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  1. BTW for those interested: I took a still of Eleanor's diary, because the voice-over does not read the complete 2 pages, and aside from one or two words deciphered the handwriting as follows: LEFT PAGE: “I have the strange feeling that never again will I see Woodes. Dreams come now, strange dreams all confound (?) with Spanish Armadas and Man O War, my Woodes sending a Galleon. How could that be possible. That he would done so to speak with an enemy, and such an enemy as Spain" RIGHT PAGE: "and Gov Raja who has a bloody vendetta to take care of with Woodes. [6] 1. I fear for my husband’s safety from men I’ve long called enemies, from men I once called friends. I will move heaven and earth to protect him. While playing this role, the limits of my influence are ever present” We only heard what follows after the [6]1, which I presume is a dating - 6th January [1716]. Now that part of her diary that was not voiced over is extremely interesting. Mrs. Hudson said it was the 24th the morning of 4x03, which is the same day that the pirates took Nassau town, and Eleanor fled to the Fort in 4x04, made her deal and Woodes sailed off in 4x05. So, the dream write-up surpassed the 12 crazy days after Christmas (12th night and the world order being on its head). And she's been having dreams about the Spanish coming and Woodes being with them. Eleanor had a deep enough connection to have informative dreams across time and space about Woodes and what was coming to the island, and she knew enough about the Manila Galeon story from Woodes to know that Raja had personal reasons to see Woodes dead.
  2. BTW that intro scene with Woodes galopping the island at night seemed a shout-out to Dick Turpin All we lacked was the intro music of Dick Turpin on that mad dash on a horse with scarf for a mask at night. Also noticed that De Groot called Woodes' ship the Eurydice, aka Orpheus's wife that Orpheus tries to retrieve from the underworld, but fails to do so (because he looks back before she's out) and only can be reunited with in death again. And there was this zoom in on his face when Billy talks how Flint killed Gates over a little bit of money (cough cough the Urca Gold as "little bit of money" ) and how if partners can be so easily separated they had no connection to begin with. That were painful words that Woodes does not want to believe. Eleanor's diary though talks about "moving heaven and earth". So, with the Orphic hint and Eleanor's words we are seeing a connection beyond the grave. This episode showed what a master liar and manipulator Flint has become. He had me beleive him almost when he talked about Madi in that way. But at his next opportunity he seeks Dooley as new partner to ditch Silver, because Silver's coming up with his own plans and not following Flint's orders anymore. Honestly, I love Toby Stephens' acting, but am so done with Flint since S3. Eleanor was definitely wrong when she believed Flint could be reasoned with. I hope Silver delivers him to Thomas Hamilton who'll not want to have anything to do with the man James McGraw has become. Still believe we're seeing Max's swan song, and Grandma Guthrie will be the one to do it. But she seems to may redeem herself in sacrificing herself for Anne's ake. I suspected Mrs. Mapleton might have been Grandma's agent. No confirmation on that yet, but I was right about expecting her to appear in 4x08.
  3. Was it? I'll have to look again. I thought it was the axe, because he used it on Jacob, who was killed by it. But it would explain it. Strange though: he fights Jacob with grappling axe and cutlass/hammer, but then hammer and cutlass against Billy? Why did he change weapons?
  4. Someone smashed the window in. That they included that sound, just at the end of the scene as Madi wouldn't wake and Eleanor sagged on top of her they gave us the clue. True that. I thought Hands had hacked in Billy's shoulder too in 4x05 with that axe. Axes don't make surface wounds to my recollection. And that beating would result in some broken ribs, no? That beating scene of 4x06 also reminded me of Silver's decision to pummel the guy that had attacked one of Madi's men. He offered himself up to Hornigold, even shot a brother, but it was a ruse in the end. Although I do believe Billy is genuine in his revenge feelings now. Flint back then warned Silver that he wasn't sure whether it was too little, too much, or not enough. On the other hand, if Billy had not surrendered and told Woodes about Madi, she'd already be sold into slavery. Silver and Flint would all be on their way to sack and conquer other islands and colonial towns that aren't Nassau. And Billy would still be stuck all by himself on the island, likely get caught, and killed.
