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  1. There WAS a bad precedent within these 300 years. Laughing Storm. Lord Lyonel Baratheon declared himself Storm King - the last so far that we know of. He... well, did cease to be King, but... He did not lose his head. Nor did Aegon´s "mercy" to him mean packing him off to Wall in golden chains. Nor was he stripped naked and delivered to King by his own men, like the previous Storm Queen had been. Rather, the Targaryen King disinherited his eldest son and heir, and promptly delivered up his daughter Rhaelle to the (ex)Storm King as captive/hostage. Sounds like Storm King won, after all. Overthrowing Aerys and Targaryen Dynasty to make Baratheons Dynasty on Iron Throne, as eventually happened, were not the only options. There were obvious precedents as alternatives. Imposing a humiliating surrender on King Aerys, as had been done with Aegon. Or making Robert an independent Storm King, as Lyonel had claimed. Certainly if mere cancelling an engagement on demand of the engaged boy justified rebellion and declaration of kingdom, then kidnapping the fiancee (Lyanna certainly was not openly advertising the affair as a consensual elopement) was more of a justification, and calling for Lord´s head for no cause, just as a precaution, much more so!
  2. We don´t actually hear what was or was not discussed, by whom and when.
  3. Technical question re: the God's Eye

    Look at how far the mapped rivers are from each other. Obviously a lot of smaller rivers and tributaries are omitted from the map. The lake cannot drain by the river for the simple reason that the bottom of the river at outlet is higher than the bottom of the lake. If, in case of drought, the lake evaporated down to the level of outlet sill, the outflow river would become a trickle or completely dry, but the lake would remain. The lake would be fed both by rain falling on water surface, and by water draining from the surrounding areas by a number of individually small, unmapped streams and by groundwater discharging at lake bottom. An exercise you could try is: map not just rivers but also water divides...
  4. Valyria and Gender

    No - that's the point. A dragon or dragonlord may be killed, captured or separated, neutralizing the threat from the dragon, but that's not a positive asset for the one doing the neutralizing. Yes. And these families were not equal in influence. A dragonlord family might gain numbers and influence by welcoming dragonlords defecting from their birth families. Sure, they might try. Then the matter comes to reaction time. As the quarrel escalates, who strikes first? Valyria has slavery. Meaning that if a slave of one dragonlord family felt unhappy with his or her owner and wanted another employer, then another master would be a good neighbour to the original master and return the runaway property, rather than employ a willing servant. And Valyria must have had laws and institutions to enforce ownership of slaves - meaning that even the most powerful dragonlord family could not employ a runaway slave, because they'd be sued for possessing stolen property, and unite other dragonlord families against them. Did the laws of Valyria also recognize dragonlords as slaves of their head of family, and permit any dragonlord family to be sued for harbouring a runaway? Also, only landowners can vote in Volantis. Can a landless noble legally be elected as a Triarch? Such as, a middle-aged military hero whose father happens to be elderly but alive and as such the owner of family property?
  5. Valyria and Gender

    But the Reach army could not find a rider for Silverwing - and that forced them to retreat in defeat. In Westeros, a grown nobleman has received years of military training, as Donal Noye pointed out - something that a random commoner boy lacks. A fit and trained noble is an asset even if he has no property - a man like Jon Snow, Robar Royce, Sandor Clegane or Brynden Tully, disinherited and out of favour with his birth family, can find employment not available for a commoner. In Valyria, a dragonlord dissatisfied with or ejected from his birth family might offer the services of himself and his dragon to some of the other 39 families. How did Valyrian society handle second-rank dragonlords, ones alienated from their families and available for anyone willing to recruit them?
  6. The Kingsgard's Squires

    No, not strictly. Duncan showed up at Ashford Tourney without a squire and called himself a knight. Standfast had 3 knights - ser Eustace, ser Bennis and Duncan. Of which 3 only Duncan had a squire. Obviously Standfast had no squire at all before Duncan and Aegon signed up. But a knight who has to do squire´s job for himself is not a knight 24/7 the way a knight who does have a squire is. You don´t want to fill the limited number of 7 Kingsguard with low level hedge knights like ser Bennis, or semiretired people like ser Eustace. Well, maybe a few eldest Brethren stop needing to actually use and maintain their arms in their dotage, like ser Harlan Grandison - but ser Barristan is not yet at that point. If anything, with less stamina in old age, Barristan has more need of squires. Would the 7 Kingsguard need 7 individually assigned squires, though? Or can a bunch of several knights living together share services of a squire?
  7. The Kingsgard's Squires

    Because you don´t want to guard your King while short of a breastplate stretcher? Because, since the number of actual Kingsguard members is capped at 7, you don´t want half of your Kingsguard on off shifts doing menial but essential jobs like polishing their breastplates or sewing their white cloaks if squires can do that job?
  8. Valyria and Gender

