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  1. I think Aerys married Rhaegar to the Martells to avoid having his son becoming stronger then he is. Dorne is a bit like the North. Their army is beatable but really don't want to piss them off enough for them to rebel. My list of 1 sided marriages a- Tywin and Joanna b- Aerys and Rhaella c- Stannis and Selyse d- Doran and Mellario e- Rickard and Marna
  2. I think that Tywin’s concerns were a- The Lannisters were of a higher nobility standing then the Freys. The former were wardens of the west with a standing army who could easily invade the Riverlands. The latter weren’t even LPs of the Riverlands b- The Freys were great soldiers (ex the Tarlys), they weren’t great at sea (Ex Redywnes) and they barely had a claim for anything. They only exceled in one thing ie wealth. The Lannisters were far richer than them c- The twins held no military significance for the Lannisters whatsoever. Tywin was never going to send armies that far north. Ironically he did need the Freys at one point and…. That leads us to D d- Walder wasn’t a reliable person. Till then he had done nothing devious enough to justify contempt, however his ‘obsession’ to the gentle sex made it very difficult for the Freys to keep up to their promise. For example what would happen if House Royce fought against House Swann? Will Walder side to his first wife’s family or would he side to the second wife’s family? What happens if Walder’s daughter ended up marrying into a powerful rival family to that of the Lannisters? (ex the Starks). Can Tywin rely on him? e- Walder proposed a marriage between Genna and his second son. Emmon would never inherit the twins. Which leads us to F f- There were simply too many Freys around. Sure the old man loved them all. However once Walder kicks the bucket than his successor will surely want to clear his house and stop feeding so many mouths, one way or another. Maybe that’s the reason why Tywin allowed his sister to remain safely in CR. Regarding your second comment. I think Tywin think that law apply to everybody apart from him. He does what he pleases
  3. I disagree. The lioness was quite a catch especially at a time when there were barely any noble women (of her stature) available. Tytos could have easily married Genna to Lord Tully. Instead Tytos married her to a Frey (and a second born) What fascinates me though is Tywin hypocrisy. His cousin Joanna was way below his ranking and she brought nothing to the table apart from her beauty.
  4. Aerys was mad but he wasn’t naïve. He knew that Rhaegar was about to make his move. That is why he personally attended to the tourney of Harrenhal, thwarting the crown prince plans for a possible coup d’etat. He also made sure that Elia and her children remained in KL under his direct control. There’s no way Dorne would have marched alongside Rhaegar if they believed their princess life was at stake. No one can deny that Aerys suffered from Paranoia. However, this paranoia seems to vanish in thin wind when the Lannisters are concerned. Aerys threatened Dorne with Elia which forced them to go to war. Strangely enough, he refused to do the same with Jamie that despite him being far important for his own father then Elia was for the Martells. If Elia died, then the Martells would have survived. If Jamie died, then Tywin’s sole heir would have become the imp, a person the old lion hated. Such inconsistency is not an exception but the rule. Jamie was allowed to stay extremely close to the king despite the latter suffering from a phobia for blades. Towards the end of the war, Aerys opened KL’s gate to Tywin, that despite the fact that Robert had won the war and the lion have stayed neutral throughout the entire campaign. Why would a man which such paranioa act that way? Let’s have a second look at the war of the trident. During that war, Rhaegar’s loyalists crushed with Robert’s rebels in a battle that was pretty even. The former had a slight numeric advantage while the latter were war veterans. However there is some things that intrigues me in that particular battle a- Aerys wasn’t at the Trident. Some might suggest that it was due to his fear for blades which is fair enough. However, that doesn’t justify his presence at Harrenhal despite accusations of him being surrounded among enemies same as the battle of the trident b- The Targ loyalist army at the Trident relied heavily on Rhaegar’s men. A third of that army were Dornishmen + there was a heavy presence of troops who participated in the battle of the bells (Connington’s men). The rest were made up by Crownlands men and soldiers from the Reach. Having said that Mace, Randyll and co seemed to have stirred away from that massacre, which suggests that the army was centred around Rhaegar and his own men. If they were defeated then so would their rebellion. c- It was too easy for the 6ft+ battle hardened monster and his warhammer to find Rhaegar in battlefield. That is strange considering that unlike the rebel army (who relied on 3 heads ie Ned, Robert and Jon) the Targ army relied heavily on the crown prince. Considering that Rhaegar was hardly an expert