  5. Exactly. I can't for the life of me imagine Spanish guys trying to get in a burning house to capture anyone. He's the only person who makes sense with that particular house and having a motivation to brave a fire to get whoever was inside out. An English solider and a maroon lying outside dead - he's the only one who could think "Madi and Eleanor are inside that house." No matter what his motivations are towards Silver, Flint or Woodes, both women would have value to him to take alive. Hmmmm, Billy the savior of women. He had Max too.
  6. For who got Madi out: rewatch the 4x06 Eleanor fighting scene towards the end. Just as Eleanor sags on top of Madi, unable to revive her, you can definitely cearly hear a glass window being smashed. It's right at the end, before it switches back to the fight at the Underhill plantation. The place is starting to burn, but not yet fully ablaze, and thus nowhere hot enough yet to make glass explode. Flint found Eleanor with one arm extended, half on her back and a blood trail as if she was dragged there. It was way too far from the house to do on her own, after the blood loss she had already suffered, even down from the stairs. And Billy was released by Ben Gunn before the fighting began, and the most logical location for him to seek shelter would have been Miranda's house. So, Billy arrived around the time Eleanor was crawling for the log and set the soldier on fire, smashed the window to get in safely (that solider likely had bolted the door from the inside to do his deadly work), dragged Eleanor out and carried unconscious Madi (he's big and strong enough for that). He got Eleanor far enough from the house so there was no danger for her to burn. Eleanor likely may have thought it was Flint, half conscious (smoke and blood loss), prompting Billy to take off with just Madi before Flint returned. He could not do any more for Eleanor than he did as Eleanor's fate was already sealed. However, Billy was wounded and could have carried Madi only so far. I'd say that while he rested for a moment, Madi came to, punched him or fought him and ran, straight into Woodes' soldiers rounding up survivors. That's how Billy knew that Woodes had Madi, and the only way she could ever be of use to him was by surrendering to Woodes. We'll get a non-detailed confirmation of it in 4x08. If Eleanor hadn't fought so hard - Madi would have been dead. If Billy hadn't shown up at Miranda's - Madi would have been dead. It's the only way to explain Madi got away that unscathed, the sound of glass being smashed, how the hell a weakened Eleanor could crawl that far while fire rages around her, and Billy not actually having Madi in his possession, and yet knowing she lives and is one of Woodes' prisoners. Love Grandma Guthrie. Pay very close attention to that conversation and the fact that she's doing needle-point. In the Eleanor embroidery scene, Max and Eleanor talked about "change". Eleanor assured her nothing fundamental would change so quickly. And while Eleanor had grandma's backbone, she also has a knack of acting the savior, especially with Max. Notice how Grandma Guthrie used the words "the cat slave to its hunger." Grandma Guthrie also asks Max which of the three roles she had in Nassau's story: the stray cat, the rescuer, or the bully. It is Max who tells grandma to "drown the damned" cat, which is very much like those fairytales where a manipulative imposter is first asked how she would punish an imposter, is then exposed and executed in the exact way she proposed the imposer to be punished. And the focus on Max not ever ending up as a slave again... hmmmm. Grandma Guthrie imo is seeing plenty of tomcats to be drowned,not just Flint. Eleanor thought Vane was the bully, the problem and took him out. While he was indeed a very physical danger, Flint and Rackham were as much as issue if not bigger than she had anticipated in S3. And she was completely blind to Max being an issue, how Max guilt-tripped her into doing things for her again, and again, and again. Grandma Guthrie has Max and Jack thinking she'll make Rogers pay and only sees Flint as a problem, but she's taking out Max and Rackham. No matter who dies between Rackham and Flint, taht's at least one of the two gone for her. And Max is quite close at hand to take care of by herself. Who of the Guthries helped and ensured that Richard kept some support from Boston - the contacts, the provisions? It was Granny. As a mother she loved Richard and