Jay21

come to think of it I have no recollection of Arianne or Quentyn ever reminiscing about a scene in a godswood at any of their homes. you could be on to something.

interesting. I'm going to try and hunt that down. question was prompted by all of the weirwood in the house of black and white. just trying to get a feel for how strange that is or isn't before I start reading far too much into it. thanks

wierwoods appear to be native to Westeros. do we get any conformation of that or examples of weirwoods outside of Westeros? looked but never found.

Wow. I never considered this. This is why I come to these forums. Sure you see the same things posted day in and day out, but sometimes you come across a really original idea like this one. I tell you, if you turn out to be right and Jon isn't Ned's son that could be huge.

Golden Hand the just I think that the fact that that goofball Daario seems so strong is that they needlessly killed the better characters (and actors) around him. Selmy should have been making those calls in the aftermath of Dany's Neverending Story not that guy. And I thought that the original actor looked more the part- this guy's kind of plain.

I'll give it a 7. it was as good as any episode this season, but that's about it. I would say though that Cercei's walk of shame was magnificent. It would have been nice if they had done that in a different episode so that it wasn't upstaged by all of the deaths in the finale. I sort of get giving Brienne the chance to avenge Renley, but since they were clearly writing their own script on that one I would rather have seen Stannis shake his head at Queen Sylese' hanging body and then run and found and strangled Mel before facing his own end. I'm sure HBO's narrative could have handled killing her off and sliding up Moqorro or Thoros or just making up a new priestess. Arya/ Trant was fun in a revenge porn sort of way, but I thought that they would have jumped ahead to the end of Arya's time with the god of many faces not just blinded her for her transgression. We all know that she's coming back to Westeros with Needle and a thirst for blood. So there's no point in dragging out a meaningless storyline. I really didn't like the way they left Tyrion and Varys in charge of Mereen. We know that V has an important date back at King's landing, but the whole thing was too neat and easy. Darrio and Mormont say that T+V are in charge of the city so that's what goes? Whatever. That scene between Jamie and Marcella was starting to get creepy when her nose bled, so thank goodness for that. Still, I thought that Cercei's children were all supposed to be crowned before their deaths according to Magy. That Eleria Sand is a bloody poor loser in the TV show, Oberon made his own bed (in one of the most spectacular TV fights I've seen).

Weird event though, maybe Connington will pass the Greyscale to Danny instead of Jorah. It's interesting that the only thing that the producers though about Con and Griff was important enough to include was Greyscale. It's also interesting that the only part of their journey that was important enough to include was Tyrion's massive greyscale exposure in Valerya (originally the Rhoyne). Mormont is uncharacteristically indifferent to Dany's protection in that last scene, but would he really be careless enough to pass such an affliction to her? I have been of the belief for sometime that Tyrion 'the gargoyle' has contracted and will begin to transmit greyscale (though I wouldn't be surprised if he's himself resistant - death comes out of the dragon's mouth it doesn't go in, and yes, I think Tyrion's a 1/2 targ) in the coming books and that the disease is more than a side story but will be somehow intrinsic to the story's ultimate resolution, but could it be Typhoid Dany not Typhoid Tyrion? Or will it be Typhoid Dany and Tyrion will be somehow involved in a cure?

Wow you're really personally invested in these ratings, huh? I didn't vote it a 1, but I can understand people's (especially readers') frustration with where this season's horribly truncated storylines are going. There's a lot of pretty eye candy left, which makes the show enjoyable, but ignoring disappointment after disappointment when characters you wanted to see or storylines you enjoyed in the books are completely omitted in the mad quest to turn 2 massive books into 10 hour long episodes gets to be irritating.

7 as good as Hardhome and really as good as this season gets. I found the finale in the fighting pits to be underwhelming ( great special effects and all, I just thought that Danny and Miss standing there waiting for the axe - which you didn't have to read the books to know wasn't coming was kind of dumb and worse kind of boring). The rapprochement with Mormont was as awkward as it was perfunctory - and Tyrion, I don't recognise this character at all. WHERE DO WHORES GO!?! This little guy seems altogether too much at peace with himself and his lot. Despite those complaints I enjoyed watching the episode. The mood at the wall is perfect- you don't need to read the books to have an idea of how the next episode will end, it was all over Holly's face (that's the kid KW's name, right?). I don't much care for the way Ser Thorne is being portrayed since season 4, but the guy playing him does it amazingly. Perhaps that's the strength of the show (with the exception of Doctor Bashir) when the script and the story get weak the actors sell the Hell out of it. The whole Jamie and Bron in Dorne idiocy is only sustained by the strength of the two characters and some pretty pretty sandsnakes. Oh I almost forgot. Stannis torching his daughter was very difficult to stomach. Make that a 5 not a 7. Not because it was sensational and unnecessary but because it will be an unmendable rift between the King and his Hand. Without Ser Davos on one shoulder balancing Mel on the other Stannis is just a bad guy who's end is coming. With Davos around he sometimes appears to be the wronged man of destiny who will reclaim his rightful throne. A rift that wont heal between those two likely means that the character Stannis Baratheon is going to die sooner than later. I don't like the TV show telling me where the books are going.

I love this show! I started watching it before I read the books and it was Joffrey's death that prompted me to finally start reading. Unfortunately, I read about the defence of the Wall before I saw this episode. What a crummy episode! In about an hour they crammed every Hollywood action movie cliché into ASoIaF. The crap between Jon and Igrette was ridiculously overblown and the casting of Ser Allser as a capable and believable battle commander contradicted everything that we saw about the character up to that point. Overall, even after reading the books I am very impressed with a Game of Thrones (The Mountain and the Viper was perfect), but this single episode was poor and well beneath the standards set for the rest of the show.