swordfighter you would think that the royalists would keep Rhaegar as far from the battlefield as possible. But that wasn’t the case d- How convenient that battle was from Aerys perspective if both players annihilated each other. Most Dornishmen army was wiped out, Lewin died too and so did Rhaegar. Meanwhile the bulk of Reach army (ie no connections to Rhaegar) was making bbqs at the Stormlands and princess obsessed Tywin was sitting comfortable at CR. Cersei would have been a great queen for the new crown prince Viserys wouldn’t she? So here is what I think happened. Aerys was well aware that Rhaegar was a turncoat. He offered the lion a potential marriage between Cersei and Viserys in exchange for his commitment in wiping out the victor once the dust settled. Unfortunately both players miscalculated Robert’s charisma in turning former enemies into friends in a blink of an eye. Before the old lion could complete his plan, Robert had already persuaded Rhaegar’s army to bend the knee boosting his army enough to go toe to toe against the lions. That forced Tywin to quickly change his plans, march to KL and remove every shred of evidence of a possible deal between him and the doomed king. If Robert died then his charisma would have died with him. The lion (aided by the Freys) would surprise both the heavily wounded rebels and Rhaegar's loyalists, wiping them away completely. Tywin would then march to KL triumphantly in the same way he did at the battle of blackwater's bay and in few months time, his daughter would marry the new crown prince Viserys. Elia and co would be kept as hostages to keep Dorne in line.
  5. Its very difficult to know what happened between Rhaegar and Lyanna. What we can do, is to use scraps of information provided to us by the author and infer educated guesses. So lets start from the Rhaegar’s perspective We know that Egg Targeryan (ie Rhaegar’s ancestor) grew obsessed about dragons after failing to push the reforms he needed. His attempt to resurrect dragons costed him his life and that occurred when Rhaegar was already born. We also know from Arstan that Rhaegar changed his lifestyle from that of a bookworm to that of a warrior after reading some scrolls. From correspondence between him and Aemon, we know that Rhaegar thought that the prince to come was Aegon. However, Aemon suggested that the dragon must have 3 heads, which suggest that Rhaegar was also interested in raising dragons too. The Tourney of Harrenhal is also a curious subject worth to delve deep. The prizes splashed in that tournament were way beyond to what the Lord of Harrenhal could or would afford. That strengthens the Spider’s theory that Rhaegar was going to use that tourney to find enough supporters to oust the king. So let’s turn to Lyanna for a sec We know from Ned that Lyanna was fiercely independent and she wasn’t exactly thrilled of marrying Robert Baratheon. Lyanna was also set to become one of the most powerful Ladies in Westeros. She was Rickard Stark’s daughter, Edmure Tully’s future sister in law and Robert’s future wife. Rhaegar seem to have had nothing to fear from Robert. Sure the stag might have loved her but he certainly didn’t seem too pissed off when Rhaegar crowned her Lady of beauty + the Baratheons owed the Targs everything. Robert’s parents died serving the king. He was partially right. Robert didn’t barged into KL to demand justice, something he had every right to do as King’s cousin and as LP. Now what are my deductions out of that all. a- The Targs were aware that their power was slipping. Egg failed to implement all his reforms and Rhaegar’s own dad was taken hostage in Duskendale. b- Similarly to his own ancestor, Rhaegar seemed interested to raise dragons + fulfil the prophecy. Unfortunately Aemon made him aware that the dragons have 3 heads ie it needs 3 children. c- Rhaegar was increasingly getting frustrated by his daddy. That’s fair enough. People were getting burned for the slightest of reasons, his mother was suffering abuse and his own children were being insulted by the mad king. d- At Harrenhal he met Lyanna who was also not happy in the way her daddy treated her. They did share common goals. Lyanna had the support of the Starks (and possibly the Tullys) army. She was beautiful and considering that the Starks breed children like rabbits everything suggested that she’s fertile (ie 3rd dragon head). Rhaegar on the other hand was charming (enough for Cersei to exchange Jamie for him) and he was Robert’s senior (ie crown prince). Surely the stag wouldn’t risk rebellion and kinslaying for a girl (now damaged goods) he barely even met. Which suggests that R+L were either naïve or too young to comprehend how crazy their plans were. They had no idea how politics works and they had little idea about how many loose cannons (Aerys, Brandon, Robert) they were surrounded with. TBF their silly plan might have worked if only Brandon didn’t stupidly barged in KL demanding Rhaegar’s head (which kickstarting Aerys murderous frenzy). The Starks weren't the Brackens and Aerys was set to flip if challenged. Rhaegar simply lacked the knowledge or the maturity to acknowledge that.