killed the tomcat for him. So, she's the likeliest one who monitored Nassau quite thoroughly imo. She would have known about Eleanor managing those pirates all those years, Vane being the murderer of her son and Eleanor taking him out, Max taking over Eleanor's business, using Eleanor's demise for her own profit between S2 and S3, and now trying to do so again. Berringer could not actually get to Max in 4x03, because Eleanor protected her. Billy could not get to her in 4x04, because Silver and Eleanor protected her. But Granny Guthrie will. Max stayed in Philly with Anne. Now, Anne is the other "savior" who usually protects Max, except this time Anne cannot fight for her. So, Max - our stray cat - is all alone and having to face a cat drowner. And she totally does not know it. Is she really an issue? Yes. There is a detail oddity in 4x06. At the end of 4x05 Max sees the Spanish fleet arriving. Then in 4x06 she's calm and unphased while Mr. Soames and Frasier discuss whether to put up resistance against the Spanish or not. She says nothing of Eleanor. And her face shows no worry over Eleanor in the interior at all either. Then Lnt Utley comes down from the battlements to inform them that the lead ship sent Rogers' signal and ordered them to stand down. That's when we first see Max have a worried look. Then Mr. Soames says - well, we must follow the governor's orders. And Max begins to look fearful and nervous, biting her lip. And that's when she brings up "What about Eleanor?" for the first time. Now, if Max's primary worry was for Eleanor's safety, wouldn't she be at least just as worried about her, prior to knowing Woodes is with the Spanish? Heck, more worried? It's not the Spanish forces that Max fears. It's Woodes. Now, why is Woodes the one that frightens her more than the Spanish, especially in relation to Eleanor? Well there was Berringer who accused her of treason, and obvioiusly her associates Featherstone and Idelle are with pirates. Without Eleanor there, she's fucked. She knows she can't truly manipulate Woodes the way she can Eleanor. She's the most influential council member and the council was willing to surrender the fort and Nassau for the cache. And it's quite clear that Woodes thought - fuck the cache, I'm not giving up on Nassau. Woodes with the Spanish fleet means that if Woodes acquires the cache, he's going to give it to the Spanish. And that is Max's issue right there. Max sees her chance to get a portion of the cache go up in smoke. Another oddity, more glaring than the timing of Max's worry and fear is that she leaves on 1 horse (not 2). And on top of that, she leaves with Rackham when Eleanor's not at the beach. She doesn't even make an effort to gallop 10 mins inland. It just doesn't add up. If truly all she was worried about was Eleanor's safety and life, as her gallop seems to imply (she leaves the fort's safety after all), then surely she wouldn't abandon Eleanor with a finger snap an hour later. Max got worried and galloped on the 1 horse to the beach where Eleanor was for one reason - to get the cache or a portion of it and leave. If she could convince Eleanor to abandon Woodes and leave with her that was an added bonus. But it was the cache she was after. What we believed Max's motivation to be on the surface just does not bare out at closer inspection. Woodes points out that Eleanor would not have turned the guns on him, not by herself. He suspects that somebody manipulated her into doing that, gave her the idea, and made her persist in it even when Woodes kept on sailing for the Fort in 4x05. Someone close to her. And that was not Hudson, but Max. Now, Eleanor certainly had her personal motivations - to free him from his debts so they could be a family together. And she was emotionally ready to be motivated to abandon Nassau and be satisfied with a life somewhere safe with him and their child. And Eleanor did conceive of the idea, before he arrived at the bay. But when Woodes first arrived at the bay and flew his banner, she was relieved and glad. Utley asked her whether to turn the guns on Nassau beach and she ok'd it. Eleanor at that point had let go of the back-up plan she was starting to develop just before his arrival. But then Max goes to her and reminds her what she's willing to do for Max. Max had already guilt tripped Eleanor into feeling sorry for all of it (even though most of the stuff wasn't even her fault, and Max actually shares responsibility in it too). Eleanor had