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  1. Adara vs. Jaehaera

    Just how disabled was Jaehaera? We hear that she did not laugh. Well, we have heard of Adara. Adara rarely smiled, mostly in winter, and never laughed or cried, even when in serious pain. She did talk, certainly by the time she was five. Was Jaehaera seriosly intellectually disabled? Or was it just emotional problem, and she had otherwise normal intelligence?
  2. Maegor´s challenge

    Because it seems to me that anyone successfully killing a dragon should have been a big deal. The bad news about Aegon should then have been not that Aegon was under siege, but that both Aegon´s and Rhaena´s dragons had been killed.
  3. Maegor´s challenge

    Yes, but we have some evidence. Aenys had a dragon - and we see that he used it to leave progress behind when needed. That Aegon and Rhaena did not use dragons to suppress the rebellion, nor escape the siege of Crakehall, strongly suggests that neither of them had a dragon. That´s the least unlikely of several possibilities. Because if they had dragons, they would have been expected to use them. The least unlikely explanation is that they were indeed dragonless. It was a council of lords, not maesters. It is not clear whether they had a training to consider law regardless of consequences, nor that anyone asked them to. He might have done so. He was heir presumptive - it was likely that if Baelon duly reigned, he would not disinherit his elder son in favour of his niece despite the niece having the better claim. Yet in seven years, he did not bother (or dare) to do so - running for throne as a 24 year old dragonless prince against dragonriders. This suggests that having a dragon was not seen as so urgent - supporting the plausibility of Rhaena and Aegon having been dragonless at 19 and 16.
  4. Maegor´s challenge

    Agreed. But if Rhaena was not a dragonrider in 42, then a dragon of course would not have accompanied her. ... except we know these specific Targaryens did have dragons who naturally would have accompanied their riders while travelling. Showing off their dragons was not the whole point of a royal progress. Aegon was accompanied by six maesters and as many as a thousand knights. Balerion did not carry a thousand knights. Non-dragonriders accompanying the Targaryen on ground slowed the progress to speed of land travel. If the point were showing off dragons, Aegon could have gone on royal progresses alone on Balerion, like the solo missions of Visenya/Vhagar to Eyrie, or Rhaenys/Meraxes to Sunspear. They were aged 16 and 19. If from the experience of Aegon, royal progresses were seen as a way for Targaryens to show face, bring their court along and dispense honour and patronage, then it would have been natural to send them on progress - even if Targaryens were experimenting with how to display dragonless royals. Grand Council of 101 ended up supporting Viserys even though he was dragonless, and dragonriding Targaryen alternatives did exist at that point (Daemon, Rhaenys, Laenor).
  5. Maegor´s challenge

    If Aegon or Rhaena had any dragons, why were they trapped in Crakehall by rebellion? Why did they not simply put the would-be besiegers to dragonfire, or use their dragons to fly Crakehall for more comfort at King´s Landing or Dragonstone? If Rhaena had Dreamfyre, where was it for four years? Westeros is full of people. Westeros is not full of dragons. It would have been hard to conceal whereabouts of Dreamfyre, Vermithor or Silverwing anywhere. People would have noticed and talked. It would have been possible to avoid getting caught - by being constantly on the move around Westeros, flying away before Balerion or Vhagar arrived, like Vhagar would do avoiding Caraxes and Sheepstealer. Or flying out of Westeros. But Maegor and whole Westeros would have known where dragons were. An alternative is that Rhaena, Alyssa, Jaehaerys and Alysanne were completely dragonless, hiding as people, and Dreamfyre, Vermithor and Silverwing were riderless/never tamed, accounted for and under Maegor´s control, such as on Dragonstone.
  6. Maegor´s challenge

    What counts as winning Trial by Seven? Ditto by single combat, in fact. Is the combat won by last one standing, or last one breathing? Also, what would have happened if Maegor´s side won, but Maegor fell? Edit: seems that "an accused" falling counts as losing. But what happens to loser´s six mates? What is their stake in risking to win, rather than letting the principals fight?
  7. Maegor´s challenge

    Aegon the Conqueror did introduce incest and polygamy to Westeros. Under Maegor´s banner, not Aegon´s. In which case Maegor could have said so in answer to Gawen - either instead of beheading, or after beheading.
  8. Maegor´s challenge