  6. Rickard would of course be pissed off. However, what could he possibly do at that point? His daughter was now damaged goods. Also prior to Aerys going full killer machine giving Arryn no choice but to rebel, the kingdom was still pretty loyal to him. Even Robert refrained to go against his own cousin up until his own cousin demanded his head on a plate. Lyanna’s kidnap was a diplomatic mess which Brandon made it simple to sort when he barged in KL demanding Rhaegar’s head. Aerys could have simply taken Brandon hostage, ask Rickard to come to KL and settle a deal in exchange for a pardon for his son. Instead he fudged it big time by killing Rickard + Brandon and ordering Arryn to do the same with Ned and Robert. That’s totally unrelated to the quote you quoted. So let’s use similar terms. If Rhaegar dared kidnapping Lyanna while she was in Winterfell then he would have lost his head long before daddy could come to the rescue. I don’t think Rhaegar had the right to kidnap anyone. However, there’s a good way and a bad way in doing things. Allowing adults/Wardens/Kings to settle scores in a sobre and diplomatic fashion is the good way. Having this Lord’s son with no lands of his own barging in KL and treating Rhaegar like some average dude who scratched his car is not. Rhaegar is the crown prince and the crown prince can only be judged by the king himself. And no, the Starks aren’t kings of anything. They are administrators of the North and the King has every right to take that honour and handle it to someone else (as Joffrey did with Roose and LF) There’s plenty of indications that show that Rhaegar grew obsessed about such prophecy. GRRM has a weird way of portraying prophecy. In an earlier work (the Armageddon Rag), the protagonist was given a ‘prophecy of doom’ but which doom was only averted by the protagonist inaction (ie refusing to kill the possessed singer). He plays the same game with Cersei’s prophecy were inaction (ie be a dutiful wife for Robert) would have probably avoided her ruin. I think that Rhaegar became victim of the very prophecy he tried to avoid at all cost. First of all, I am not mistaking, in my mind or the text, Robert and Brandon. Secondly, I don't think I ever claimed that Robert was a bad king. I agree that Robert was smart in a diplomatic type of way, and he did show mercy to attempt to heal the land after the civil war. I think he was average. However, he did drink too much, which caused him to make some poor decisions, left a lot of decisions up to his small council and it seems he ran through a huge amount of gold in the treasury that the Targaryen's had apparently left quite full of gold. I think that the Robert of the start of our story is a different man, in many respects, as the man who was just crowned king 14 years before. I am sure the weight of that crown was heavy on his head, and he himself told Ned that the Iron Throne (both the chair and the power) was not a comfortable seat.
  7. Rickard would of course be pissed off. However, what could he possibly do at that point? His daughter was now damaged goods. Also prior to Aerys going full killer machine giving Arryn no choice but to rebel, the kingdom was still pretty loyal to him. Even Robert refrained to go against his own cousin up until his own cousin demanded his head on a plate. Lyanna’s kidnap was a diplomatic mess which Brandon made it simple to sort when he barged in KL demanding Rhaegar’s head. Aerys could have simply taken Brandon hostage, ask Rickard to come to KL and settle a deal in exchange for a pardon for his son. Instead he fudged it big time by killing Rickard + Brandon and ordering Arryn to do the same with Ned and Robert. That’s totally unrelated to the quote you quoted. So let’s use similar terms. If Rhaegar dared kidnapping Lyanna while she was in Winterfell then he would have lost his head long before daddy could come to the rescue. I don’t think Rhaegar had the right to kidnap anyone. However, there’s a good way and a bad way in doing things. Allowing adults/Wardens/Kings to settle scores in a sobre and diplomatic fashion is the good way. Having this Lord’s son with no lands of his own barging in KL and treating Rhaegar like some average dude who scratched his car is not. Rhaegar is the crown prince and the crown prince can only be judged by the king himself. And no, the Starks aren’t kings of anything. They are administrators of the North and the King has every right to take that honour and handle it to someone else (as Joffrey did with Roose and LF) There’s plenty of indications that show that Rhaegar grew obsessed about such prophecy. GRRM has a weird way of portraying prophecy. In an earlier work (the Armageddon Rag), the protagonist was given a ‘prophecy of doom’ but which doom was only averted by the protagonist inaction (ie refusing to kill the possessed singer). He plays the same game with Cersei’s prophecy were inaction (ie be a dutiful wife for Robert) would have probably avoided her ruin. I think that Rhaegar became victim of the very prophecy he tried to avoid at all cost. First of all, I am not mistaking, in my mind or the text, Robert and Brandon. Secondly, I don't think I ever claimed that Robert was a bad king. I agree that Robert was smart in a diplomatic type of way, and he did show mercy to attempt to heal the land after the civil war. I think he was average. However, he did drink too much, which caused him to make some poor decisions, left a lot of decisions up to his small council and it seems he ran through a huge amount of gold in the treasury that the Targaryen's had apparently left quite full of gold. I think that the Robert of the start of our story is a different man, in many respects, as the man who was just crowned king 14 years before. I am sure the weight of that crown was heavy on his head, and he himself told Ned that the Iron Throne (both the chair and the power) was not a comfortable seat.