already promised that she would do all she could to make up for Max's losses. And Eleanor looks truly disturbed and darkly at Max when Max reminds her of that promise. Next we see her propose the offer to Flint and Silver. Max had a major manipulative influence on Eleanor to go against her husband's evident plan, intentions and will. She drove a wedge between them for her own material gain, as she had driven a wedge between Anne and Rackham before. Woodes wonders whether Hudson and Eleanor had made a deal, with the manipulator having selfish goals. Hudson and Eleanor had a deal, but it was not a selfish one and Hudson would have done Eleanor's will anyway. She was an Eleanor x Woodes shipper anyway. The deal that we as yet still have to learn about is that Eleanor agreed to give her a portion of the cache (likely the amount of pearls Max would have gotten out of Silver in S1), and we'll learn of it next episode. So, she pushed Eleanor into executing the plan, when it was not workable anymore. She got her own promised material gain out of it. She didn't race out to save Eleanor, but to procure that gain, and try to get more out of it in the process, now that she could tell Eleanor who Woodes had chosen as military allies. But there's no Eleanor and so there's no cache. Going after Eleanor is pointless, even if Eleanor has the cache. Max knew she wouldn't get her hands on the cache anymore. And then there's Flint's 180° flip over the cache. Silver assumes that Flint was willing to surrender the cache for the fort, to spare the lives of men. That this was his main motivation for accepting Eleanor's deal. I think the 180° flip reveals that wasn't actually Flint's reason. Silver told Billy that Billy made him choose, while Flint never did. Hmm, didn't he? Flint was very much aware of Billy trying to come between Silver and him. He also knows Silver well enough that Silver doesn't appreciate to be pushed around to make a choice. I'd say that Flint's primary reason to accept Eleanor's offer was also out of self-interest. Flint knew that when he gave himself up as collateral, that Billy and others (like Madi) would try to reason and influence Silver over it all, and that Silver would try to preserve Flint's life. He could sit quitely, locked away, read a book, try perhaps to influence Eleanor's mind about Woodes, while everybody else outside would be arguing over "fuck Flint!" or "fuck Billy!". So, Flint did make Silver choose between him and Billy, and that without requiring one word. Only when the note comes to meet an escort at the south tunnel to fetch the cache at the other side of the island does Flint have a worried look for a moment. He considered it might be a trap, just as Eleanor did. But Flint is good at winging it, and somehow come on top out of it after all. At the very least, Eleanor could have become his hostage. Madi awaits him and that boosts his confidence. If Madi is with him, then Silver turned on Billy and he has the maroons, and this deal might actually come through. Yes, but what about the cache? Well, Eleanor still needed to get the cache out of the fort on a ship, a sloop, to sail for Port Royal. The Walrus was repaired and refitted. It's not much of a biggie for Flint and them to hunt Eleanor on her sloop with the cache on her way to Port Royal, after she surrendered the fort. Flint however did have a problem on his hand when he learned enough from Rackham that Woodes wasn't going to let go of Nassau, and there was no cache either (so he knew the MQ had not allowed to let the cache go). Eleanor was taking him back as a hostage to the fort. And with whatever Woodes returned, Flint either had to keep Eleanor out of the fort OR turn her to ally with him, so he could use the fort to put up a defense against whatever was coming. So, he begins his talk of "you were a pirate once" and later "well, Woodes would be behind this", and Eleanor is having none of it. This is one of those things I love about this show. There seem to be these 180° flips that make you go "duh"? But on closer inspection you get all these clues that there wasn't a 180° flip, and those clues are often said by other characters facing yet another character. Silver-Billy convo in 4x06 actually should make us wonder about his statement that Flint didn't make him choose, especially in light of his seeming 180° flip over the cache. Granny-Max convo about the cat in 4x07 and Woodes-Hudson confrontation should make us take a closer look at Max.
