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  1. To steer the thread slightly back towards its tracks, let me weigh in with my opinion. I think the author is morally, but not legally of course, obligated to provide closure to their fans. There is an implied agreement that, whatever happens, the followers should get to know how the story goes in the end. That being said, closure can mean a lot of things (maybe more/fewer/other things than I think, English is not my first language). It doesn't necessarily mean the author should crap out a sequel just for the sake of finishing a story, actually that should probably be avoided at all costs. It can mean the story gets its ending and the series is wrapped up nicely. It can mean the author makes it clear they are unable to finish it. It can mean a brusque and depressive "don't expect anything more from this series, I'm not", or "the trilogy is open-ended and book two provided that open ending". It can mean a news bulletin announcing the author's passing. Any of those would serve as closure, although some way less satisfying than others. But at least they all state, more or less clearly, which page of the story is officially the last one. What should not happen, at any rate, is prolonged uncertainty. The series can be open-ended, but the state of the series should not be left hanging. If the author is unable to finish the work, and self-aware enough to realize it will not be done in the foreseeable future bar a drastic change of circumstances/motivation, that message should reach those eagerly waiting for more news. An unfinish work can still inspire feelings in its readers. After turning the last page with words on it, it's up to the reader to imagine what happens next. That imagination can sometimes provide a better story than an uninspired author could. But the words "to be continued" imply that the story is intended to continue from the pen of the author, making the reader's imagination a less "authentic" provider of continuation. As long as a sequel remains a possibility, it will always mean the "official" story is still going on, unfinished. TL;DR: There is no legal obligation to finish the story, or even a moral one. But if the author gives up on their work, they should be expected to let their fans know.
  2. Indeed. That twist was something I hadn't anticipated in the slightest. Wonder how (not if!) it will affect the rest of the series. Looking forward to read it when it comes out, at any rate!
  3. Spoilers for Episode 6:
  4. I'm usually of the opinion that 90 % of the posts in the rant threads are just made for the sake of picking the episode apart. Therefore, I tend to avoid the threads. However, the plot line beyond the wall was such an incoherent clusterfudge from its conception to its aftermath that an "oh, it was all a dream and I'm still on Dragonstone and we're mining dragonglass" ending would actually have improved it at this point. The... incident... has been covered so extensively by now that I guess that the original contribution I could make would be to point out that the chains would be more likely to tear the head off the dragon than pulling it out of the water. It's stuck under the ice, and a lot of force is applied. At the very least, its neck would be soundly broken in a dozen places.
  5. Worse still... they had a long, nice lake to drag those chains across. Hundreds of wights per length of chain. Sounds like sufficient force to tear the dragon's head off pull the dragon out of the lake. I guess its neck would be pretty broken now, though. Effectively, they've hanged the dragon with iron collars, via the pull of chains and friction rather than the pull of gravity, but the same principle is at work. There would be a lot of dislocated disks in that dragon neck at the very least. And for some reason, the work leader decided to let the front of the columns walk up a hill while pulling. Congratulations, all those men at the front are now worse than useless. The force they pull with would pull the chains taut - that is, a straight line from the top of the hillside to the dragon - thereby lifting the middle and end of the columns (who are still marching on flat ice) up in the air, instead of helping them put horizontal force on the dragon. Okay, arguably this is the direction they want to pull the dragon in in the first place (out of the ice instead of along the lakebed), but then the rear of the columns just weigh the chains down and pull in the wrong direction anyway. In either case, only half the men are actually doing something to get the dragon out of the lake, the other half are making it harder. Rope pulling only helps when everybody is pulling in the same direction. These guys had a bend in the chains - against the direction of gravity, no less - which would make the contribution of roughly half the members completely useless. No wonder why we see the chains are actually quite slack between the dragon and the rearmost pullers. Oh, and the timelines didn't quite add up either. But that has been extensively covered in this thread already. All I could contribute at this point was a bit of cable theory.
  6. I can only imagine all the training that lay behind that one shot. Imagine how many training shots the Night King needs to have taken to be able to throw that accurately. On the tundra, day in and day out, throwing javelins at wighted birds or whatever. Maybe he had pulled a tendon a couple of times and had to rest for a few weeks, before going back out to the range. I can imagine his early throws going wildly off target, the stupid bird flying in figure 8s above the range, the javelin landing nowhere near it. How many days did the Night's King throw his icicle to the ground and stomp angrily to the wardrobe for a long, nice, cold shower? How many times did he slip and fall, or flunk his throw? How many icy swear words has he shouted after missing by only centimetres due to an erratic gust of wind? How great was his hit percentage before he decided to call his training sufficient to hit a dragon-sized target? Does he practise with tree branches or other javelins every day while on the march? Is that why they only had 2-3 javelins left? And I wonder if that other guy who handed him the javelin has been his caddie for long, or how that arrangement came to be? They didn't seem to verbally communicate, so the caddie must have learned to read his boss' subtle movements for "bring me a javelin, size 4, I think". Did he compliment his master for a well-thrown shot? Or comfort him after he missed Drogon? Or has he learned from experience to keep his tongue tied when his master throws a bad shot? Since there were only a handful of javelins left, did he have to go pick up the one that missed?