  8. Rickard would of course be pissed off. However, what could he possibly do at that point? His daughter was now damaged goods. Also prior to Aerys going full killer machine giving Arryn no choice but to rebel, the kingdom was still pretty loyal to him. Even Robert refrained to go against his own cousin up until his own cousin demanded his head on a plate. Lyanna’s kidnap was a diplomatic mess which Brandon made it simple to sort when he barged in KL demanding Rhaegar’s head. Aerys could have simply taken Brandon hostage, ask Rickard to come to KL and settle a deal in exchange for a pardon for his son. Instead he fudged it big time by killing Rickard + Brandon and ordering Arryn to do the same with Ned and Robert. That’s totally unrelated to the quote you quoted. So let’s use similar terms. If Rhaegar dared kidnapping Lyanna while she was in Winterfell then he would have lost his head long before daddy could come to the rescue. I don’t think Rhaegar had the right to kidnap anyone. However, there’s a good way and a bad way in doing things. Allowing adults/Wardens/Kings to settle scores in a sobre and diplomatic fashion is the good way. Having this Lord’s son with no lands of his own barging in KL and treating Rhaegar like some average dude who scratched his car is not. Rhaegar is the crown prince and the crown prince can only be judged by the king himself. And no, the Starks aren’t kings of anything. They are administrators of the North and the King has every right to take that honour and handle it to someone else (as Joffrey did with Roose and LF) There’s plenty of indications that show that Rhaegar grew obsessed about such prophecy. GRRM has a weird way of portraying prophecy. In an earlier work (the Armageddon Rag), the protagonist was given a ‘prophecy of doom’ but which doom was only averted by the protagonist inaction (ie refusing to kill the possessed singer). He plays the same game with Cersei’s prophecy were inaction (ie be a dutiful wife for Robert) would have probably avoided her ruin. I think that Rhaegar became victim of the very prophecy he tried to avoid at all cost. First of all, I am not mistaking, in my mind or the text, Robert and Brandon. Secondly, I don't think I ever claimed that Robert was a bad king. I agree that Robert was smart in a diplomatic type of way, and he did show mercy to attempt to heal the land after the civil war. I think he was average. However, he did drink too much, which caused him to make some poor decisions, left a lot of decisions up to his small council and it seems he ran through a huge amount of gold in the treasury that the Targaryen's had apparently left quite full of gold. I think that the Robert of the start of our story is a different man, in many respects, as the man who was just crowned king 14 years before. I am sure the weight of that crown was heavy on his head, and he himself told Ned that the Iron Throne (both the chair and the power) was not a comfortable seat.