  7. This was a "slow" episode, an emo-episode to digest the fake loss of Madi and the devastating loss of Eleanor. But I needed this slower one. There has been happening so much, so much action, so much death, the story and the characters needed a reflection episode. It even managed to make me smile on 2 occasions - Jack Rackham doing Max's accent, and grandma Guthrie proving that wives doing needle-point is nothing to put down as identity abuse. You know where Eleanor got her strength from, right there. And it's been a while since we had an outright funny moment, since 4x02 when they made the "dinner" joke about the white bird. I also liked how they did Woodes' mourning process and finding out about the pregnancy. Trying to make sense of it, trying to blame someone else other than himself for it, and yet also trying to steer blame away from Eleanor despite she turned the guns on him, chased him off and wanted to surrender the fort. That was a nuanced, realistic, complex response to what happened. And then the puzzle pieces fit and he begins to hold himself accountable. And that was a 3x01 moment like Flint had with Miranda, when dead Eleanor faced him and one tear rolled down out of the corner of her eye. Choked up again over that. And I wanted to hit Mr. Soames in the face (like Woodes did last week) for not giving Woodes even just one damn minute alone. Billy Bones downstairs could have waited for one minute, no? And Woodes still trying to seek some answers regarding Eleanor's death with Madi, and offering emancipation for her people and other runaway slaves. I had less patience for Silver's mourning, because it was way too sentimental (I found Woodes' much less sentimental) martyrdom of someone I already figured it would be mourning a fake death. I would have liked a bit more time with Julius there. I'm liking him. In that sense I found Eleanor's martyrdom far more refreshing, especially because aside from Woodes and Mrs. Hudson nobody really cared. That's been Eleanor's curse. Everybody has been following Flint and he's going to save the pirate republic, wants to be a savior, and yet he hasn't saved anybody so far, except once. He always fails to save a brother or sister: saved Randal but the other pirate died instead beneath the kareened Walrus, failed to save Billy, failed to save Thomas (and Miranda had warned him to stop pursuing the pardons for her husband's safety sake), certainly didn't save Miranda, didn't save Charles Vane after he learned he was captured, didn't save Silver from drowning, failed to save Eleanor and Madi. And then we have this woman who saves quite a lot of people and never ever getting the credit for it. Max doesn't know that Eleanor came up with the plan to kill those 8 crewmembers and provided the means and fighters to help Anne with it. But Anne wouldn't have succeeded without Eleanor. Eleanor saved Abigail. Eleanor also saved Flint from being killed by Vane in that S2 fight mid-season. She saved Woodes by involving Hornigold regarding the attack of the Caravan. She saved Max from Berringer and the pirates. And by fighting with the Spaniard and setting him ablaze she saved Madi too. But Anne gets the credit for the 8 crewmembers. Flint and Miranda get the credit for Abigail. And she herself doesn't know that Madi managed to survive. And this is all very interesting, because 1x01 has a beheaded John the Baptist painting in Richard Guthrie's office (and that's not the sole beheading for a woman depicted), Richard Guthrie was crucified, and persisted in saving the stray cat. In a way Eleanor is the hidden, villified, despised savior, and she never complained about not getting any credit for it. I yet have to see Madi step up to that plate. I think Max's remark about "kill the cat" is a hint of her own end. I like the grandma Guthrie arc, but Max has a lot of blood on her hands that she washes off way too easily and shifts onto other characters entirely. Who here thought of Max when Woodes described someone close and manipulative to Eleanor msut have given her the idea to turn her guns onto him and surrender the fort? I certainly did. I think he's right. Max guilt tripped Eleanor over all that Max "lost" (which she stole from underneath Eleanor anyway) and how Eleanor and Woodes had ruined it all. She then supposedly wants to save Eleanor, but first chance she has to get on a ship, it doesn't matter all that much. I don't feel she's entitled to this revenge at all, just like she wasn't entitled to revenge on Eleanor in S2 either, because she chose to leave the safety of the guards in 1x02, blamed Eleanor for being gang-raped, and then chose to remain with her rapists. Heck, she even manipulated Eleanor into killing Vane. Eleanor: "Could you [the woman who claims to be the most powerful influence in the street] do anything about those pardoned pirates threatening to riot over Vane being shipped off?" Max: "No" (no way she would have said that straight to Woodes' face). "Soothe Nassau with a trial here." (yeah, and what good will that do?) and "make sure nobody suspects you have anything to do with it Eleanor." Ok, right, no way she's gonna succeed in that when the trial is held on the island and the execution also happens on the island. I don't want her to win! She's a Judas! False, petty and irresponsible is all she is. She's the cat who licked the milk. And well, we know we're heading into finale territory with everyone starting to turn on Flint: Woodes dividing Silver and Flint over the cache and Madi and the man has enough experience and Billy (who knows the landing spots) to expect the pirates to try and save Madi, Rackham and Max intent on taking out Flint, and Silver intends to do the same if Flint's plan doesn't work.
