Yoren Luck

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  1. Yeah the way Winterfell plots have been written, I've been wishing they (the writers) had just left it in the Bolton's hands and never bothered with it again. There hasn't been an interesting scene there in like three years. Ramsey was a stupid comic book villain...Sansa rape was unnecessary and very off-putting (she was beautiful though!)...battle of bastards was stupid from start to finish and had unbelievable hollywood-esque aspects...littlefinger had no scheming left once he got there so his character totally fizzled out...Sansa as Lady of Winterfell has been underwhelming (not in terms of acting, but in terms of them not really showing her do anything of interest, like cement their alliances, gather info on rivals, actually have a discussion about anything longer then three lines of dialogue)...bran's return was too early and all he's done is sit around until his big exposition day...arya's return was underwhelming and the best moment about it was seeing Brienne and Pod comment on it, because there was next to no dialogue between Sansa/Arya/Bran except for the littlefinger knife gifting and then a few scenes where we are supposed to think arya is mad and sansa for 'reasons'...arya and brienne 'training' was pathetic fan service and should have been totally out of character for arya and why the fuck did Brienne kick her during it?...Littlefinger's trial was forced, stupid, weak and was everything you wouldn't have expected to have occurred for that character's death if you thought about if 5 years ago...am I forgetting anything, I'm sure I am...so much worth forgetting. I think my biggest gripe with Winterfell stuff this season (biggest, not only) was simply that all of the scenes felt like they should have unfolded within two days, yet they were drawn out over 7 episodes which amounted to i guess weeks or months for other characters (who f'ing knows anymore really)...Even if you buy the bullshit that Bran couldn't just spill all the important info right away, are we really supposed to believe that Arya and Sansa only talked to each other like 3 times in (lets say) four weeks of actual time lapse? Because that's what it felt like as a viewer. It certainly didn't feel like they were having dialogue off screen, since the two scenes we saw them both together (in their respective rooms) felt like they had occurred without any additional communication between them. Anyway, back to Euron...I haven't read those leaks but I may. Waiting around for this turd of a show to finish so I know the end game seems pointless, since the remaining 6 episodes are just going to be underwhelming anyway. If they make Euron some savior though, after only giving him like 5 minutes of screen time and developing his character no further than a one dimensional horny pirate i'm gonna laugh. I'm actually kind of rooting for him to take the Golden Company and Ironborn and conquer all of Westeros, and find some dragon living at Storms End that breaths obsidian and valyrian steel daggers to murder every army there is so he can sit on the throne and enjoy the shoehorned character that was promised
  2. Yep, D&D really put the 'low brow' in high fantasy. They don't know how to write anything besides immature bullshit. Did you know a million people live in Kings Landing because the brothels are better? That's some top notch world building right there. And that exchange between Bronn and Jaime atop the walls of Kings Landing? It's all about the cocks in the end? Bravo! Emmys all around. Oh and don't forget Sandor 'Cunt' Clegane can't say four Cunt words without dropping a Cunt in for good Cunt measure because saying Cunt is edgy and Cunt. These are supposed to be important scenes. Why are they written by 15 year olds?
  3. I responded to this yesterday with a joke about how that should tell you the leaks are fake, since the Stormlands haven't been mentioned in the show in ages...but now that I've had some time to think about it, it would not surprise me if D&D drum up some extra conflict to draw out next season by having Euron back stab Cersei. Think about it - he goes and gets the Golden Company, and between them and his own men has probably enough of a force to take half of Westeros pretty quickly. I could easily see D&D doing this, when them landing in the Stormlands and taking the Reach and possibly even the Throne. Lots of options for shoehorning in more conflict if they want, and it would be the type of 'twist' to the story they are capable of writing (meaning a GRRM plotline they have taken from other characters not in the show, and butchered it to force it into Euron's arc)
  4. When Jon and Tyrion were talking on the boat ride into Kings Landing, could they please have had Tyrion say the population was half a million, not a million. That number is ridiculous unless they mean the entire crownlands, and even then seems way high. Also, when Jon then responds about why so many people would live there, could they please have had Tyrion not mention brothels ffs. Say its because there are more jobs (that's a fair point) and then have hims say a quip about how "the weather is better than in the North - it hardly ever snows in Kings Landing" That way, when Jaime is leaving near the end of the episode and the snow begins to fall, it creates a nice set-up/parallel. This shit is not hard to write. Why do they fail so hard and have to include brothels and cocks all the time rather than a nice tidbit that sets up the fact that the winter that is approaching is going to be uncommonly harsh and long.
  5. Agreed, and well said. I wonder what he meant when he told the Mountain what is coming for him. Does he mean the death is coming for him, and always has been?