    An obvious point would have been Jaehaerys I calling the first Great Council in 101. Until then, there would have been just one Council to talk about. The members of Aenys´ Council may have had the example of Gawen´s death to discourage others from confronting Maegor, but they did afterwards have the practical opportunity to slink away as soon as Maegor wasn´t looking. We do not have the story of how Aegon got Quicksilver, but he clearly did not have it in 42 when Aenys died. There is no evidence of Rhaena having had Dreamfyre before 47. As for Jaehaerys, 8 years old in 42, and Alysanne, 6 years old in 42, we know they eventually got dragons, but no idea when. For Alyssa and Viserys, there is no evidence of dragon. It is wholly plausible that from 44 to 47, Maegor was the only person who had ever ridden a dragon, and the only Targaryen known to be left alive - except by each hidden party themselves and their close accomplices.
  9. Maegor´s challenge

    Who were the members of Aenys´ Small Council, besides Grand Maester Gawen? Also: the first time Rhaena is actually attested as rider of Dreamfyre was when she fled her husband Maegor.
  10. Maegor´s challenge

    Just because Aenys had died did not eliminate the right to avenge Faith Militant or High Septon for their rebellion. Aenys I-s court and family could say - "No thanks, we´d prefer his son Aegon - you can be just Aegon´s castellan till you´ve rescued him from Crakehall." Faith Militant and High Septon had been in rebellion against Aenys, so they did not have that right.
  11. Maegor´s challenge

    On the other hand, Faith Militant had had their chance to obey Aenys. And had rebelled in the first place. Maegor did not owe them terms, or warning. And a warning could have led to Faith Militant evacuating Sept of Remembrance and scattering among civilian population in King's Landing or outside. If people were already rallying around Targaryen banner, issuing a challenge to Battle of Seven would be stupid. Maegor could have spared those who rallied to him, and burn those who rallied to Sept.
  12. Maegor´s challenge

    He also had the option to permit Maegor and Visenya to do so, which they had been asking for. He himself could easily have stayed safe above bowshot scouting for them.
  13. Maegor´s challenge

    Oddly, during Aegon's conquest, the then High Septon threatened that unless Oldtown submits, Hightower, Starry Sept and Citadel would burn. Would Aegon really have done that? Oldtown is big and stony. Maegor burnt Sept of Remembrance, not Red Keep. Aegon could easily have burnt Hightower and spared Starry Sept and Citadel, had he so wanted. And Aenys, Visenya or Maegor could, if desired, have burnt Starry Sept sparing Hightower and Citadel. When Maegor seized the throne, he declared Grand Maester a traitor for suggesting Aegon I,5 had right to throne. But we never hear Maegor offering any justification at all for his seizure of throne. He could have many. He might say that Valyrian law was different than Andal law and that under Valyrian law, incest and polygamy were allowed, and so was inheritance of uncle over nephew He might say that Aenys had lost and abandoned his kingdom, and therefore had little rights to bequeath to Aegon I,5 - that Maegor was reconquering the kingdom of his own effort and on his own dragon, and therefore Aegon I,5 was entitled to nothing except what Aegon I,5 would reconquer by his own effort (Crakehall) He might say that Aegon I,5 was disqualified from throne by not being a dragonrider (Aegon I,5 would die a year later on Quicksilver, therefore must have been dragonless when Quicksilver's previous owner had just died) None of these arguments is unarguable, of course - but spelling out at least some pretext would have provided a guide for people who wanted to support Maegor or were scared of him to rally under. Hugh the Hammer did say that having a dragon was right enough, and had been so for Aegon, and Daeron was too young. Maegor had, if anything, better right than Hugh - and Aegon I,5, a worse one than Daeron (slightly older, but dragonless). Also, Maegor executed Grand Maester summarily, without bothering to provide any albeit weak answer at all. Yet the High Septon guilty of most flagrant treasons lived for two years after Maegor's accession - and then died "mysteriously". Maegor failed to set a precedent of openly and avowedly executing a High Septon for treason.
  14. Maegor´s challenge

    Why did Visenya issue the challenge to Battle of Seven? She had urged Aenys to put Sept of Remembrance and Starry Sept to dragonfire. After landing at Red Keep, they could have proceeded to do so, perhaps after some delay to allow people to rally to them, flee or negotiate - not fight a man to man combat. Aegon and Visenya had not sought or accepted man to man combat - they had put dragonfire against armies. So why offer equal human fight? Also: Maegor took a heavy head wound. Did it affect his health afterwards? His mind? If Maegor had not fought a Battle of Seven and got the head would, could he have been more balanced in his reign?
  15. Jaehaerys I was a usurper.

    No one allowed Vhagar to Aemond, either.