  8. Israel Hands was once Teach's second man that he ditched for Vane, and Rackham followed Vane like a puppy dog, so yes he knows who Hands is. And since Flint, Silver and Rackham had a meeting and helped onto the Walrus and Rogers' sloop with launches, Jack knows Israel Hands is with Silver.
  9. I've seen S1 of Peaky Blinders. Yes, I liked that. And at least S2 interest me, but yes, it would be good if that has only 3, 4 seasons max. And I saw the last 1.5 season of Ripper Street (with the actor who plays Benjen Stark) on BBC Entertaintment over Christmas period. Both seemed my taste. I watched some episodes of Musketeers, but somehow couldn't get into it. Nothing against period drama or period romance at all, but Outlander isn't my thing much. I prefer Poldark instead (so far). I'm just not fond of time-traveling, especially in that way much, or the repetitive life-peril, but by the end of the episode or the next they're safe again. No matter how I'm still sore over Eleanor's death, it's honest. Yes, she was saved a few times, but albeit in completely different situations and with different people in completely different arcs. There's variety in it. Vane protected her from Ned Low. She saved Abigail from the fort. Woodes saved her from being hanged and Blackbeard. She saved herself and others against the pirates (including Max). But she couldn't save herself (and Madi) from that creepy as fuck, stealthy Spaniard, and Max chose not to risk saving her after all when she had a chance to get on a ship. Although I can see that for its aim, the acting and the emotionality (of the story) and production is good. Just not my cup of tea. I should try Last Kingdom yes. Yes, me too. Rome didn't get to properly round it off. They probably intended to do 3 seasons, rather than 2, and I suspect it was intended to be some sort of prequel to I Claudius. Aside from Ciaran, Purefoy, and Stevenson, Tobias stood out for me as the tragic Brutus. But yeah, Rome didn't really became known until after it was canceled, but it was part of the forerunning productions that revolutionized TV series. It paved the way for high production TV series with full season storylines of multiple characters. They pushed storytelling TV into the forefront, rather than "we have Robin Hood busting up some bad knights every episode" (so, it's ok if you missed an epi). Before that storytelling TV rather than episode TV, storytelling was only done in min-series. I have no doubt really that Black Sails will get its recognition, after it's completed, and sets the bar higher for TV storytelling. The first episodes in S1 is hard to get into, and many viewers I think weren't entirely sure what the writer intention was, especially since "pirates" are tied to certain mythical TV expectations. BTW I recently read an interview with the writers where they said that they interpreted the "prequel to Treasure Island" concept like "Treasure Island was a fictional tale based on what went down in Black Sails", and thus Black Sails is a faux-history pretending to be the true story on which a spruced-up later Treasure Island is based. They sort of treat "historical facts" about the historical pirates and pirate hunters in the same way. That the facts are cleaned up versions of what really went down. The Blackbeard keelhauling fits that scheme: as in Maynard exaggerated the number of wounds and left out the actual reason why he needed to dump his body.
