden Identity theme in which a recipient must guess the fairy's name in order to avoid some dire consequence in the vein of Rumplestilskin and Stormy Weather (Jaqen/A Man) and other cases of misknown names like Nicht, Nocht, Nothing (who would be Arya in this variant?) and on this level I think it works wonderfully. However, there are some things I wanted to bring up. 1. Why the Red God who was cheated when the three failed to burn but the Many-Faced God wasn't cheated when they were stolen from the Ser Illyn's axe or death by neglect in the Black Cells? Presumably Jaqen swore Yorin some kind of oath or made some kind of deal even if it was less explicit that that made with Arya. Did that disappear when Yorin died? 2. Does Jaqen's mention of the Red God mean anything aside from the fact that they were going to burn to death? The Kindly man said that all the gods were faces of the MFG, so why make this distinction? Does the fact that they didn't burn have more meaning than the fact they didn't die of flux or falling off a horse and breaking a neck? 3. The Faceless Men seem to be use a code that prohibits taking the lives of people one knows personally, but in ACoK Jaqen tells Arya that if his father alive and did Arya wish it a man's sire would die. Of course, he could be lying about his father being dead or about being willing kill to him or relying on the fact that his father IS dead to render the latter proposition beyond either truth or falsehood but still... 4. The Faceless Men seem to discourage casual or arbitrary (non-contracted?) killing. Nothing could be more arbitrary that giving a 10-year old 3 magic bullets. Granted, the three deaths were also arbitrary- no one was paying them to be burnt, it wasn't an actual sacrifice to R'hlorr so what debt is being transferred to Arya? 5. So Jaqen is clearly full of baloney about why he is making this bargain with Arya. 6. Was Jaqen in the Black Cells becase: a. He was there for Ned. b. He was there for Arya. c. He was there for Yorin. d. He was there for someone else at or around the Wall and wanted to take the scenic route. e. Something I haven't thought of yet. TBH, though, since he presumably pops off for Oldtown after Harrenhall it has to be either a,b, or c I think. I don't take seriously the idea that he was there against his will. 7. It certainly seems likely that he was there for Arya and that his purpose was to make her a killer. 8. So I have to ask, is the killer known as Jaqen H'Ghar actually a Faceless Man? Something else? Or something more?
  6. A step back and a look at "time" in ASOIAF on the grand scale.

    Exactly! Glimpsing the future is to put yourself in shackles, as the Targ's have discovered to their dismay over centuries after Daenys put them under the whip-hand of prophecy. Also- while I like the idea of portals to Faerie (in essence) I also think it may be probable that the non-linear time interacted with through certain mediums arerelated the souls flowing through them rather than any intrinsic quality in the wood or the flames. Could the power Jojen says lives in wood that is the equal of fire be the souls of human, Children, and even animals which extend beyond time into eternity but are now bound into this unnatural soul cycle?
  7. I think Willas is part of a "conspiracy" of intellectuals that exist separate from and sometimes antithetical to the Citadel and comprising at least Marwyn the Mage, Rodrik the Reader, Willas, and until recently, Oberyn and that he will come forward in that role in some capacity as a force for reason. Garlan tinfoil 1: He will be playing the part of Loras- donning his armor, bot literal and figurative, and assuming the identity of his brother who really was mortally burned taking Dragonstone as he did Renly's, Garlan tinfoil 2: He is already dead or dying, and Loras is assuming his identity. As you can probably tell, I am stuck on Renly's armor and the fact that it was Loras who couldn't fit into it properly as a kind of Achilles/Patroclus symbolism in reverse morphed into ASoIaF "reality"... If I'm barking up the wrong tree, then hopefully he's already his way back to KL to make sure things don't sideways for sis.
  8. Bolton's Burnt Book: Mysterious Reading

    For fun, here is my Bolton "meditation" music, something I put on when I want to ponder Lord Leech and his House, an unpleasant song for an unpleasant man: "Words of the Dying", Controlled Bleeding
  9. Bolton's Burnt Book: Mysterious Reading

    .I like this a lot, but I'm not sure why he would burn such a book. Unless perhaps he actually had some idea of Arya's true identity and abilities (reading and skinchanging). Intriguing.
  10. Bolton's Burnt Book: Mysterious Reading

    One of the cardinal rules of reading ASoIaF is to take no one at their word, but I confess you've caught me yet again breaking it. Thanks for that. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled (ooh, poor choice of words in a Bolton thread...) during my current reread to Bolton weasel words.
  11. Is R´hllor real god in ASOIAF

    I suspect that R'hlorr is the Bloodstone Emperor, who used the Blood Sacrifice to overwrite his personality upon the magical matrix of energies that somehow replaced the world's natural tectonic and volcanic forces in order to achieve immortality and power over dragons. The Great Other, conversely, could be the one who did the same for the forces of glaciation and the cycle of Ice Ages. On the Other hand, R'hlorr and the Great Other could be a split personality.
  12. The Others on Essos?

    The Five Forts wew built to repel someone or something. It could have been Others. Or it could be that they are remnants from an earlier catastrophe cycle, perhaps one from K'Dath instead of the Land of Always Winter and Azor Ahai and company had to schlep over to Westeros for the Battle for the Dawn.
  13. If Asshai is the home of fire magic.

    I've been thinking about this some more and wanted to add a little: I'm not sure to what extant Asshai and Stygai need to be considered seperately- Asshai could be one of the "hinges of the world" that Mel mentioned, like the Wall, and not the source of anything. A hinge can be viewed as something that ultimately allows or denies passage (like the Wall) from somewhere else, part of a portal. If that is the case then Stygai could be source of Shadow magic (and the Shadowbinders argue strongly for this) and for the pact that binds dragons to people even if, as I suspect, the dragons themselves may have originated in Westeros.
  14. Bolton's Burnt Book: Mysterious Reading

    Love that book and I think it ties in with the "King in Yellow" vibe I mentioned in an earlier reply in the thread. The inclusion of a city named "Carcosa" where, iirc the Yellow Emperors held court in exile, argues strongly that this theme was on his mind, I think.
  15. Bolton's Burnt Book: Mysterious Reading

    Yep. He has a way of burying the lead, if I might filch a news term, that is both annoying and addictive. Oh yeah- I suspect that the room where they keep the cloaks made from the skins of their foes that the Stark children speculate about is very real.