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Solid 8/10.  Great pacing, great character recalls, and more plot movement. Loved getting the Hound back and seeing Blackfish and Lyanna Mormont being badasses was great.

10 hours ago, Joseph Weaver said:

Faceless men are the best assassins in the known world.. is the waif just in training? I don't get it.. 

Looked like she was trying to make Arya suffer first to me.

Just now, lancerman said:

Then lets agree to disagree. Everything LSH has been leading up to this Jamie/Brienne thing. That's right now the centerpiece to the LSH storyline and actually the first consequential things she's done besides exist. Aside from that, all we really got was the LSH reveal and some Freys being killed. Who cares?

The situation is already set up for a rift between Jaime and Brienne.  Unlike the books, Brienne has already sworn herself to Sansa...which is where the rift will lie.  Jaime is trying to take down the Blackfish...Brienne is trying to get the Blackfish to help out.  There's no need for a third party in this situation.  And the Freys have already shown us that they are being humiliated.  LSH is simply not required.

If you want to agree to disagree, that's fine.  But that doesn't change the fact that the show has pretty much made her useless to the story at this point.

2 hours ago, lancerman said:

Well the difference is that the only useful portions of Aegon's story hinged on Tyrion's journey to Mereen and Doran's plot. Both are past the point of being valid.

LSH's central storyline up to this point was Jamie and Brienne in the Riverlands. That's just starting. At this point the only thing with LSH that we didn't get was the epilogue to ASOS.

I disagree.  If that is her only purpose, then she is unnecessary.  We simply need a rift between Jaime and Brienne, and that can happen in many, many ways without introducing LSH.

35 minutes ago, Ordos said:

Let's review the things from the books that happened this season:

Balon falling off the bridge: book 3 (reference only)

The pink letter: book 5

The Kingsmoot: book 4

Coldhands: appears in books 3 and 5

Jamie goes to Riverrun: book 4

Arya's assasin training: book 4 and 5

With all of that in season 6 when it should have been in season 5 highlights how terrible season 5 was. But it also emphasizes not to get over excited about going beyond book material just yet. Most plot-lines have gone beyond the books admittedly, but they seem to be dragging it out slowly. It also gives me hope that what I mentioned will actually happen.

I said "we are beyond the book material AT THIS POINT".  I never said that this season was beyond the book material.  However, you are clearly twisting the facts to make it seem like we are further behind than we actually are.  Just because they changed the order something happened doesn't mean we are still 'behind' in a storyline.  The show spent the first half of the season catching up the storylines that were a bit behind at the start of the season, which is why I said "at this point".  Let's see how many of those things have already happened at this point in the story:

The Greyjoys: Going after Dany...exactly where the book material ended, and thus into unknown territory at this point.

Jon: Has been resurrected, left the Night's Watch, and the pink letter is come and gone.  Way beyond the books at this point, it doesn't matter when the Pink Letter came.

Benjen: We see him rescuing Bran after Hodor dies...all of which happens long after where we are in the books.  In the books, we only see Coldhands taking Bran TO the tree, so this one doesn't count as 'book 3 and 5 material'.

Jaime: I already stated that they are catching up the Riverrun story.

Arya: We get Mercy, which is CLEARLY in book 6.  So no, this is still beyond the books.

Everything you stated, but one, is now beyond the books.  Like I already stated.  Lady Stoneheart isn't going to show up...it makes no sense at this point, we've already seen Jon resurrected, and she has no real use in the show storyline at this point because if she's only going to kill Freys, the Brotherhood without Banners is absolutely capable of doing that without her help.  

Aegon's appearance was doomed the minute Doran and Trystane were killed.  Jorah gets greyscale instead of Griff, as well.

I mean, if you want to continue holding out fruitless hope that LSH and Aegon will appear, go ahead.  But it's not going to happen.

4 hours ago, Ordos said:

So much book 3, 4 and 5 material happening this season now with Jamie going to Riverrun and Coldhands appearing, I feel we are not really very far into book 6 material. That gives me hope for 3 more things from the books that have yet to happen: Kevan Lannister's assasination, Lady Stoneheart and the biggest of all: Aegon/Young Griff.

I'm sure we will see Kevan die, because he's actually in the show.

The ships for LSH and Aegon sailed long ago.  And we aren't in "book 3 material" anymore.  We are getting a delayed Riverrun, but everything else is beyond the books at this point.  So I don't see the show backtracking to add more characters at this point when they are clearly streamlining to get to the end.

There was a shot in the flashback...where someone's hand (it looked like young Ned's to me) was covered in blood from a person drenched in blood.  Could we be seeing our first shot from inside the ToJ?

Solid 8.  Moved the story along nicely, finally called back to some great characters from the past, but nothing terribly dramatic (for me) beyond seeing the Mad King.  Great character-building episode (I don't see that as 'filler', myself), but definitely building up for crazy stuff down the road.  Was also happy to hear Daario finally say what I've been thinking this whole time...Dany's not a ruler, she's a conqueror.  Hopefully she takes that to heart.  My only gripe, really, was that it felt like it needed a Northern segment in it somewhere.

Beautiful, heartbreaking, gut-wrenching episode.  So many shocking revelations, and I absolutely cried at the end.  10/10

1 hour ago, PirateVergo said:

If they kill Ghost I'm dropping this show.