  7. That zombie bear was hacked apart, battered, and even set on fire. It kept on fighting. One prick with the obsidian dagger, though, and it fell to the ground like a sack of ash. In a universe of consistent logic, mass arrow fire with obsidian arrows would bring a wighted dragon down in seconds. Keep in mind that their effective fire-spewing range is a lot shorter than the range of a longbow (some 50 meters or so, apparently depending on the needs of the scene). A scorpion hit like the one Bronn scored on Drogon would cause the dragon to fall apart in mid-air, possibly without even slowing the bolt down. As for defeating the army of the dead, daggers like used in the show seems like the wrong way to go. Even arrowheads would be suboptimal. If they want to truly stop the dead, they need to make obsidian caltrops. Find a chokepoint, scatter caltrops with catapults, bait the army into rushing forward. For every pricked foot, a warrior drops inert to the ground. Advanced strategies would involve obsidian-tipped barbed wire, strung out at face height or in concertina arrangements so the mounds of dead bodies won't create a footbridge across the "mine"field. The good ol' Saddam strategy might work well too, the wights have proven stupid enough to walk into deadly obstacles by the hundreds before sensing the danger, but I don't think Westeros has any oil fields to set ablaze.
  8. The thread title asks "Who or what will die beyond the Wall". For this particular mission, logic died on Dragonstone. "Let's send our dearest and most valuable men, including our top three military commanders, beyond the Wall - alone - to personally capture a wight we could show to Cersei, that would surely convince her to agree to an armistice!" This proposal was not meant with a "What, no!", or an "Are you drunk?", or "I can think of a million other plans we could try first", or even a "Good idea, but uh, how exactly are the logistics going to work out there?". Heck, even a "Let's bring a sled we can lash the captured wight to!" might have saved logic to some degree. But no, six valuable men on foot with no equipment to speak of was the plan they went with. Logic was well and soundly dead long before they got to the Wall.
  9. There's an enemy fortress and fleet parked right in the middle of the only sea route out of King's Landing, which is the only proper port on the east coast of Westeros that the Iron Throne controls. That's normally a very effective blockade that would make it impossible to transport any large amount of gold to Braavos, or to sellsword companies. If that logistical challenge is never brought up (actually, it is explicitly ignored, since we've seen Euron use the route past Dragonstone at least three times after Daenerys took it), it's safe to assume that a lot of things will be lumped into that blind spot too.
  10. I'd say everybody, apart from Jon. This whole expedition reeks of the writers' need to: Show the viewers how dangerous the Army of the Dead is (even though main characters have trekked up and down the continent multiple times in the time it took this army to march on the Wall). Create some action scenes north of the Wall, for whatever flimsy reason. Kill off a few named characters, both to cut loose threads and for the shock value of lots of beloved characters dying. So I guess Beric and Thoros are toast (well, to the extent icy wights can "toast" anything), they have no purpose in the final five-or-so episodes that other characters can't resolve. Sandor too, he might redeem himself by sacrificing his life to save some of his companions (anyway, his only remaining purpose would be to kill the reanimated Mountain, which frankly is a job that could be done just as nicely by others). Jorah needs to get out of the way too, so a love triangle won't eat too much of Daenerys' screentime (five episodes left after the next, remember). Gendry was quite possibly written out of the show when he got on that rowboat, and intended never to return. But the writers noticed that fans noticed that he hadn't got a proper ending, and his absence was becoming memetic. So they brought him back in, so he can be killed off in a proper, definitely-the-end-of-the-character way. He is a loose thread, only brought back to be ripped out properly. That leaves Tormund to account for: I'm sorry, but I think he's toast (or, uh... slush?) too. Dead beyond the wall, in his homeland. The series previously stated that "the Wildlings went to Eastwatch", which is to say "Every remaining Wildling is at Eastwatch". Keep in mind that there is nothing left in Dorne after the Sand Snakes died, that entire region just faded away with the death of its leadership - same goes for the Reach, which is apparently nothing but Highgarden. The series has a habit of hyper-concentrating things, not as much happening on a large continent as on a sea of tiny islands. Anyway, with the Wildlings all at Eastwatch, left a faceless group with their leader dead, the Wall looming above them, and a huge Plot Point army on the other side? There is no way this won't end with the Wall falling, and a subsequent massacre. Time will tell whether Davos dies in that battle too. I'd also throw in Benjen there somewhere. Not sure if he lives or dies or turns evil. But there's no way he won't be there.
  11. The best line in that regard was from last season: "You're here at Winterfell, and a battle is looming. The Knights of the Vale are encamped at Moat Cailin, they will come to your aid." (heavily paraphrased, I can't remember the exact wording). They might as well have said "You're in Helsinki, and a battle is looming, but don't worry. Some dudes on horseback are encamped just outside Madrid". Then again, this season is pretty egregious too. It's not like the opening cinematic shows Dragonstone completely dominating the sea route in and out of King's Landing, or there being an entire continent to sail around to get to Casterly Rock...
  12. Paraphrasing: "I've grown used to him [the King in the North]". As for your second question, I can't remember.
  13. This episode began pretty much exactly as I had expected! Jaime and Bronn break the surface, crawling ashore. The only thing I was wondering about was which of them would surface first. One issue, though: Tyrion says to the Tarlys: "This war has already destroyed one great house". How is he counting to only end up with one? The Baratheons are goners for sure. And the Tyrells, and the Tullys. You can argue about the Martells. Frey and Bolton were warden houses when their last members died. Also, I guess we will lose a half-dozen named characters in the next episode. So long, everybody who crossed the Wall except for Jon!