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  1. I wish he would've covered more about Aegon's progresses with Aenys tagging along. In TWOIAF, it briefly mentioned that Aegon's last progress in 33AC was in Winterfell. I kinda hoped that GRRM would've covered it further, especially how Aenys interacted with or thoughts regarding the Starks and the North in general.
  2. If we are to believe the theory that Jon will be King Aegon VII... Then I like how this is truly GRRM's answer to JRRT's Aragorn... Make sure that it is the real Strider. There are many strange men on the roads. His true name is Aragorn. All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king. -[The Song of Aragorn in Gandalf's letter to Frodo.]- There was a long silence. At last Frodo spoke with hesitation. ‘I believed that you were a friend before the letter came,’ he said, ‘or at least I wished to. You have frightened me several times tonight, but never in the way that servants of the Enemy would, or so I imagine. I think one of his spies would – well, seem fairer and feel fouler, if you understand.’ ‘I see,’ laughed Strider. ‘I look foul and feel fair. Is that it? All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost.’ ‘Did the verses apply to you then?’ asked Frodo. ‘I could not make out what they were about. But how did you know that they were in Gandalf ’s letter, if you have never seen it?’ ‘I did not know,’ he answered. ‘But I am Aragorn, and those verses go with that name.’ - The Fellowship of The Ring. ---- “Aegon,” he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. “What better name for a king?” “Will you make a song for him?” the woman asked. “He has a song,” the man replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.” When Gilly entered, she went at once to her knees. Jon came around the table and drew her to her feet. “You don’t need to take a knee for me. That’s just for kings.” ... Gilly lowered her hand. An inch. Another. When the flame icked her flesh, she snatched her hand back and began to sob. “Fire is a cruel way to die. Dalla died to give this child life, but you have nourished him, cherished him. You saved your own boy from the ice. Now save hers from the fire.”
  3. We can agree to disagree regarding the mechanics of how GRRM will go about the payoff of the foreshadowing. I'll argue that when Clydas took the lid off and the bird flew around the hall and landed at the table near Jon (due to his familiarity with Jon), I contend that it was not being skinchanged. It was after the raven landed and then it was skinchanged. The raven landed on the table nearest Jon. “Snow,” it cawed. It was an old bird, dirty and bedraggled. “Snow,” it said again, “Snow, snow, snow.” It walked to the end of the table, spread its wings again, and flew to Jon’s shoulder. Now, I believe GRRM will reverse this. The skinchanging of the dragon will occur when it will flies in circles and then land near Jon. The familiarity aspect will not be a skinchanging moment. It will be at this moment Branraven will let go and allow the dragon to smell and feel Jon's blood, thus allow the dragon-human bond and the moment for Jon to mount its shoulders.
  4. Just as Bloodraven skinchanged the raven to influence and help Jon get elected to be the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch... likewise, it will be Branraven that will skinchanged a black winged dragon in the Great Council to come. Just as the black winged raven landed next to Jon and then flew to Jon's shoulder, prompting the brothers to elect him... likewise, a black winged dragon will land near Jon and it will be Jon who will mount its shoulder in front of all the lords of Westeros to see, prompting them to elect him as the next King of Westeros.
  5. Well, personally, coming from a medical background, it doesn't make sense at all. If we go by science, the winter atmosphere is what gives sperm its viability and motility. http://www.medicaldaily.com/sperm-production-highest-winter-healthy-men-244597 https://voices.nationalgeographic.org/2013/03/19/sperm-works-best-in-the-winter/ Dany was in regular sexual activity with Daario, but GRRM gave us an explanation, that she can't have children, supposedly. However, he didn't do this with Jon. Why? Therefore, I conclude that GRRM is going by the narrative theme here, that Jon shouldn't sire a bastard--story wise--until he is fit to have one that is trueborn; which I strongly suspect from early on will be born of Dany's womb.
  6. Which is why Rhaegar married her, thus Jon is trueborn. And does it frustrate you that GRRM didn't allow Ygritte to be with child, especially the amount of time Jon spilled his seed in her? Or do we assume Jon was able to control himself and was able to pull out every time? Narrative theme. Jon is sterile until GRRM deems him fit to sire a trueborn, like his Father.