Btw you can bet we're not gonna get the Tower of Joy scene now that Bran is out of this mess.

Just because he left the tree doesn't mean he no longer has his powers.  He was greenseeing long before he made it to the cave.

9/10.  Finally got a Stark reunion.  Dany became the Stallion that Mounts the World.  We have the pink letter and everything is setting up for a battle for Winterfell.  I'm still 'meh' on KL right now, but everything else made up for it.  Osha died quickly, which is more than I could have hoped for.  We have plot progression and that's what I've been wanting for years, so a solid 9 for me.

Good episode that moved the story forward considerably, despite being a slower paced episode.  This season is on the path to being my favorite so far.  9/10

10/10.  Excellent episode.

10/10. I liked pretty much everything about it. Best season finale.

I think people expecting that were mistaking GRRM showing that resurrection was possible in his world with people showing that Mel is going to do it.

I find the argument that Jon must be Lyanna's son on the basis of his looks to be utterly unconvincing because GRRM has shown us multiple ways of changing looks. Mel does it, the Faceless Men do it, even wilding wargs do it. Face changing is a part of GRRM's world. But the fact that he has given us three examples does not mean that he is limited to those.

Mel is the personification of evil. AAR is the personification of good. So Mel cannot raise AAR, it would be stupid.

I've yet to find one person who believes Jon is the son of Lyanna based ONLY on his looks. It's only one small part of the theory.

And we have no idea what AAR is like. We know that Azor Ahai killed the woman he loved to defeat evil. Well, Stannis thinks he's doing the same thing...why is the former 'good' and the latter 'bad'?

Mel is most definitely not the personification of evil. Her intentions are noble (saving the world), but her methods are terrible. Again, it's yet another example of 'do the ends justify the means?'

However, I do agree that I've never thought Melisandre was going to resurrect Jon. Because if she did, he would be seen as yet another one of her puppets, and I don't see anyone following him after that. If Dany can perform a miracle without the help of others, then surely Jon can, too.

9. Not as good as last week, but still a really good episode.

Welcome to the forum, William_Tell. :cheers:

I agree that episode 8 was very thrilling. I've rewatched it 3 times now. :lol:

It's definitely my favorite episode of GoT. And that's saying a lot.

Steward is indeed a general term, and doesn't only apply to NWmen.

It looks like I have walked right into some sort of war between fans with my very first post.

Don't mind me I like both show and books. No need to drag me in the field

It's the status quo here, unfortunately.

Welcome, anyway :) Glad to see new opinions around here.

Why don't the white walkers send terms or try to communicate? ???

Twinstars - "gold will be their crowns, gold their shrouds" -this is referring to all of Cersei's children so there is the possibility of Mycella wearing a crown as well.... either by Tommens death of Dorne taking Westeros (without Dany?).

Well, I would say that they aren't sending terms or communicating because it doesn't really seem like they need to do so at this point. They have the humans on the run.

Just realized that Jon Snow needs to die and be brought back to life as an immortal in order to be able to fight the White Walkers. Wow!! What an episode. I'm ready to forgive the Sansa Rape and even the Dorne fight scene after this epic episode. Everything was bang on. From Sansa finding out that her brothers might be alive to the White Walker massacre at hardhome. Incredibly fight scene. Can't wait to see what is going to happen next. Loved the interaction between Tyrion and Dany. Dany finally does have an advisor worthy of her. This is going to be a power couple (not really couple). I wonder when and how they will find out about the white walker invasion.

Why would dying make him immortal? And why is immortality required for him (or anyone) to defeat the White Walkers?

The thing about the White Walkers is that if you cut off the head, the rest dies. So, kill the White Walkers, the wights are gone.

In any case, immortality is boring. Peril is what makes a character interesting...it's why so many people dislike Superman. People like underdogs who have to fight to overcome overwhelming odds.

Did anyone saw that gorgeous official picture of Hardhome ?

http://i.imgur.com/PA7PYDD.jpg

I saw it...it is very stunning in scale. Love that we see the White Walkers in the fray, as well.

If you haven't watched the entire episode, but only selected scenes (especially the Hardhome segment that took about half of the footage), I don't see why you can't discuss those. Each storyline is for the most part independent from one another.

Because it's not the whole picture.

You can't say "the story doesn't make sense" when you don't watch the whole story. That's like me reading every 5th chapter in AGOT and saying "God, nothing here is making any sense at all!" Nor would I have the right to say "this is the best story ever!"

It's not about giving a negative or positive review...it's about giving any review whatsoever without all of the information.

If you watch the entire episode and feel the need to rip it to shreds, then do so. But don't expect others to take your opinion seriously if you watch only a few minutes of something before ripping it to shreds. There's a reason I don't comment on forums for Supernatural- and it's because I only ever watched a few minutes of it. It wouldn't exactly be fruitful to start going on that forum every week after watching only a few minutes of the episode and declaring it crap, because people wouldn't really take me seriously if I did.

To me, Jon being legitimate explains the past more than it predicts the future.

I don't think he'll become king because he's the heir to the Targaryen throne. That's not how this story has ever worked and I don't expect it to start working that way now.

But it helps to explain why things happened in the past to help shape Jon's future, like what happened at the ToJ and what happened between Rhaegar and Lyanna.

In any case, we'll see eventually, I'm sure. If it does have some significance to the story, Martin will be sure to include it.

DP