  10. Yes! Perfect way of putting it! I actually initially thought she looked somewhat like Keira Knightley (the pout) in S1, but she grew to have her own face ('kk-face completely gone in S2), and from S3 she had enough under her belt to act with her eyes in scenes where she was present, but hardly had a line for minutes and hand to stand there with her hands before a frock. I know many viewers considered her to have no acting material then, a prop next to Roberts. But I never felt it was any less her story, because you could surmise what Eleanor was thinking or feeling if you simply watched her. Basically they wrote Eleanor's character according to the abilities of the actress. Almost like a pouty brat who was free in movement and impulsive (that allows for over-acting) to a physically more restricted, subdued personality without losing her presence. That keel haul scene was superb acting - 10 minutes almost with just 3 lines. And Ray Stevenson had his face covered even most of the time. All he had was a shot of him grinning with all those prostethics on. That's actually another thing I like about this show, in its directing and writing - while they have plenty of dialogue scenes, they dare to go for "silent" scenes too, or where only one actor has dialogue, and the other(s) remains silent, and yet is/are not a prop, such as the Woodes-Flint scene on the beach where he rejects the pardon offer. What I find surprising is that Roberts is a bit of an unknown. I know plenty of BBC work of Stephens since the 90s where he has a male lead role. Luke Roberts' career was a to me unknown doctor series and in movies or series he started with fighting scenes (which is his background). He's trained in several historical sword fighting and uses that in combination with his acting to get sword fight roles, such as the Arthur Dayne gig for GoT. And where he had maybe just one scene in a series or a few scenes in a few episodes of high production series only 3 years ago. And then you have that keelhaul scene, and in respect to the Arthur Dayne role where I didn't care so much about the 2 swords wielding, he carried most of that scene with just his eyes visible through the slit of a helmet. Maybe that's how he managed to amp up the ability to act with the eyes - as a screen actor, having little dialogue in fighting scenes wearing a helmet. Anyway, this show is far too much underrated: good storytelling, great writing, great dialogues, great cinematography and great action scenes, love for the characterizations, the ability to kill off their darlings, and one of the few that gets better with every season. There aren't that many series around or that I remember where you have all that in one package. I can count them on one hand.
  11. Well, I thought so from the trailer originally before the season began to air. Now I'm not so sure. There's a picture out there of Jack sitting smug with his legs upon a desk or table and Featherstone at a window in what looks to be Max's old room in the brothel. So that appears to me he thinks he has Woodes by the balls. Still think he won't win that race though, not alive anyway.
  12. Yes, Stephens is sublime... an eye twitch, a softening in the eyes, the corner of his mouth... it's subtle and yet so readable and natural. Originally I wasn't so impressed with Hannah New's acting for the first season... but she came fresh out of her acting masters. And I found that from S3 she started to become really good in acting with her face in a manner that felt way way more natural, vulnerable, even when her character closed up and didn't want to reveal emotions, it was way better than the first 2 seasons. Pretty sure she had some mentoring from Stephens with whom she had to work quite a bit the first 2 seasons. It paid off in her fight for life scene in 4x06 and her death scene with Stephens. Not only was it visceral, but the fear against that Spaniard - sheesh that got to me. And then she was so small, so fragile in her death scene without overdoing it. Luke Roberts (Woodes) is another actor who can work magic with his face.
  13. No. But he can hurt him in the pocket, in contacting creditors and HMS navy to possibly arrest him for debt repyament failure or treason on the crown (dealing with the Spanish during war time). Eleanor thought she had something of value to put forward to her grandfather - national English hero Woodes and governor of Nassau - to acquire money to pay off the loans. Max will do the opposite. Heck, she might convince him to buy up all the debt and then tell Woodes - it's me you'll have to pay your debts to and that includes my governor. It's not gong to be a miliary move at all, but a financial and political one. I do think it will come at a personal cost for both Max and Jack though, as one is out for revenge, partly over her fucking chair (which she took from Eleanor in the first place) and Jack still believes he can win against civlisation and get in the history books, and still isn't choosing Anne and another life somewhere else. As for Woodes... pretty sure he already feels emotionally bankrupted. Nassau without Eleanor will mean little to him. Ending up in debtor's jail somewhere will be only the externalisation of how gutted he feels on the inside.
