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LMAO, that's why I hate typing on my mobile XD

I was never so happy as when the show left out "where the whores go"...I absolutely hated that Tyrion took on such a stupid catch phrase.

I find it completely understandable.

Actually, Tyrion brought up the brothel, not Oberyn. ;) I could be wrong, but I didn't think that we were going to ever see or hear about Willas? I thought I heard about him getting cut.

"Unless you just mean that seeing an actor on screen works better for you than letting your imagination tackle the words on the page? Maybe, can't speak to that." That's an insult.

Yes, because insulting people automatically proves one's point. My imagination is just fine, thanks- but I can't read what's not there. There are quite a few differences between show-Oberyn and book-Oberyn that make show-Oberyn a more interesting character. Also, your assertion that everything in the show is from the books is incorrect. Where, in the books, did Oberyn casually walk up to someone singing the Rains of Castamere and stab him in the wrist? Or be disgusted by the antics of Joffrey at the Red Wedding, as well as trade shots with Cersei and Tywin about Myrcella's treatment in Dorne? Or have a talk with Varys about Essos? No, book-Oberyn was a much more fleshed-out character than the book and wasn't reduced at all.

Hyperbole abounds. Show Oberyn was awesome...much more interesting than he was in the books. His sex scenes didn't actually have much sex in them at all, for all of the complaining. And they ended about other things. But he had some amazing scenes such as his talk with Tyrion in the cell, his talk about his daughters with Cersei and his talk about bastards at the Red Wedding...and oh look, those didn't involve sex. He was the most likable character this season because he's a wild card that shook up everything in KL. He wasn't nearly that cool in the books.

To me, it was most definitely "poof! He's LC!" in the books. And the battle for CB and the Wall are my favorite chapters...but I can't deny that Jon being put in command made no sense. Even Jon himsf questions why Noye does it, despite his bad injury that makes him nearly unable to walk, his youth, inexperience, and questions about his loyalty ("he had made as many enemies as he had friends"). Then he's somehow elected by 2/3rds of the vote over men with more experience, age and support? It makes no sense under scrutiny. Even Jon thinks it's a joke when he's submitted as a candidate. I don't expect everything to be realistic about the books, but I immediately saw that the show was trying to make it more believable by lengthening the storyline and adding things rather than shoehorn the "oh, he's LC!" into the story. I still enjoy both versions, but I think the show did it better. My only real problems with the show version were Locke and the senseless slaughter of Molestown, but WotW was so awesome they were easy to forgive.

It's not the reason he's made LC, though...it's the reason they turn to him in the big battle. In the books, there's literally no reason for Noye to put him in charge or for the others to follow him. Here, it makes sense because he's led a successful mission to CK and killed the mutineers...he's also been training the men and warning them for weeks what would happen. They have every reason to trust him and turn to him in a situation like that. I think the books do some things better, but this was one of those times that I felt the show got it right over the book.

Uh, you brought it up. And I don't have to read dozens of threads, I've read the books several times and this isn't exactly a mystery like "Who Are Jon's Parents?" This is "Does Jon Love His Steward?" and the only clues we need are Jon's own chapters. None of which ever once mention that Jon has any sort of feelings of love for anyone other than Ygritte or any attraction to anyone other than Val. I will not apologize for not jumping the shark to believe something so incredibly crackpot.

Lazy or not, there's absolutely no way Jon is in live with Satin. We can see his thoughts and everything he does, remember? He thinks about Ygritte quite a lot. He thinks about Val a little. He doesn't think anything at all about Satin. At all. There's not even the slightest hint. The show won't make Jon bisexual because he's not bisexual. They obviously don't have a problem with it, considering Oberyn was the most beloved character this past season. But Jon isn't even CLOSE to being bisexual.

Jon doesn't fall in love with Satin, either. I've seen people say that he is in love with Val...I've never seen anyone say that Jon is in love with Satin.

Okay, then I'm utterly confused as to the "Jon falling in love with Olly" comment.

