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  1. http://thelasthearth.com/thread/825/weirwood-ghost The rhetoric of America's Orange Joffrey is nothing, if not a reminder that building walls creates Others. To end such divisions, one must literally end such divides. And when we hide our greatest fears on the other side of a wall, we only make them more powerful and give them a life of their own. [Pretend the devil is blue, ok? (we have better emojis at the Hearth) LOL]
  2. I think I can answer this pressing question, but I don't think you'll like it. First, read this. Pay particular attention to the purpose of the secret of Jon Snow's parentage, and what it permits. Then (and I truly mean to imply that the previous link is a prerequisite, because it is), read this.
  3. Benjen Understands My Problem
  4. You can learn a lot from a wild redhead. I should use that "tower of joy–Rorschach" line more often. It's one of my better quips, and the capitalization alone speaks volumes. @markg171 added a very nice collection of things we do not know/do not fit re: RLJ, in this thread.
  5. BUMP!
  6. I'm so sorry to hear that LB! I hope you live in a state with medical mj. And if you ever need an additional escape from reality, the Hearth is always open.
  7. Ah, I see. Do explain. well said. Very interesting. And I can't help but wonder, which came first? The Bump, or the Benjen? Great argument. It was definitely the bump.
  8. Shame on you all. How could you remain silent whilst your uncle roams the north, seeking a way home? Bump, so that he may hear!
  9. I fear some of we lowly bastards are doomed to e'er know nothing.
  10. Did they remove COMIC SANS?! How will the Faith admonish the nonbelievers?! This is an outrage.
  11. Considering your poor reading comprehension, that isn't very surprising ole chap.
  12. Contrary to popular (twitter) belief, "covfefe" is not "coffee." The Great Orange Anus was actually recounting Rhaegar's fate at the Trident. The "negative press" was that of Robert and his warhammer, obviously. And in spite of that warhammer crushing his beautiful chest, the dragonprince was able to use his last breath to utter a woman's name, "Covfefe..." Cool. You should check out what orderofthereenhand and kinglittlefinger added to that timeline. There are some very interesting differences with your own that I think you would very much like and appreciate. OotGH's contribution in particular swayed an old belief of mine, and was fully supported by canon. I do remember. And I totally dig it, but can't say I have a very strong opinion one way or the other regarding that debate. LOL! I didn't even think to check Jaime's POV! Thanks, THD.
  13. Good stuff. Might this change/augment the timeline you had for RR? To be fair, Jaime's account doesn't describe the appearance of his sword. It might have been gilded, and Viserys and Ned might still be correct. What I always found funny about Ned's account, was his awe at Jaime upon the throne: "I cannot answer for the gods, Your Grace … only for what I found when I rode into the throne room that day," Ned said. "Aerys was dead on the floor, drowned in his own blood. His dragon skulls stared down from the walls. Lannister's men were everywhere. Jaime wore the white cloak of the Kingsguard over his golden armor. I can see him still. Even his sword was gilded. He was seated on the Iron Throne, high above his knights, wearing a helm fashioned in the shape of a lion's head. How he glittered!" Sure. And I don't really have a dog in that fight. My point is that we've seen men prepare for tourneys and win them, and in those preparations, we've never seen a victor gather flowers and make a crown for the qolab. Thus, I find it more likely that such crowns are made by the tourney's hosts, rather than the knights who enter the lists. And at Harrenhal, I think Lord Walter Whent's daughter makes more sense as the crown's maker than these knights.
  14. If the man raped a 14 year old girl, I wouldn't put any offense past him. But no. This isn't about character, this is about purpose. Rhaegar was a man with a plan, and his plan was a Great Council. Offending House Stark would not have served that purpose. Indeed. My thoughts on that can be found here. Those are the outcomes that people have assumed over the years in the forum-verse, but no. We are told that Robert dismissed the gesture and kept on joking around. And we know the Martells are not offended at extramarital sex, so I doubt Elia batted an eye when Rhaegar rode up to Lyanna. While she was known not to have been the most healthy of broodmares, I am surprised by how often people assume Elia would have been offended or dismayed by Rhaegar having a lover or two on the side. House Martell has given us every reason to think otherwise. And why would Elia care if she didn't get a crown made of flowers? Unlike Lyanna, she was an actual princess, and if she ever wanted a crown, my guess is that it would have been a real one. I would nominate a fourth option: unimportant. People act like crowning Lyanna qolab is some great hinge upon which the world turned. It wasn't. Some smiles died, Robert dismissed it all, and then life went on. No banners were called. No confessions of love were made. Elia did not throw herself from a tower and the prickly Starks recovered. Rhaegar went home to Dragonstone with his pregnant wife, and soon proclaimed that his son Aegon was the fabled prince that was promised. I wouldn't limit it to those degrees. I think Lyanna is far more important to we readers than she was to Rhaegar. Of Rhaegar's considerations and priorities, Lyanna seems to have been pretty far down the list (even if R+L=J). And given her fate, I suspect that she wasn't on it at all.
  15. From H198: Indeed. I was expanding upon this idea: Theon: But there were others with faces he had never known in life, faces he had seen only in stone. The slim, sad girl who wore a crown of pale blue roses and a white gown spattered with gore could only be Lyanna. Not that is a good Voice impression!