  9. I find it very difficult to believe that the Red Wedding was purely down to Robb’s breaking his vows. Such a thing happened in the past, among people who value honour more than the Freys do and it lead to nothing serious. For example Cregan Stark was promised a marriage between a Stark and a Targ princess that never happened. We’re talking here of one of the most iconic Starks in Westeros history, a man who brought order to Westeros in a time of chaos.In such circumstances, Walder could have easily pulled his troops and remain neutral. That would have been the honourable and the safest way out. One mistake at the twins and Robb’s 20k army could have easily overpowered Walder’s measly 4k army. So the red wedding was a risky business indeed (and Walder is hardly a person who love taking risks). So what happened? Why taking such risk? To answer that question we need to revisit the Frey’s recent history. We know that Walder’s son was married to Tywin’s sister something the old lion objected about but respected nevertheless. Emmon Frey and his brood were allowed to live in CR on Lannister payrolls, an honour only close family members were given. The Lannisters-Freys enjoyed a good relationship at least till Robert’s rebellion. In fact both the Lannisters and the Freys joined Robert’s rebellion late (and after the battle of the trident) which suggest that they co-ordinated their course of action together. Walder’s actions infuriated Hoster and yet, despite being their LP and one of the most powerful people around (ie father in law of two wardens), the man wasn’t able to punish them adequately. Could it be the case that the lion provided his protection in exchange of the service rendered? The old lion might have considered this case closed. The Freys had their fill with Emmon marrying Genna (a woman of way higher nobility standing then him) and living on CR payroll. Walder on the other hand was granted the lion’s protection. However, I can’t help thinking that Walder felt that he was short-changed. Tywin’s daughter was now married to the king, Lannisters were mushrooming at court and yet, the ever loyal Freys were getting nothing out of it. Quite the contrary, Hoster’s constant jabs was hurting their reputation. The old rat couldn’t afford confronting Tywin else he risked losing the lion’s protection. However, I can’t see him happy about how things ended up. When the war of 5 kings started, Tywin moved quickly to break the Tully’s back before Robb could react. It was a well calculated risk. The Vale was ruled by Lysa whose a coward. The North on the other hand was led by a boy who would take ages to raise a decent army and to march it to the Riverlands. The North’s only chance of saving Hoster would be to be given access at the twins, something Walder would never allow, especially after enjoying Lannister protection for so many years. Unfortunately, for the Lannisters the old lion underestimated Walder’s pettiness. The rat sealed a ‘better’ deal with Robb and allowed quick access to the Northern army which lead to Lannister’s defeat and Jamie’s capture. Tywin would later on get his son back but he will return to him broken and maimed. Now imagine how Walder must have felt, when he learnt that the Lannisters-Tyrells had sealed an alliance. On one hand he was humiliated by Robb whom in turn was busy decapitating his own bannermen. On the other hand he was perfectly aware that he had lost Tywin’s trust. Even if the old lion could close an eye to Walder’s devious action, which was responsible for Tywin’s only defeat in battle, his grandson being forced to marry his enemy’s widow and Jamie losing his sword’s arm, he would probably want the twins to be in safer hands than Walder’s. After all the twins held great military significance. Tywin could have easily ‘convince’ the king to force Walder and most of his sons to take the black with the twins falling right on Emmon’s laps. By doing so Emmon would be rewarded for sticking to the Lannisters while Walder would end up punished for his actions. Now Lets now focus on Robb’s POV. Once the Rose and the Lions joined houses, there was no way Robb could have prevailed. The two houses could easily raise a 100k army which would have dwarfed and annihilated Robb’s 20k. However, the war wasn’t over yet. If Robb somehow find his way at the right side of Moat Cailin, then he could have kept the war going for years. Invading the North would have been a logistics nightmare that neither the rose nor the lions were very thrilled to engage in. So whatever happens, Robb needed to be stopped while he’s still in the Riverlands. The only way Walder could survive the King’s justice was to prove his loyalty and usefulness by stopping Robb himself. That was something he could never achieve with his 4k army, at least not through conventional warfare. An excuse was needed for Robb to go to the twins. His guard must be down and a quick but spectacular death was needed, which should be enough to lower the morale of his superior army before they can actually take on the twins.