  7. He will be crowned Aegon VI in the story. However, I don't believe he is the real son of Rhaegar and Elia.
  8. Jon wondered just as his Father did... Ygritte was much in his thoughts as well. He remembered the smell of her hair, the warmth of her body … and the look on her face as she slit the old man’s throat. You were wrong to love her, a voice whispered. You were wrong to leave her, a different voice insisted. He wondered if his father had been torn the same way, when he’d left Jon’s mother to return to Lady Catelyn. He was pledged to Lady Stark, and I am pledged to the Night’s Watch. Rhaegar pledged himself to Lyanna Stark in front of the old gods just as Jon pledged himself to the NW. The Crown Prince remembered the smell of Lyanna's hair and the warmth of her body, the conflicting thought that he was wrong to have loved her and he was wrong to have left her back at the tower of joy.
  9. But in that instant, as he twisted, the opening was there. Jon planted and pivoted. The ranger was leaning away, and for an instant it seemed that Jon's slash had not touched him. Then a string of red tears appeared across the big man's throat, bright as a ruby necklace, and the blood gushed out of him, and Qhorin Halfhand fell. GRRM established that rubies can be seen, represent or symbolized as blood. "Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince..." - ACOK Dany, HoTU vision "Six have been found. We are all waiting for the seventh.” - AFFC Brienne Rubies here represent Rhaegar's royal blood. Westeros have crowned five Aegons and "we are all waiting for the seventh." In order for a seventh to appear, there has to be a sixth (fAegon). That's why a lot of R+L= legitimate Jon fans believe Jon might very well be that seventh king named Aegon. Now, to his companions, he will still be Jon. Could Rhaegar's ruby plated armor be smashed into more than seven? of course. However, do not dismiss GRRM's intent (for a purpose later to be revealed) in why and how he worded it the way he did.
  10. “I am pleased to hear it, my lord. Some of your sister’s hirelings are mine as well, unbeknownst to her. I should hate to think they had grown so sloppy as to be seen.” ... ...but I find it best to err on the side of caution.” “How is it a brothel happens to have a secret entrance?” “The tunnel was dug for another King’s Hand, whose honor would not allow him to enter such a house openly. Chataya has closely guarded the knowledge of its existence.” “And yet you knew of it.” “Little birds fly through many a dark tunnel. Careful, the steps are steep.” ... Tyrion adjusted the heavy cloak and paced restlessly. “You missed a lively council. Stannis has crowned himself, it seems.” “I know.” “He accuses my brother and sister of incest. I wonder how he came by that suspicion.” “Perhaps he read a book and looked at the color of a bastard’s hair, as Ned Stark did, and Jon Arryn before him. Or perhaps someone whispered it in his ear.” The eunuch’s laugh was not his usual giggle, but deeper and more throaty. “Someone like you, perchance?” “Am I suspected? It was not me.” “If it had been, would you admit it?” “No. But why should I betray a secret I have kept so long? It is one thing to deceive a king, and quite another to hide from the cricket in the rushes and the little bird in the chimney. Besides, the bastards were there for all to see.” “Robert’s bastards? What of them?” “He fathered eight, to the best of my knowing,” Varys said as he wrestled with the saddle. “Their mothers were copper and honey, chestnut and butter, yet the babes were all black as ravens … and as ill-omened, it would seem. So when Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen slid out between your sister’s thighs, each as golden as the sun, the truth was not hard to glimpse.” Tyrion shook his head. If she had borne only one child for her husband, it would have been enough to disarm suspicion … but then she would not have been Cersei. “If you were not this whisperer, who was?” “Some traitor, doubtless.” Varys tightened the cinch. “Littlefinger?” “I named no name.”
  11. Awesome! Whenever you wanna share the explanation of your better idea, don't hesitate to share it with us. Methodically dissecting alternatives to the R+L=J theory, is what we like to do too. Cheers~
  12. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jeyne_Westerling
  13. The election was also influenced by the raven landing next to Jon on the table and then flew to his shoulder. This is a foreshadowing when Jon will be crowned king by the Great Lords of Westeros in the Great Council. Drogon, Cannibal, or another dragon that will represent the "black winged" creature that GRRM cleverly attributed in the story (describing ravens with black wings and dragons being horses with wings). It will be this black winged creature that will land next to Jon, and in that moment, Jon will mount the dragon's shoulders, prompting the lords to elect him to be their king and protector of the realm.
  14. uhhh....
  15. R+L=J!!!!!!