    Ownership of land and slaves is a social convention. Ownership of dragons is not. Meaning that a runaway dragonlord on a stolen dragon is an asset - the voluntary cooperation of the dragonlord matters, and cannot be taken from the dragonlord, because killing the dragonlord or capturing/separating her from the dragon leaves the dragon out of control. Essos has no dragons, since Doom. Nor any ravens. Nor do glass candles work. Braving a hail of arrows to get within fire range of foes carries some risk. But carrying messages at a speed no slower than ravens, staying above bowshot over hostile areas, is something that is not much risk, and which even a woman or indeed a child could do. And aerial reconnaissance cannot be done by ravens because they do not talk. (Wargs could do that, but are not common in Westeros or Essos). How much do you think could a runaway dragonrider earn in Essos? Like Saera, Gael, Rhaenyra, Nettles... Could Rhaenyra, just by the messenger and reconnaissance services, earn more than ser Criston risking his life by fighting on land (which many other men could)? Could Rhaenyra, Gael or Saera have earnt enough with her dragon to support a bunch of bastards and a toyboy at some comfort?
  9. But Daemon was. Why did Daemon not simply put Tyrosh to dragonfire?
  10. Castle garrison sizes

    Near me, a medieval castle with 600 m long outer wall circuit of just 7 m height had a normal peacetime garrison of 50.
  11. The urban emphasis of Free Cities should have put them at a disadvantage against dragons. Dorne could resist dragons by evacuating visible castles and scattering for guerrilla. Compare Pentos and their Flatlands. Tillers and toilers bound to land exist. But landowners live within city walls and rarely visit, leaving even supervision to subordinates if possible. If the city were put to dragonfire, then nobles escaping to countryside would find themselves out of place without the habit of living in their countryside and hunting there. And the tillers and toilers bound to soil might not be inclined to rally to nobles who show up for the first time as fugitives - they might prefer to do their duty to the lord now sitting in the charred ruins of the city and apprehend the fugitives. What would have happened to Three Whores if Daemon and Caraxes had simply flown to Tyrosh and put the city to dragonfire?
  12. Adara vs. Jaehaera

    Just how disabled was Jaehaera? We hear that she did not laugh. Well, we have heard of Adara. Adara rarely smiled, mostly in winter, and never laughed or cried, even when in serious pain. She did talk, certainly by the time she was five. Was Jaehaera seriosly intellectually disabled? Or was it just emotional problem, and she had otherwise normal intelligence?
  13. Maegor´s challenge

    Because it seems to me that anyone successfully killing a dragon should have been a big deal. The bad news about Aegon should then have been not that Aegon was under siege, but that both Aegon´s and Rhaena´s dragons had been killed.
  14. Maegor´s challenge

    Yes, but we have some evidence. Aenys had a dragon - and we see that he used it to leave progress behind when needed. That Aegon and Rhaena did not use dragons to suppress the rebellion, nor escape the siege of Crakehall, strongly suggests that neither of them had a dragon. That´s the least unlikely of several possibilities. Because if they had dragons, they would have been expected to use them. The least unlikely explanation is that they were indeed dragonless. It was a council of lords, not maesters. It is not clear whether they had a training to consider law regardless of consequences, nor that anyone asked them to. He might have done so. He was heir presumptive - it was likely that if Baelon duly reigned, he would not disinherit his elder son in favour of his niece despite the niece having the better claim. Yet in seven years, he did not bother (or dare) to do so - running for throne as a 24 year old dragonless prince against dragonriders. This suggests that having a dragon was not seen as so urgent - supporting the plausibility of Rhaena and Aegon having been dragonless at 19 and 16.
  15. Maegor´s challenge

    Agreed. But if Rhaena was not a dragonrider in 42, then a dragon of course would not have accompanied her. ... except we know these specific Targaryens did have dragons who naturally would have accompanied their riders while travelling. Showing off their dragons was not the whole point of a royal progress. Aegon was accompanied by six maesters and as many as a thousand knights. Balerion did not carry a thousand knights. Non-dragonriders accompanying the Targaryen on ground slowed the progress to speed of land travel. If the point were showing off dragons, Aegon could have gone on royal progresses alone on Balerion, like the solo missions of Visenya/Vhagar to Eyrie, or Rhaenys/Meraxes to Sunspear. They were aged 16 and 19. If from the experience of Aegon, royal progresses were seen as a way for Targaryens to show face, bring their court along and dispense honour and patronage, then it would have been natural to send them on progress - even if Targaryens were experimenting with how to display dragonless royals. Grand Council of 101 ended up supporting Viserys even though he was dragonless, and dragonriding Targaryen alternatives did exist at that point (Daemon, Rhaenys, Laenor).