  10. Focus on the goal. Robb’s aim is to get as many Starks safely back as possible. He cant care about who sits on the IT Understand one’s strengths. The North cannot be tamed. It’s cold, its vast and winter is soon coming, sealing the region from the rest Understand one’s limits. 20k army might look enormous in the North but its tiny when compared to what the Tyrells and the Lannisters can throw against. Also the Starks have no fleet so the path to the North must be secured. Always! He’s warden of the North not of the Riverlands. By all means rescue the Tullys but don’t take responsibility over their lands and their Lords. Edmure can either move North to safety or die in the South among his people. It’s his choice to make Never lose Theon out of sight. He’s not a brother or a friend. He’s a ward. If the Greyjoys dares to pull a hair out of a Northman then Theon will be sent in pieces. Remind Balon of that. Negotiate with everybody. If the Lannisters want Jamie then ask for Sansa and Arya back. If the Baratheons want the Starks at their side then they better start proving their worth by marching their army to war against the Lannisters. The North will bend the knee to anyone willing to pay a fair deal. That include a pardon to the Riverlands and the Starks daughters back Keep your promises. That’s the only way people can trust you. Use your links to the fullest. The Freys have marriage ties with the Lannisters. Use them. If and once the Starks girls are back, make sure to marry them as quickly as possible. Convince Edmure, Brynden and even Cat to do the same. Sansa will be perfect for Willas Tyrell while a marriage between Edmure and Myrcella will secure the Riverlands safety. The former shares blood with half Westeros nobility. The latter is the king’s sister and a Lannister. Both houses must see sense in such marriage. Arya will marry Robin when she’s of age while Cat can be convinced in marrying LF if the man manages to pull all the right strings. Once everyone is secured go back North and put a bad ass army at Moat Cailin. Let the lions and stags fight for the crown. Its ain't your problem anymore
  11. You are deeply mistaken. In a pious world were the only real obstacle between the king and absolute power was religion, concubines played a rather important role. They provided the king with ‘earthly pleasures’ without risking jeopardizing his standing with the church. The role of a concubine was more than simply that of warming the king’s bed. She had to be discreet, she must be well versed in court to avoid scandal and on top of that she had to avoid pissing off the queen, which, in some occasions was as politically powerful or even more politically powerful than the King himself (Ex Catherine of Aragon or Isabella of France). A poor choice could cause rifts. The Boleyn girl caused a schism followed by (A generation later) a crusade, simply because she couldn’t comprehend her role in society. The rift between the du Barry and Marie Antoinette are also well documented. That is why kings would often choose women from a very restricted pool, mostly with nobility standing. The Boleyns and the De Maillys are classical example of what I am saying. Don’t underestimate such role though. Concubines like Boleyn and Hurrem Sultan grew extremely powerful figures in the kingdom. I don’t think Rickard would be happy that his only daughter ended up into such situation. He was too high up in society to be happy with the (often extremely generous) scraps thrown by the king. However at a time when non virgins (even among nobility) were considered as damaged goods, he would hardly have a choice. The only solution to that problem would be to gain something out of it. The crown’s gratitude for at least 2 generations followed by a royal marriage (Viserys and Lyanna) and the legitimisation of Jon to a Targ (with lands and titles to be offered soon afterwards) could help a great deal. The marriage would of course be a farce with Lyanna being Rhaegar’s wife in all but name but that’s the type of crap second sons have to endure when the rightful heir messed up. Aerys might even promise to marry Aegon to Brandon’s future first born daughter which will help appeasing the Starks a bit further. My point is that up until Aerys flipped, the situation was a diplomatic mess, nothing more nothing less. No one was considering a revolt. Scandals of this kind don’t sit very well in medieval/GOT mindset. We know that through Lysa-LF affair. In normal circumstances the nobleman in question will try and contain the scandal by making sure it doesn’t leak. However, if the cat is out then there will be friction especially if Rickard refuses to marry his first born to Barbrey. Brandon knows that very well. He also knows that the Starks would put honour above anything and his honourable father might do something extremely silly because of it (exile? Forced marriage?). Being a womaniser with links in the Riverlands and the Vale he would probably know that the Tully Girl is quite a stunner. So seriously, would he want to risk losing the chance of marrying the Jessica Alba of Westeros for some fling with average jane? So knowing the type he probably lied quite a lot to avoid that from happening. I cannot agree with you on that. Brandon keeps doing the silly ‘irrational’ thing time and time again. He is sent to the Rills where he ends up