Uh, whoever said anything about Jon falling in love with Olly? Olly isn't replacing Val, he's replacing Satin. And it's the Night's Watch...it essentially IS an orphanage of sorts. They can find uses for boys, even young ones. Even in the books, Jon takes 99 Wildling boys hostage and puts them to work...same with the kids from Molestown. Olly also helped fight during the battle of Castle Black and killed Ygritte...I would say that he's not remotely useless. In any case, Jon isn't in love with Val in the books, either. Attracted to her, yes...but not in love with her. I don't see how it's a major plot point in the books at all. Tormund can easily replace Val and go and fetch the Wildlings back to the Wall for Jon. Up to the end of ADwD, Val really isn't that important. Will she be important later on? We shall see. But Olly isn't replacing Val at all.

Yeah, it started off as sort of a generic English accent and then has morphed into god knows what now XD Some bastard hybrid of American/Irish/English something, lol.

He didn't have a choice: Kit said: "They asked Sean Bean whether he would do RP (received pronunciation). He said 'no' so they said 'right , you're all doing northern accents'. How? I'm failing to see how the show said that he was extremely close at all. He had 100k in both the book and the show. The show simply slowed down the progression of Mance's army because Castle Black was attacked not long after Jon returns in the books. He was still seriously injured (and even moreso) in the show escaping. Noye giving him the Wall when he was badly injured on top of people still thinking he was a traitor made no sense at all, tbh. Even to Jon, who thinks of about 4 or 5 reasons why someone else should have been given command. What kind of information will those women have? It's not like the mutineers would have sat there and told the women all of Castle Black's information while they were raping them. This is a discussion board. People discuss things. I'm not finding arguments, I'm discussing opinions. We've agreed on some stuff and disagreed on others. Par for the course, right? I had no problem with Olly, and uh, he killed Ygritte, so I would say that qualifies as doing something in the story. I would be surprised if he doesn't end up as Jon's steward, and if there weren't some sort of fallout from the fact that he did kill Ygritte. His character has a lot of potential...it's all about whether they show exploits it, which, is too soon to tell at this point. But him killing Ygritte and Jon seeing it could make for some interesting drama later on.

Ygritte's made me cringe. But no one can beat Littlefinger for the most "WTF?" accent in the show. I don't even know what he's trying to sound like at all.

I will defend Craster's Keep because I felt that it solved a problem in the books...how to believably show Jon going from 'accused traitor' to 'elected leader'. I didn't think it was stupid at all, although I didn't like how they did Locke. But the books didn't do a good job of making it realistic that the NW would elect Jon as LC- it was one of those things that felt like the author said "Well, damn, I need him to be LC here, so, poof! Lord Commander" without really putting any thought behind whether it made sense. It didn't, by the way. In the show, they take the time to show Jon being exonerated (which he never was in the books), then showing him training the recruits, as well as giving advice and warnings about Castle Black's defenses. Craster's Keep was a great way to show that Jon could not only lead a successful mission to kill the mutineers, but that men trusted him enough to volunteer to go with him. I already know you're not going to agree with anything I said, but I'm just pointing out that not everyone has the same opinion of show additions as you do. And yes, I thought the show did a better job of showing Jon's growth than the books did, and I stand by that. Oh, and Mance wasn't that close in the show, which slowed down the time frame considerably from the books. Plus there's a difference between 'ranging' and 'going to kill some people who could possibly have information detrimental to your defenses'.

One of my best friends liked Twilight. I joked with her, but no, I don't judge others for their likes and dislikes. We all have our guilty pleasures. I will back up my assertion that Kristen Stewart couldn't act her way out of a paper bag, though :) Dany's been at the forefront for three seasons, but her story hit a natural lull. Jon's story, on the other hand, has been on the backburner for the past three seasons, but starts to heat up becomes one of the more prominent plotlines in the story. It was important to show Jon's transition from accused traitor to leader of the Night's Watch, which made Craster's Keep important. Otherwise, Jon would have had no opportunity to demonstrate his leadership abilities before the battle of Castle Black- and by then, it would be too late. Also, Jon, Ned and Robb all use a northern accent. It makes sense, considering they are in the North, and male. The girls don't speak like the boys do, but I imagine they would be raised to speak more like proper Southern ladies. Being high born doesn't necessarily mean you will have a different accent than those around you. Personally, I like that he uses a northern accent. Sounds more authentic.