  6. That along should tell you the leaks are fake. No way in hell D&D remember what the Stormlands are. LOL I didn't put two and two together when watching but good catch. Probably should have had way fewer people in that scene anyway so I was actually kinda glad when Bronn and Pod left. Because the plot demands it
  7. Yeah it appears there was no plan to get across the wall sans necro-dragon. Which makes the wight hunt scene not only perhaps the most contrived scene in the history of the show, but maybe the most consequential contrived scene in the history of tv. Bronn could have just shipped those 1,000 barrels of pitch to Eastwatch and Tormund could've dumped 'em on the dead army as they gathered at the base of the wall, unable to go any further. Pick off the rest of them with obsidian tipped arrows and presto, it's springtime for "Aegon" & Co.
  8. This seems like the most likely scenario if they do a plot line with Cersei betraying a truce by sending Euron's forces somewhere as Dany/Jon/etc are off fighting the undead. I like it actually, because it would create kind of a 'war on two fronts' situation for them Does the Night King have any range with his ability to raise the dead? Because if he does, and presuming he gets beyond the wall...I'd like to see Euron and his reavers wipe out all of White Harbor, killing every last one for the message it sends. Then, the Night King raises them remotely, and the dead in turn kill Euron and all of his forces. Now Dany and Jon are faced with having a massive dead army to the north and to the south and can only really escape by holing up at Winterfell.
  9. I could have sworn that Jaime said something recently about there being 100,000 'Dothraki screamers' or something along those lines, and was pretty certain that Dany had 100,000 of them in tow when she left Essos. I could be wrong though, or mixing numbers from the book with numbers from the show. Also I thought there were 10,000 Unsullied, not 8,000. You are probably right that it is 8,000...but doesn't that make it even more unrealistic that Dany would send them to take Casterly Rock, where it is known (by Tyrion) that there was 10,000 Lannister soldiers stationed there. Even given the fact that there was a secret entrance they could use to get the gates to the castle open without having to storm the walls, that is still a bad ratio of soldiers (less than 1 to 1, with the advantage to the Lannisters). Obviously it was a moot point since Jaime had most of that army leave Casterly Rock, but Dany and Tyrion did not know this, so in retrospect if the Unsullied were just 8,000 in number, sending them to sack a castle garrisoned by 10,000 seems like suicide. Jon and Davos talk about the numbers of how many men they have, and it is stated in the show that is less than 10,000...I am guessing that is wildlings and Northern houses, so your numbers for them may be correct. The Knights of the Vale are probably considerably less than 10,000 following the Battle of the Bastards, but who knows at this point. I had factored their number into my overall estimates for the North when I got 120,000, but maybe their force is more intact than I thought. So in summary, 100,000 Dothraki plus 10,000 Unsullied plus the 10,000 northmen Jon and Davos mention = 120,000. That is where I got those numbers. If the number of Dothraki was only 40,000 from the beginning, but there are still about 10,000 Vale knights, then Dany should have something like 60,000. Likely more lie 50,000 given casualties in recent battles. Euron probably has 20,000 to 30,000 reavers based on an estimate that he has 1,000 ships, and each ship is probably manned by 20 to 30. I have no basis for that number though, it is just a guess considering I can't imagine there being a larger number of men per ship (The Iron Islands are not that big and their total population military force is only listed as 15,000 in the Atlas of Ice and Fire [see link]) https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/the-population-of-the-seven-kingdoms/ Going by the atlas population numbers, Euron really should only have about 3,000 - 5,000 reavers total, but that would make it a crew of 3 to 5 men per ship which is ridiculous. (Edit: I am basing this off the fact that Yara had already absconded with their best ships and men after the king's moot, and they had already had casualties in the preceding wars) Or am I mistaking their number and Euron only has 100 ships? That would be way more believable in the context of the story, even if you want to give the showrunners some leeway and say the population of the Iron Islands is something like 150,000 instead of 15,000. Cersei probably only has a few thousand Lannister soldiers left, most of them garrisoned at Kings landing with some of them serving as Gold Cloaks. A smaller figure is probably holding the major castles in the Riverlands. I really wish the show had made more of an effort over the past episode or two to provide the viewers with this information, as well as a summary of the statuses of the great houses and what kind of forces are still kicking around in the Riverlands and garrisoned at Kings Landing. Hopefully we get some of this info in the big council in the season finale. I feel like the reason they are obscuring this info is because it no longer makes sense in terms of consistency with the story. edited to make more sense of Iron Islands statistics
  10. I've been wondering this myself. Lord Okra is like the only one defending this scene on this thread, and is so steadfast in that defense that their conviction seems fake in the wake of the 40+ pages of criticisms (large and small) As a debate thread, this thing is going nowhere because the majority of posters are in agreement that the scene was ridiculous, and the small but vocal minority that are not in agreement but still posting in this thread are not bending an inch despite many, many good points being raised by the majority. Honestly it feels like this thread has reached the 'agree to disagree' point. the plot that drove the scene was contrived, the scene had to used several contrived elements for it to be successful, and most viewers recognize that. the ones that don't are never going to, so as a debate thread this thing is dead in the water