having sex with the Lord’s daughter. No one would bat an eyelid if he did those things with smallfolk but what he did, well, that’s quite a red line. His father might be the most powerful Lord in the North but at the Rills, Lord Ryswell is THE Lord. If Brandon was caught red-handed then he might end up badly before daddy could come to the rescue He accepted LF duel. We all know that LF is useless with the sword but Brandon can’t be 100% sure of that. If Brandon was killed or hurt by that duel then there would be a rift between the Tullys and the Starks for generations to come. Also god knows how Lord Tully would react that his ward (ie a person with permanent guest rights) ended up killed under his nose. He went ballistic when Lyanna was crown lady of beauty. Robert is hardly Kessinger in terms of diplomacy but even he allowed that little thing to slide. Rhaegar might have been as delicate in terms of diplomacy as an elephant, however he’s still the crown prince and at a higher standing to both Robert and Brandon He went confronting Rhaegar in KL. Don’t take me wrong, I think he shouldn’t have died or even kept arrested for long. In my opinion, Brandon provided Aerys with the golden opportunity to bring Rickard to KL and demonstrate, with facts, that no matter how powerful Kings/Wardens can be, they can’t possible be expected to anticipate every silly move their children do. However, in technical terms Brandon did committed treason. I think that the crown was laid in Lyanna’s lap because Rhaegar was obsessed with this ‘prophecy’ thing. The Stark girl was as ice as can come and he would risk losing everything just to have her. May I remind you that Robert was a Baratheon. Robert’s father and Aerys were cousins and he died serving the king. The Baratheons were, till Aerys flipped, as loyal as can be. There was no need for Rhaegar to warn Robert of anything especially since he kidnapped his fiancée few days later. What sort of warning is that? Actually it’s the wisest move. At that point, anything that showed a hint of aggression could easily be interpreted as treason. Such situation required careful diplomatic actions, something, the Starks had always struggled with (think of Ned a generation later). As said before Ned’s assessment of Brandon is right (as said too many people point to the same thing). However I often question whether the quiet wolf has projected his brother into Robert. Throughout the series Ned portrayed Robert as some sort of oaf with no diplomatic skills whose prone to allow rage taking over his better judgement. Yet if we analyse the stag’s action we see that its not the case. He didn’t fly off the handle when Lyanna was kidnapped. During the rebellion he forgave and convinced all his former enemies to fight for him. The way he dealt with an injured Selmy is a diplomatic masterstroke. The way he dealt with the Greyjoy rebellion is something that reminds me of elite Roman diplomacy rather than that of some medieval warlord He kept Tywin under check, by keeping Jamie in the KG which meant that his son Tommen would have probably inherited CR He gave the Stormlands to the most diplomatic savvy of all Baratheons which paved the way to an unlikely alliance between Baratheons and Tyrells These are not the actions of a brute with little IQ and a fiery temper but of a well calculating king whose quite versed in diplomacy. Why on earth would Arryn lie? Sure, he lost his nephew and heir in the Brandon’s incident. However that should have made him more aware in not joining any war whatsoever. If Jon died, the entire Arryn clan would have died with him. Also Arryn doesn’t strike me as a very ambitious guy either. He could have easily kept the two boys under a short lead and claim glory for himself but he didn’t. I hate myself for saying it, but unfortunately its not how things work. Rhaegar was a crown prince who was appointed by the gods to one day rule over Westeros. Brandon was just the son of some Lord whom the Targs were kind enough to allow him to administer the land on their behalf. Their standing is completely different. As said in technical terms what Brandon did was treason. Money would cheapen things up and there’s no way that a medieval high Lord would marry damaged goods. My plan would allow all houses to leave this sad act with their heads held high while feeling that some sort of justice had been made With Rhaegar disowned both Martells and the Starks will get their pound of flesh. The Dornish will see their own Aegon becoming king earlier then expected Lyanna would end up married to a high born of a higher standing to Robert Robert would be married off to a person that strictly speaking is of higher standing to Lyanna. He can wait because he’s got brothers to succeed him if needed (also he’s 20 not 92 + in 10 years time he would probably be able to marry her) Jon would be legitimised and given lands and titles fitted to his standing The Starks are given first preference to marry Aegon (another big plus) True. There again, Ned was a second son ie a man programmed to serve his Lord and brother. Most of the decisions taken by him (including the Cersei mess) were taken with the administrator thinking cap hat on not that of a born strategist of a 1st born. GRRM loves doing these sorts of parallels. The older brother tends to be a dreamer who focus on the bigger picture (Tywin, Robert, Balon, Hoster, Doran). The younger brother is more level headed, he’s more of an administrator type of guy and tend to get lost when given the bigger picture (Kevan, Stannis, Victarion, Brynden and Oberyn)
