Mal Malenkirk

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  1. She realized it was her husband who was infertile, not her, and she took a lover?
  2. There could be tons of reasons for no mention of Elia's reactions, starting by simply not being present during the tournament and the crown ceremony. She was pregnant at the time after all, and pregnant women are not fond of sitting for several hours on a bench to watch a sporting event. Based on the pregnant women I've known, anyway. In such a case, a husband would still be expected to award the crown to his wife in abstentia with a cute comment about the fact she is bearing his child. Just as likely is she was not in plain sight. The high nobles would often have balconies and veils to isolate them and afford them some privacy, precisely so that their reactions to whatever happens do not became gossip fodder.
  3. It tells you what? That she knew in advance? That she had a tight emotional control and a good pokerface? That we are not told because she was in a balcony with a veil to protect from the sun and no one saw her reaction? That she wasn't even there? Anyway, I don't really read the wolrdbook so tell me: Do you have a quote that says: ''Princess Elia did not react''? Or are you simply pointing out the fact that there are no quotes describing her reaction? Because these two situations are not remotely similar.
  4. Or maybe they would consummate such love if they could get away with it without facing dire consequence. We hardly know these people. Hell, maybe they did consummate and didn't get caught! What do we know. Your view of human behaviour seems highly idealized to me.
  5. It's possible... But I assume he was smitten and did something stupid because of it until we see better clues. And I'm not saying he did not scheme to have his father deposed, I'm just saying that being smitten can lead you to do things that are otherwise counterproductive to your goals. These things happens all the time. In other words, I don't need to reconciliate his subtler and more rational actions with his actions in regards to Lyanna. He had plans, they got fucked up because he was smitten. Happens to the best of us.
  6. King's Guard should be fine, though we know some of them have broken their vows so it depends on which King's guard does it. But married men have affairs very commonly. A married man giving the crown to another woman adds to the scandal, it doesn't prevent it. And why would people seeing Rhaegar give the crown to Lyanna not assume he was courting her in public under cover of courtly love? They don't know him personally and nobles tends not to be discreet about their affairs. As I said, contemporary to real courtly love have criticized the gimmicks entouring tehse rituals as being ways to facilitate illicit affairs under the cover just honoring women chastely. And maybe you believe people in those time period were much more virtuous than we are now, but I expect they were just as libidinous as we are today. When the MVP of the tournament singles out a woman in attendance and says she's hot, he wants to bang her more often than not if she'll let him. We're talking basic human nature, here. So maybe Rhaegar didn't mean it that way, but I can see why everybody else did.
  7. Yeah, there are some basic rules of etiquette that border on common sense. You are married and won a tournament? Name your wife Queen of Love and Beauty. Doesn't matter is she's fat, if you hate her or if you actually are having an affair with the woman you intend to give the crown to. You name your wife! I bet a Westerosi stand-up comedian make a killing bit over that incident...
  8. That's smack in the list of potential non-scandalous nomination I mentioned (the last one in the 3rd paragraph). Naming the highest ranking woman present 'Queen of love and Beauty' shouldn't be scandalous because people would not assume a knight that isn't part of the regular court of the Queen would be in position to start an affair. Was he ever in position where an affaire was a possibility in the eyes of the people? Was she married? That would determine the scandal. And do note that Bonifer was indeed in love with Rhaella so that would be an example of giving the crown with lust in your intent.
  9. In traditional courtly love, it certainly can be construed as a signal that you think a woman is hot and you wouldn't mind having an affair with her. Doesn't mean she'll immediately spread her legs, of course, but it can be seen a signal of interest on the part of the man. Many contemporary writer of the middle-age wrote (often with disaproval) that the mores of courtly love (of which the crowning of a queen of Love and beauty is a part) was designed to hide and/or facilitate illicit affairs. If you won a tournament and don't want to cause a scandal, you'd give the crown to your wife. If you are not married but want to start an honorable courtship, you can give it to an ummarried lady of comparable standing. This could be the start of a successful and not scandalous courtship if the father judge you a good match. If you are not married and don't want to send the wrong message, you can probably give the crown to a sister or to the properly married and respectable highest ranking lady in attendance, assuming no reasonable man could believe you would be in a position to start an affair. But if you are married and give the crown to a pretty young woman who is fiancee to someone else? Sure, I can see the scandal. And yes, it can be seen as an invitation to lust. It doesn't mean that's what Rhaegar meant, but it sure as hell can be interpreted like that because it's a given plenty of knights before meant it like that. Or do you think in real life no affair were ever started when a dashing knight gave the crown to a pretty woman? These guys were superstars of their time and the attendance was full of the equivalent of groupies. It's as if a major sport MVP singled out a woman and told the world he thing she's hot. Of course it often leads to affairs. It's basic human nature, really.
  10. For what it's worth, a truly Blue rose is an impossible color to attain (in nature, anyway). It requires some form of trickery (genetic manipulation, dyes, satisfying yourself with a more lilac color that looks blue in a certain light etc.). Since it's an 'impossible' flower, it's used often to symbolize impossible love. Or, as one source put it, giving one to a woman means: "I can't have you but I can't stop thinking about you" There might bit a deeper, convoluted reason why Rhaegar gave the blue roses to Lyanna. But I think he was simply smitten. It happens, you know. A lot more often than complicated conspiracies, as a matter of fact. Which does not mean he wasn't otherwise conspiring to depose his father, but his actions toward Lyanna could easily have been in spite of his main goal, not in support of it. Humans are not machine and if we were always perfectly rational, history would be a lot less bloody than it is.
  11. Without delving in speculations about obtuses prophecy and instead relying on the narrative, I will ask this: Arya can't be everywhere and kill everyone and there's only so much pages left in the saga. If Martin writes about Arya killing Petyr, he's not using her for something else in the meantime. Who seriously thinks Martin will 'waste' Arya for a few chapters of stalking and killing Petyr Baelish, a man she barely knows by sight and currently resides far away of Winterfell or King's Landing, her natural poles of attractions? What payoff does that provide? Martin is not writing fan fiction for the subset of readers who specifically hate Petyr, dislike/are indifferent to Sansa and love Arya. He has a greater tale to tell, and as of ADwD I fail to see how having Arya out of the blue killing Petyr will serve a greater narrative purpose. It does not strike me as a particularly valuable use of a character.