  14. Yes, it is likely she ends up in Roger's hands. I've been considering Billy as the one who got both of them out. Eleanor had to crawl a long ass way beyond that porch. Not sure she could have done that on her own still, the way she was bleeding, though there was a blood trail. Eleanor could have passed out though for a little while, from smoke inhalation and blood loss. I came to see Eleanor's characterization and partnerships and alliances sort of as Eleanor being a human characterization of Nassau itself. Her age matches. The pirates she did ally with (either as lover and protector or for business) would have been those that if Nassau had a personality and choice and voice would have partnered with for its own progress, protection, survival, but also would end up rejecting. If Nassau had a say and a personality it wouldn't have liked Blackbeard one bit, would have come to take a distance from Vane, but also not risk being harmed for Hornigold's pride to retake the fort, couldn't agree to Flint gunning it, would readily betray Vane when an alternative reconciliation with England beckoned, and want to see such a pirate dead as threatening progress, even if it meant killing part of its own past ties. And of course, historical Woodes is and remains a founding hero for Nassau (who actually repelled a Christmas coup attempt by rebels and repelled a Spanish invasion with the fort when they tried to attack Nassau via the interior) - the man who ended piracy for good and brought commerce to Nassau. So, then of course Woodes has to remain the hero, the one who loves her and do anything for her in her eyes. In that sense Eleanor's death stnads for the complete end of piracy at New Providence and Nassau. They tried to make it look hopeful at the end of this episde, but I'm betting that the alliance between Julius and Silver will sever next week. They just needed Julius to gather not just the slaves of New Providence, but a whole army of runaway slaves away from New Providence. Historically, under British rule after the end of the godlen piracy age, Nassau and New Providence became a refuge for runaway slaves from other islands, other colonies. They made them free citizens, and built a new Nassau melting pot with them. And I think that where Rogers failed in making a civlised Nassau with pardoned pirates, he will be one of the characters who helps a new alliance and Nassau rise from its ashes, together with Julius and imo Madi. While I do think she'll be Silver's wife, she's Eleanor's yougner "sister". So, then Madi is also a soul for the new Nassau. Regardless on how Madi survives, if she did survive, this event woudl have tremendous impact on her. Eleanor was the beautiful, older sister she looked up to, who was affected by the Rosario Raid and the loss of her "family" (mother, Madi and Maroon Queen). Madi now survived a similar raid, having lost the sister she began to reconnect with, who dreamed of love and just being safe and happy, and she is separated from Silver, Flint and the pirates. As is Billy who was cast out. Meanwhile Woodes lost the love of his life, completely failed in his first endeavour and knows he made it possible. He's in the position Flint was at the start of S3, except that Miranda was Flint's voice of non-capitulation of revenge, while Eleanor became the a beacon of hope and love and peace. And while I do think Woodes will end up in debtor's jail through Max's and Jack's contrivances, I also think he'll try to do something at some point to move towards the light, instead of going further down into hell. Yeah, I know. I'm still a mess over Eleanor's death. I'll need a couple of healing episodes to get over that.
  15. It's suggested that Madi died in the fire, but Eleanor managed to get out of Miranda's house. Personally, I think she managed to get Madi out of there. But someone, likely the Spanish, captured her. The Spanish killed the Europeans, but women of African descent or even men they could capture alive would be prizes as slaves. They couldn't put Europeans to work as slaves, so they are the deadliest against them. That's what Eleanor refers to imo when she says she tried to save Madi. They left a bit out of what happened. But yes, Silver has a wife of African descent with a tavern.