  12. Cersei can only love a carrot and stick master. A man whose will make her feel unique but is equally willing to put her back in her box if needed, simply because he (And only he) is better then her. Her father comes as a close second to what I am saying. However the perfect man for Cersei is her own son Joffrey. He's the only man who could push Cersei to the ropes without ending up killed, executed or betrayed by it
  13. That could work in a region of merchants and beggars. The North is not that sort of region. Dying of starvation is common in long winters and the North had never flinched to it. People would either walk outside until they die of cold or join an army (ex the Winter wolves) of desperate people in their bid to give their death some meaning. The wildlings are even tougher then the Northerners. Also note that after the Greyjoy invasion, the Red Wedding and the Bolton-Starks-Stannis war, there are hardly many mouths to feed either. So how would someone be able to make the North forget? There’s only one thing that the Northerners hate more than the Lannisters/Targs and that is Roose Bolton and Walder Frey. Therefore any king who wants the North back must Strip the Freys from all their lands and titles. The Red wedding is despicable and it created a precedent that no on sitting on the IT should accept. Bring the CR hostages back to KL. Promise them military assistance, revenge on the Boltons, a pardon and the return of all their lands and titles IF they bend the knee to the king. Restore Edmure as Lord of Riverrun and LP of the Riverlands but only after both remaining Tullys had bent the knee. Brynden will be given the opportunity to join the KG and lead the Southern armies to the siege at the Twins. Im surely that will bring the old trout out of his hiding. Provide Sansa with a pardon. Marry her to a handsome highborn who will treat her right (Aegon? Jamie? Jorah?) Use the Tyrell links (Danny should marry Willas), open the ‘food’ route up North. Legitimise and release Jon Snow from his NW duty. Give Jon Stark/Targeryan the Lordship over the Dreadfort if, in turn, he bends the knee and he marries Janei Lannister (if Lannister king) Alynne Connington (Aegon) or Missandei (Danny). The North is more likely to forget, if an army of 20k lead by the Greatjon and Brynden Tully reaches Moat Cailin with food supplies and Walder’s head on a spike.
  14. It will be very interesting to see Stannis’s, Jon’s and the North’s to it TBH. Let’s start from the Northerners. The Northerners will be thrilled. Lyanna Stark was loved. Her rescue pushed the entire north to war no ifs or buts. Having her boy back and alive will not only remove the only speck of dishonour from good old Ned but would also bring joy inside the Northerners hearts who wish nothing but revenge. Bran is broken, Rickon is a pup, Sansa is a Lannister and Arya is dead. Jon is a seasoned fighter, with a shot to the real thing and most important he’s one of them. Jon knows about the wall, he knows about the wolfswood and the barrows of the first men. Even his gods are right! Who can deliver a sweeter revenge to them then him? Which lead us to Jon. He was treated badly by the closest thing he knew to a mother, mainly because she thought that he was Ned’s bastard. Because of Ned’s rumour, Jon was pushed out of Winterfell and to the wall which lead to that famous attempted murder of his. So how will he react to the fact that he’s been treated that badly, mainly because Stannis brother/his father’s killer couldn’t handle the truth? How would he act that this same man had his half-sister butchered and that Stannis claim rest solely on putting his half-brother and aunt to the sword? That leads us to Stannis Baratheon. He shares Jon’s hatred towards Robert. However his claim rest solely on the Targs being disowned and as far away from Westeros as possible (hopefully killed). Jon Snow is also a threat. He’s got support of most of the North + the GC will probably flock at his side the moment ‘Blackfyre’ is mentioned. Sure they committed themselves to Aegon. However, we’re talking about glorified mercenaries here whose rise to status rest solely on them seeing a Targ/Blackfyre into power. Who gives a damn which of these Targs/Blackfyre will be? If Jon can raise the entire North at his side + he’s able to put the last Baratheon to the sword…well….that will ‘intriguing’ especially once Tyrell-Lannister forces start storming the Stormlands with an army 2/3 times bigger then that provided by the GC.
  15. I think you misunderstood me. Bran is in a weaker position than his older brother was (ie troops were lost, the whitewalkers are at the doors, the North is divided etc). House Reed has also been weakened by the Greyjoy invasion and was never at par to the stronger Northern Houses (ie Manderlys or the Boltons). Neither player can go toe to toe against lets say the Lannisters or even LF. However Stannis is not the Lannisters. He's a desperate man whose fighting in the North with an army mostly made up by Northerners. The North remembers and its fiercely loyal to the Starks. The moment he dares lifting his finger against a Stark he'll end up dead.