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  1. Soon you'll be saying that Brandon the Builder was the Night's King.
  2. Welcome to the dark side. These Starks are not like other men, who trembled and froze and remember their origin as "the Long Night".
  3. Now THAT is a name! I'm already a fan, @Weirwood Ghost.
  4. Nice to see some sober discussion on this topic. GRRM wants the books to be finished, and is ever ready to soak in the adoration that comes/will come from them. But, he clearly has no interest in writing them and has realized he will be adored by show fans regardless. And, their forces far exceed our dwindling host.
  5. I have tickets to the real Ricky Gervais next month. Looking forward to it. Bastards Understand Moody People
  6. It's canon I tell you! A descendant of Brandon the Builder (aka, the Night's King) does not simply disarm the wielder of Dawn without wintery consequences.
  7. Way-against canon for any ice dragon to breathe blue flame. Not only is it against canon, it's against GRRM's other ice dragons and their constellations. But of course, Waymar's lightning-struck blade was also in fact shattered by the cold. The combustion of Orell's eagle, in my mind, is fiery because Varamyr-in-the-Eagle crossed a prism that focuses solar radiation like a magnifying glass. The Wall stands before skinchangers and proclaims, "You cannot pass." You are talking about what GRRM called the "Game of Mind" in The Glass Flower. If you haven't checked it out yet, you definitely should! It's a good one.
  8. Very much so. Backdoor secretions sounds about right in my book. But unlike other emissions, the Others are a contagious power that have an independent life of their own. These are the makings of a miasma as the ancient Greeks understood them. What's more, we even have a sacred-grove violation event to fit that tragic device.
  9. Is there a difference? I suppose new information might illuminate benevolent intent, but I don't think it's necessary. We know that Mel is a fanatic. We know her judgement is impaired. We know she is willing to pretend she has more power than she actually has, and that she is willing to let spectators believe things that are not true so that she can push her agenda. I disagree regarding Mel being "alive" in any natural sense. As I've outlined here, I think GRRM has demonstrated that she is in fact a fire wight. A younger, more beautiful Lady Stoneheart, but just as dead and single-minded. Re: Stannis. Sure. She might genuinely believe he's AAR, but if so, that only further proves that she is a fool, high on her own bs. Even Davos is like, "Umm, Stan wasn't born on Dragonstone... this is awkward." Neither do I. She's a fanatic, and speaks like one. Trump claimed to know all the smartest people, and to have all the best words. In spite of such boasts, the truth is plain to see.
  10. Cool. Mel is definitely a fire wight. That's pretty much canon as far as I'm concerned. And Orell's eagle definitely flew quite close to a barrier that, we know, blocks skinchangers and little/nothing else. Fire wights cannot and do not cause animals to burst into flame.
  11. Preach. Forgive the intrusion, but I've been hard on Mel lately, particularly in this thread. I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this theory, fellow Heretics (in particular @JNR and @wolfmaid7), when or if you have the time. Regarding the veritas Wolfmaid is attempting to cast upon Melisandre of Asshai, I'd just like to point out that the first time we meet her on the page, she's pretending that Stannis is "the son of fire" and is giving him one of those cheap toy lightsabers (not even a licensed replica) at the world's most awkward birthday party.
  12. This is sort of how I see it too. More in this post.
  13. First of all, I totally understand your skepticism. All of your reservations are well placed, and quite rational. I'm sure other skinchangers have tried before Varamyr. And, I think they would have been driven mad, like Varamyr. Wildlings are full of superstition, and curses for the Wall. No doubt such experiences would have fanned those flames of contempt. Regarding Orell and/or Varamyr attempting such surveillance before, I think we can assume they did not. Neither Varamyr nor Orell were from the region. Craster seems to have been the only wildling who didn't mind living close to the Wall. Orell and Varamyr were from more distant tribes. They were recruited by Mance Rayder and followed him south only recently. We don't know much about Orell's early life. I assume he was from Ygritte's tribe, but I really can't say. We know far more about Varamyr, and we know that he used his abilities as a skinchanger to make himself into a petty lord of sorts. Villages payed him homage, and he forced women to have sex with him by intimidating them with his shadowcat. So, while we don't truly know, I think it's safe to say neither Orell or Varamyr ever attempted to send an animal host across the barrier of the Wall before. Also, we know that Haggon warned against the adoption of birds. Other animals were considered more preferable. So it might be that birds were rare for skinchanger-employment. Again, it's impossible to say, but surely any non-flying animal hosts would have been hard pressed to attempt such crossings. Regarding you last point, gathering intel does seem like the most basic and obvious use to we modern readers with our modern concerns... but we see in the text that it is a far more fluid relationship. Bran slips into Summer often because he likes to run and hunt. He slips into Hodor when he wants strength. Varamyr slipped into a shadowcat for the purpose of raping women. The uses are many and varied. And it has been a very long time since any King Beyond the Wall has mounted an assault against the Night's Watch. Not exactly. Here's the passage you're thinking of: A Dance with Dragons - Bran III There is a difference, in my opinion, between a raven retaining a fragment of a long-dead skinchanger and an animal that is being inhabited by a living skinchanger. I am not arguing that host-animals can never cross the Wall. I am only saying that the Wall is a barrier that blocks the connection between host and skinchanger quite absolutely (see Jon and Ghost). If one attempts to violate that firewall, say, by sending one's consciousness over the Wall inside of an eagle, there are severe consequences. No lasers, but yes, I do imagine an extreme amount of cosmic radiation incinerating the host animal as the result of a magical ward. Imo, we see a similar case when Euron's mate blows the Valyrian horn. The horn didn't shoot lasers at the dude's lungs, but clearly the magic caused him to burn up from the inside. Rather than view this cosmic radiation (see the real world's starry winds of winter) as attacking the animal in question, I think it blocks and attacks the bond that exists between the host-animal and the skinchanger. Jon experienced what this is like when passively disconnected from his wolf. Varamyr experienced what this is like when actively connected to his eagle. No worries. Glad you liked it! It would be far easier for me to respond if you posted in the thread at the Last Hearth, though. Happy to here, but I'm there more often and the Hearth works better on mobile (not to mention, our servers don't crash the way westeros.org's tend to do).
  14. LOL! ditto! and deal. T'would be much easier for us to do so at the Last Hearth, though.