  11. Yeah this felt odd to me too, like she had just cast a spell on him or something haha. Funny then how Davos' first words after Gendry reaches that wall are "Get the Maester". Not that it matters, I just assumed Eastwatch has someone there who can manage the ravens and Davos just used the word Maester because it is easier in-story to say that than a more lengthy explanation. But it is still a relevant point - did Eastwatch have any ravens. If so, why didn't they bring their raven keeper person along on the journey. That is after all how Samwell found himself north of the wall for the Fist of the First Men. He was no maester, just working as an assistant to kept the birds
  12. NO IT IS NOT! You are still misinterpreting the usage of the work 'introduce' despite my having explained that this does not mean 'newness' to the story. It stems from the literal definition and original usage of the term, where the character/prop was 'introduced' into the scene from above via a crane or other mechanism rather than being introduced from stage left or stage right. 'Introduced' in this sense meaning how the character/prop was physically brought onto the stage. It does not mean this was an 'introduction' of a new and unexpected character to the audience. It can be a character that is entirely new to the play, such as a god that comes down seemingly out of nowhere to fix something, but it does not have to be. It just has to be a character that is not previously involved in or previously discussed in the scene or in any preceding scenes that led to the unexpected resolution. A deus ex machina does not require the introduction of an entirely new character to the story. It refers to the mechanism that is used to introduce a character into a scene. A character that already exists in the story can still be 'introduced' into a scene where their involvement is entirely unexpected, in order to resolve a situation that appears to be unable to be resolved. You need to understand that the work references how the character is brought into the scene, now that the character is new to the story. Gandalf's eagle rescue of Frodo at the end of LOTR is a classic deus ex machina, yet we know these eagles exist in this universe, both from the Hobbit and from references/scenese in earlier books of the LOTR trilogy. The most blatant examples I can remember are that the eagles save Gandalf from the tower at Isengard, and transport him to Rohan. The head eagle also saves Gandalf from the mountain where he basically died fighting the Balrog. These eagles are then used to save Frodo and Sam. This was the last of several times they are referenced or used as a plot device in the overall story, but is still a classic deus ex machina because it was an unexpected resolution to that scene. The eagles had not been previously discussed as a possible exit strategy by Frodo and Sam, we did not see Gandalf preparing to have them used in such a way, and we did not seem them anywhere near Mount Doom in any preceding scene that might allude to the fact that they were ready to help. The were 'introduced' into this scene to resolve an unsolvable issue as a dramatic and unexpected solution - a deus ex machina.
  13. This is what I am hoping for too...but then I am also hoping they just end Cersei's reign this week and have it all be over with so who am I kidding. In reality, the GC is 10,000 strong. They basically will just replace the army she lost from the Loot Train battle and Casterly Rock assault. It shouldn't tip the scales in any meaningful way at the moment. The combined North/Vale/Wildling/Unsullied/Dothraki is about 125,000 strong, minus whatever losses the Unsullied and Dothraki sustained earlier this season. Even assuming Euron has 1,000 ships, with 30 reavers per ship, Cersei's total force is only 40,000 with the GC, or 1/3 the total strength of Dany's. Plus of course, Dany has two dragons, which is like having nukes. What the show will probably do is have Cersei agree to a temporary truce. Cersei wil get the GC and Euron's forces together on Westeros and just patiently wait until all of the Dany/Jon forces are far north and getting crushed by the Night King. Let the dead army do her work for her, so to speak. Eventually, I think valor and duty will overcome Jaime and he will see that there is no victory for the Lannisters either way, and if the Night King crushes the north/Dany forces, it is exponentially more men to have to stave off when they ultimately head towards Kings Landing. For this reason, I think Jaime ultimately will have to kill Cersei and take the remaining Lannister forces and Golden Company north to join the fight. This will be his redemption. I have no idea what Euron will do, but I'm guessing the continuation of Yara and Theon in the story means one of them will eventually overtake him and take over the Ironborn to join the fight also. It is going to be incredibly stupid if the Dany/Jon forces defeat the Night King only to have to then head south and face what will by then likely be superior numbers controlled by Cersei if she does not join the fight and none of that stuff above happens. The final resolution of this story should be the actions to defeat the main antagonist, which IMO is the Night King, but I am worried the show (and possibly GRRM) see that as Cersei.
  14. I said this earlier, so I will respond. Samwell told the maesters that the realm respects their opinion, and if they said this was an issue, people would listen and act accordingly. The maesters responded by saying it could be a plot to undermine Cersei, and that they needed more proof. That is why the told Sam they would write again to Winterfell for clarification...to see if this was some sort of mistake or overreaction or if they could read more into the situation and see if it is all some ploy. Bringing a wight to the Citadel and telling the head Maesters there is 100,000+ more north of the wall, they are nearly impossible to kill, and they are coming this way would go a long way towards giving them that clarification.