No. There's a difference between "what they should be like" and "what they are like". You can say "Emilia is supposed to do this" and "the writers don't know how to portray Jon", but the truth is, neither Kit nor Emilia have done well when they have been handled weaker material to work with. Charles Dance and Sean Bean, both very talented and veteran actors, could have played their material very straight-forward and without any nuance. Yet both of them owned their roles and made their characters incredibly likable. Tywin Lannister wasn't evil, but he most definitely wasn't a good man. Ned Stark was a good man and very honorable, but very conflicted about what his sense of duty was doing to his family. The writers have portrayed Jon the way he is written in the books...quiet, contemplative, and sullen. That means that Kit has to act through looks more than words, and this was a struggle for him in seasons 2 and 3...I'm sure that his ankle injury during season 3 didn't help at all. But he really found his feet in season 4, and he's much more expressive with his eyes and body language than he was in season's past. He's really growing into the role, which is what anyone would want to see, and while I've never been overly critical of his portrayal of Jon Snow, I think he's much, much better this season than he was in seasons past. Clarke had more to sink her teeth into in the first season, and did really well. But this season was just not good for her. She wasn't acting naturally at all, and it didn't come off natural. There's a difference between acting regally and acting stiffly...and she didn't make that distinction. Again, though...she's a relatively young actress without a lot of experience behind her. Kristen Stewart is an abomination to acting. She's just terrible, and isn't even near the level of any of the actors in GoT. Kit and Emilia completely blow anything she has ever done out of the water. This pretty much summed up my feelings on Kristen Stewart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvo5_Zi-Yxs "Shovel Face (Robert Patterson) must transform her from a human who can't act into a vampire who can't act." Basically, I don't get why you would extrapolate my feelings about two actors into the show to mean that I would feel the same about every other actor ever. I judge based on individual performances, not the characters they play. And I also said both have had their high and low points in the series, so it's not as if I'm saying that they are bad actors altogether. Just that both have had their problems. It's not at all a damning statement.

Jon Snow is my favorite character, but I will be the first to say that Kit Harington didn't have a great 2nd or 3rd season...the writing didn't help him at all, what with them focusing more on Ygritte, but he also had problems himself. I think he did much, much better this season. Clarke did her best work in season 1, had some issues in season 2, and had a really good season 3. But this season has been her weakest, for whatever reason. She did well in her last two episodes, but since she took Meereen, she's just felt stiffer in her acting.

And of course, I didn't say any such thing. On the contrary, I agree that she wasn't given much to work with, but that still doesn't completely absolve her of some cringe-worthy line delivery this season while walking around very slowly and deliberately. "I will do what queens will do- I will rule" was one of the worst this season. Basically, she did better when she was sacking things. But then she becomes queen and tries to seem regal. Jorah deserved more screentime, but he had no problematic acting that I can recall.

My credibility? People have been arguing for pages about whether an actor with a small but important part in the show should 'count' as an actor, and have even made fun of his looks and his voice. It's ridiculous. I actually point out an actual concern that many people have had this season about Emilia Clarke (and I am NOT the only one who has thought that about her stiff acting) and you jump on me. I haven't dragged her through the dirt by pointing out that her acting this season hasn't been as good as her acting was in seasons' past...it's a valid criticism. But people HAVE been dragging that poor actor through the dirt with various insults to his looks, voice and status in the show.

Anyway, the guy was an actor paid to do a job. Whether he did a good job is up for debate, but I think we're long past that now. Personally, I thought they portrayed that scene extremely well, whatever he looked or sounded like, and that we finally saw Emilia act with emotion...something she hasn't done very much of this season. She has lost control of everything in just a couple of episodes, and will be very vulnerable come next season.

An actor. I'm not getting why there's a problem with this distinction. Actors have lines. Extras do not. That's pretty much the long and the short of it. I was an extra in a commercial. I had no lines, I just had to stand in the background and pretend to be happy. My friend was an actor in the commercial because he had lines. Simple as that. And it IS an important distinction because actors get paid more than extras.